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04-01-2023, 05:49 AM | #1501 |
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Is there really a difference between rescuing civilians and other riders? Because buckles are not always given for civilians, and there were no indications that points would not be awarded for helping a rider. For an attack they are definitely selected, and the refusal to help in a dangerous situation is punishable by law. Maybe DGP is that strict too?
Plus, do not forget about the psychological part of the issue. Guilt over someone's death, even indirectly, is an ordeal for anyone who is not Asakura. I am sure that even the villain and criminal Morio would only be able to kill a person in the most extreme situation. Actually, that's why he didn't even try to resort to this path in the card mission. And given that death for the horseman is final, it is not surprising that most do not want to take on this responsibility. Quote:
For me, a character capable of both good and bad is an antihero. As for the vulnerability of riders... How could Neon know how reliable Keiwa's armor was and how powerful Chirami's bombs were? She saw an opportunity to complete the mission and took the risk. Moreover, Neon herself chose this path, accepting a possible fatal outcome (or not thinking about it, but this does not justify the act as a whole). Translated to a more realistic situation, it would be the same as if she directed Keiwa in the dark to a ravine without warning about it. He can get away with a bruise, or break his arm, or twist his neck. That in this fictional situation, that in the case of traps, Neon does not have the data to predict the outcome. And that's what makes her deceit worse and more dangerous than Ace with the Ninja Buckle. Because the Geats were in control. Moreover, he needed Keiwa to survive, otherwise he would not have received the desired buckle. And Neon risked someone else's life. Perhaps hoping that Keiwa would suffer enough to be expelled and then she would be the winner.
And the canon part of anything regarding DezaStar, be it how it's chosen, or earlier mission, etc. are all still unknown, so "choosing this path" argument is just still one of the theories, not something fully certain - there are another possibilities, like it can happen because of her family's connection (the argument for many people who assume she's the DezaStar before), or Chirami (or Kousei) assigns her as the DezaStar from the get go, or it can't be thrown to others and she must participate in the DGP as one, etc. Also seems certain that DezaStar missions or conditions are something that is not all fully known to her from the beginning, in her reaction when the latest card gives the condition of permanently losing her wish; considering that she'd disapprove of doing bad things in other circumstances, which makes Girori's manipulation of her and Keiwa backfire, the missions, perhaps what she knew at that time, would be something tame enough to do, or to technically do in bare minimum, compared to Foxhunt (the challenge is to not get exposed, something like provoking can be sus). By that, she was following the directions in such a way that she'd minimize harm to others while still technically performing the missions, thus she completes them but likely not in a way that the DGP hoped it would be; the DGP is entertainment that relies on angst and drama, thus later ones give the condition of permanently losing her wish to make her more desperate and give more conflict in DGP - it's unknown what's the consequences of not completing missions, but failure doesn't only mean losing by then. Quote:
But there is an obvious way out: ask Ace after the victory to return her memory by touching the ID-Core. That way she wouldn't lose herself and free herself from the shackles of the DGP. And unlike Keiva, her desire is quite feasible without the help of supernatural forces, she just needs to move out from her parents and start dating.
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Yes, when people from a burning house are saved by an invulnerable Superman, this is not heroism, but simply a good deed on his part. But the saved, of course, will be grateful to him. The same goes for charity. A millionaire can feed a lot of people, but heroism is when feeding another you yourself remain hungry. Actually, that's why almost all astronauts, even not famous ones, are honored, unlike the guys who remotely control the rovers. Which by no means makes their work less necessary or important, and it will also receive recognition, just a different, more professional and less pompous level. Because it's not heroism.
And I think reputation shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for morals, because it's entirely other people's reaction which is out of their control; people aren't less heroic due to for example, being hated by public - opposite of being honored/admired, like due to negative PR campaign (while for opposite, there can be villains who are well-liked by public due to hiding their true colors). Quote:
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04-01-2023, 06:37 AM | #1502 |
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Already said there for difference, bruh, Riders don't get reset after the end of DGP seasons unlike civilians. I don't know why you'd imply that helping Riders would also be awarded with points, seems like just outright making up to make the Riders in DGP look bad. Quote:
Also I don't know why murder seems to be viewed as the most pleasing and benefical thing for anyone, to make "not resorting to murder" as something to praise?
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Actually, in ep. 22, Tycoon has been hit by traps due to his carelessness multiple times even before she directed him to a trap, that can be likely an insurance for her to know that Tycoon would be fine - Na-Go watches at least the banana one which only consists of him being splat with water. And you're still deliberately ignoring the canon part of forced missions to assume that hoping that Keiwa would suffer enough to be expelled. If she really wanted to off the other Riders, she could've done it with the bombs like, throwing them on untransformed players (mere human), but eh, she only threw them once while protected, she does those to be considered as having completed the mission, not to put victory above all else.
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While perhaps her wish can be done without supernatural forces, I think that shouldn't be interpreted as solely only romantic love (which ep. 21 confirms). It's true that most of her issues really stem from her parents, but for moving out, she has tried where she has trackers placed on her belongings. And dating is also a part of her mom's control, who refused to let her socialize (particularly with people outside their circle), and she's in an arranged marriage setup so romantic love also puts her at odds with her mom. The lack of true love from her parents means that her life would be constantly made dysfunctional by them - like her mom deleting her videos, even if she regains her memories.
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The bolded one was what I meant regarding what I said before of "heroic requires them to suffer", as if they are forbidden to eat to be one here. It's ok for them to strategize and look for the most optimal way to improve everyone's state, or as much as they can (no, not "the needs of the many" type where you'd deliberately fuck up those unlucky few), including themselves - 'making everyone happy' phrase technically would mean themselves as well. Strategizing helps you become an effective hero and help people effectively, reckless self-sacrifice shouldn't be hailed as the only heroic way. Being generous doesn't mean bankrupt. The reason I brought up Tojo previously was that, he did nothing heroic in those sufferings he brought upon himself because, his actions brought nothing good to anyone.
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And I think reputation shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for morals, because it's entirely other people's reaction which is out of their control; people aren't less heroic due to for example, being hated by public - opposite of being honored/admired, like due to negative PR campaign (while for opposite, there can be villains who are well-liked by public due to hiding their true colors).
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People can be just plain wrong and not everything people on internet says have to be validated. There's a difference between fact and opinion. Keiwa not being MC is a fact as it's already stated that he's the "Rider No. 2" to Ace's "Rider No. 1". Those people don't know to differentiate between role and characterization (assuming Keiwa is the MC because he's the most similar to most previous MCs in character, but MC doesn't care about how is your character - main protagonists can be outright villains).
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04-07-2023, 01:56 PM | #1503 |
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I saw the Super Mario Bros movie and caught a Kamen Rider reference in it. Anybody else?
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04-08-2023, 09:57 PM | #1506 |
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You know what they never say? You can't keep a bad dad down.
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04-09-2023, 01:38 AM | #1507 |
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04-09-2023, 01:47 AM | #1508 |
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He is no longer Gord Drive, he is now Blonze Drive.
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04-09-2023, 06:40 AM | #1509 |
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TACHIBANA-SAN? WHY ARE YOU DRESSED AS YOUR OTHER SELF FROM FOURZE? IS IT TRUE THAT YOU'VE BETRAYED US?
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Tachibana-san?! Why are you researching rider cards?!
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