[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by Talisman

As I recall they were using them in an attempt to halt or destroy Axis, or at least break it up enough that it'd burn up upon re-entry. In any case, they functioned more like you'd expect a nuclear weapon to upon detonation, although google-fu points out that things like radiation, ballistic shockwaves, and EMP would be a moot point in space, the latter in particular seeing as Minovsky physics already cover that.

Still, they'd be one of the more outright powerful weapons available to a small unit like Londo Bell, which in and of itself is pretty horrifying. Though I suppose it'd be faster and easier to provide them with nuclear weapons than a fleet with firepower enough to actually eradicate a body of Axis' size.

Yeah, I remember most of them getting destroyed by Neo Zeon, and I think there were some fake nukes in there too.

I've heard people complain how the repair of Gryps 2 in Unicorn creates a giant plothole in Char's Counterattack of "Why didn't the federation use Gryps 2 to destroy Axis?" But I don't think Gryps 2 would have had the power to have destroyed Axis even if the federation had lined it up in time. We see stuff like Colony lasers destroy fleets of ships,but those are miniscule compared to the layers and layers of rock and renforcement Neo Zeon probably put into Axis

[SPLIT LIP]

Yeah, Industrial seven was weak enough to have its wall punctured by a MS meltdown, it wasn't especially robust like a giant ass solid rock would be.

Plus it was a static target, Axis was moving.

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Yeah, Industrial seven was weak enough to have its wall punctured by a MS meltdown, it wasn't especially robust like a giant ass solid rock would be.

Plus it was a static target, Axis was moving.

Also helps that the Neo Zeon was all conveniently gathered in one place, the Neo Zeong could have gotten eradicated in one shot if no one was able to stop it, and the Federation probably wanted to destroy proof of the box after everything.

[SPLIT LIP]

"Probably" nothing, that's the entire reason they wanted to destroy Industrial seven. The box hadn't yet been made public, they were going to eradicate everything.

[Powerman293]

So I finished the Origin manga last week. The final volume was great, and a good end to a great adaptation. This manga really sort of ignited a passion for 0079 era I never really thought I had, but now I am much more interested in the One Year War, the history of the Zabis, e.t.c.

The only real problems I had with the manga were two things, which both came from the last two volumes funny enough. The bigger one was that whole segment with Sayla getting captured by Zeon and the head guys keeping the grunts from raping her, and when she revealed she was Artesia, oh now they respect her. I know it's realistic for stuff like that to happen, but seriously, there were no women in that entire cout de tat group at all to protect her or say something? It was just kind of out of place and demeaning, and didn't really show Zeon in an equal light to the federation. Gundam has done a good job of showing both sides as equally just and evil in their desires and how they achieve them, but in the context of this manga, Zeon looks a lot worse then the Federation.

The other is Char blowing off Kycilia's head, leading to an asinine chain reaction blowing up the fearsome Dolos. Although that came from the original show, but the author not taking time to change the scenario like he did for a lot of others was weird to me.

The 3 sidestories at the back of the book were interesting. The two after the OYW were okay at best, but I took a very deep interest in the one set in 0057. Granted, the scenario seemed kinda contrived, but it was interesting to see even further into the past of what the relationship between the Zabis and Zeon Deikun was. Degwin being head of the Zeon academy prior to Dozle in the Origin was an extra tiny bit of lore that caught my eye, but the Zabis standing up for Deikun when the investigators came was the highlight for me. Also, seeing more Sasaro Zabi is always fun since he's never around.

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Right Stuf inadvertently confirmed Victory Gundam for a release this year?

[Yellow Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

So I finished the Origin manga last week. The final volume was great, and a good end to a great adaptation. This manga really sort of ignited a passion for 0079 era I never really thought I had, but now I am much more interested in the One Year War, the history of the Zabis, e.t.c.

The only real problems I had with the manga were two things, which both came from the last two volumes funny enough. The bigger one was that whole segment with Sayla getting captured by Zeon and the head guys keeping the grunts from raping her, and when she revealed she was Artesia, oh now they respect her. I know it's realistic for stuff like that to happen, but seriously, there were no women in that entire cout de tat group at all to protect her or say something? It was just kind of out of place and demeaning, and didn't really show Zeon in an equal light to the federation. Gundam has done a good job of showing both sides as equally just and evil in their desires and how they achieve them, but in the context of this manga, Zeon looks a lot worse then the Federation.

The other is Char blowing off Kycilia's head, leading to an asinine chain reaction blowing up the fearsome Dolos. Although that came from the original show, but the author not taking time to change the scenario like he did for a lot of others was weird to me.

The 3 sidestories at the back of the book were interesting. The two after the OYW were okay at best, but I took a very deep interest in the one set in 0057. Granted, the scenario seemed kinda contrived, but it was interesting to see even further into the past of what the relationship between the Zabis and Zeon Deikun was. Degwin being head of the Zeon academy prior to Dozle in the Origin was an extra tiny bit of lore that caught my eye, but the Zabis standing up for Deikun when the investigators came was the highlight for me. Also, seeing more Sasaro Zabi is always fun since he's never around.

...I wouldn't call portraying Zeon as Space Nazi Germany as portraying it as just...

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger

...I wouldn't call portraying Zeon as Space Nazi Germany as portraying it as just...

I see the parrallels but I don't think they're just Nazis in space. Okay, so Gihren is sort of like Hitler, zeonites say "Sieg Zeon" like "Heil Hitler", the Zabis kinda have that going on with how they dress, the spacenoids kinda have a superiority complex and maybe you could compare the quick work Zeon did early in the war to the "lightning combat" of the Germans.

The parrallels to me aren't just there for visual shorthand for "Look, evil people who are racist!" They take the parrallels and use it to make Zeon more distinct within its own world.

[Yellow Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

I see the parrallels but I don't think they're just Nazis in space. Okay, so Gihren is sort of like Hitler, zeonites say "Sieg Zeon" like "Heil Hitler", the Zabis kinda have that going on with how they dress, the spacenoids kinda have a superiority complex and maybe you could compare the quick work Zeon did early in the war to the "lightning combat" of the Germans.

The parrallels to me aren't just there for visual shorthand for "Look, evil people who are racist!" They take the parrallels and use it to make Zeon more distinct within its own world.

Tomino himself has said he based them off Nazi Germany*Char was inspired by the Red Baron,the colony gassings being based off Nazi gas chambers and the human experimentation* and that you weren't supposed to root for them. What he intended was for Zeon to have sympathetic characters to show not every soldier on the "wrong side" of a war is evil that most are just ordinary people.

Zeon itself being neutrally portrayed is just a fanon misconception Bandai's exploited to sell merchandise.

The only series that portrays Zeon and the Federation somewhat equally is 0083.

[Powerman293]

IBO 23

Well, this wasn't the beginning of an epic finale I thought it was going to be. Carta got herself saved.... again. By Galieo's fancy new Kimaris configuartion. How did all that water get inside of her cockpit though? And I wonder if she's in as bad of a state as Ein was given her being all bloodied up.

Though Ms. Merribit's concern over the kids getting so into revenge makes me wonder if it'll just end here or carry over to a season two. It's interesting, but I'll doubt she'll do anything about it considering there's two episodes left.

The most interesting thing about this episode was Ein. The mystery behind Ein's appearance makes me wonder if he's actually fused with this special Graze unit or that they're just waiting until next episode for the reveal of how many Alya-Vijana whiskers he has.