[Mesnick]

Well, I liked that Ikki was given the option to choose between flashbacks and Vice. Well, returning rescued civilians is also good. I liked the epilogues for everyone, except that the decision of Sakura to study specifically for medical studies had to be somehow justified earlier in the show. In general, I think at this rate we will someday get special rider-doctors (for the anniversary of Ex-Aid?). Also Olteku, what is being prepared for the role of the enemy for the crossover? Otherwise, it is not at all clear why to return it. The Geats cameo was ... normal. He didn't remind me of Tendo, but that's enough. Let's see what they show next week.

[Mesnick]

Summing up the show as a whole, the season is rather average. It began abruptly, was quickly blown away, then began to improve, but it was hard and stumbling at every step. I'll start with the pros:
+ Family. It is very unusual to see a protagonist with a complete family, which is also actively involved in the plot. In general, Revice picked up on a lot previously ignored by the franchise in a way that's perfect for an anniversary show, as it shows that Toei has something to show for the next 50 years;
+ Hiromi. The situation is so unusual that it is even unbelievable. In any case, it's amazing how a character doomed to die in the first episode managed to become an audience favorite, despite the fact that the show could easily do without him;
+ In general, I like all the positive characters and their interactions, even if they were given a little plot;
+ Really unexpected deaths. Impressive and added weight to the plot;
+ Additional content. Very diverse and for every taste, perhaps, I don’t remember such a variation of genres in any of the previous shows;
+ First dyno rider. Yes, the theme of dinosaurs is not disclosed, but this is another reason to return to it again.
Now I want to touch on the cons:
- The main one that everyone else follows: this is not a 50-episode story. Yes, many show riders suffer from this problem, and Kinoshita is also new to tokusatsu, but it's still worth mentioning;
- There is not a single memorable enemy. The Deadmen had potential, both collectively and individually, but they were quickly disposed of. Akaishi and Giff are boring, primitive and could not even pull out their characters with charisma. Two episodes of Juga I won't even count;
- In general, the show from all possible development paths has always chosen the least interesting, but really cool storylines either missed or cut down very much;
- The theme of demons is undeveloped, because there are no clear terms of the contract and rules for the interaction of a person and his demon;
- The theme of dinosaurs is forgotten and almost does not affect anything;
- The theme of the bath is also undisclosed. Okay, I'm joking here, but with the same success, Igarashi could run a restaurant or a hotel and nothing would have changed.
Overall, I liked the show rather than not. It's definitely not my least favorite riding season. He's probably the least favorite of the Reiwa era, but the sample is still too small. Plus, I'm sure I'll enjoy the additional post-show content more than Zero-One. Unless they plan to kill Daiji, Genta, Hiromi, Hana and Tamaki in the V-cinema and then introduce George to Evolt in a 10 minute special.

[GoldenXtreme]

Well, it is finally over. This is my third time watching a KR show live, after doing Ex-Aid and Build quite a few years ago. Revice is easily my least favorite show I watched live, but it wasn't entirely without merit.


Things I liked:

• The family theme was unique for Rider.
• Most of the suits were really great looking!
• A lot of the characters had at least one really strong moment.

Things I didn't like:

• The show had a hard time juggling its large cast, which resulted in even most of the more interesting characters simply not having enough focus.
• The pacing was all over the place, some plots overstayed their welcome by a long shot while others felt like they were being speedrun.
• I don't think Ikki really clicked with me as a protagonist.
• The cinematography of the show and the use of CGI often made for really busy and hard to parse fights.

If I had to sum up Revice in one word, I would say "inconsistent". I'd give it a D+. Maybe I'll come back to it eventually and binge watch it to see if I like it better that way. I think Kinoshita did a poor job with what was generally an exemplar concept for a show, but if he ever came back to write another I'd be interested to see how he would potentially improve. I'm pretty excited for Geats next week though, the protagonist's cameo at the end of Revice makes him seem like such a prick and I sort of love it.

[Matrixbeast]

I'm glad they didn't bitch out and come up with a manner of Vice surviving. Kudos.

Anyway, I don't really have too many positives about Revice. Between the overall weak plot, the characters that tended to get lost in the constant shuffle, and just a general air of annoyance, I'm quite glad the show is over. Their need to reach 50 episodes really was their downfall, since they barely had 30 episodes of plot, making them stretch things out, or in the case of Ikki's amnesia, just forget about it for large swaths at a time.

It wasn't all bad. The family dynamic was a nice touch, Hiromi is still a personal favorite character of mine, and I actually enjoyed Daiji's stint as a villain, but the overall experience was one of just disappointment. Vice refusing to let Ikki grow by constantly reinforcing his negative traits, and everyone around him telling him that "It's weird when you're not butting in, so keep doing it."

Characters feel wasted (Tamaki could've been the one to help rescue Hana, but nawh. Now she's annoyingly obsessive over Sakura for ship bait. Genta could've had a larger role, but instead he spent literally half the series indisposed. Literally everything involving Hikaru), and it's really rather clear that the writing team wasn't expecting so many characters to actually be relevant, so they just tossed their hands in the air.

Also, while Revice didn't lean on it as hard as others, but between this, Zenkaiger, and Donbrothers, I'm kind of sick of anniversary seasons

[Sh Ranger]

Okay, I like how after the jig was up, Ikki chose to fight Vice of his own will, since nobody else had the right to decide that for him. I would've preferred if the reveal was saved for the start of this episode though, to maintain a little suspense in the week interval. I like how their fight becomes progressively goofier, as they aren't fighting each other so much as they're fighting with each other. Vice was never a good fit for the final villain role, which I think should go to Juuga by default.

The fight scene shows something I've been hypothesizing about for a while, Vice using his Revice Driver to access other forms. However, I have to question how Revice are able to use two of the same Vistamp. I remember from the movie how Revi could change Vice's form separately from his own simply by stamping him with a different Vistamp and I wish they had utilized that ability more often in the show. One more thing I'll praise this episode for is the lack of a superfluous "Final Base Form" Vistamp. While I appreciate the spin Saber put on it, I'm glad that Revice didn't feel obliged by tradition or whatever to throw one in halfheartedly like Zero One did.

These last two episodes had basically no stakes due to everybody and the civilians being in on the jig and the two episodes before that was a conflict contained within the Rider faction, so there hasn't been anything seriously threatening since Gif and that kind of sucks. Even Vice dying, while I'll admit that it did pull on my emotions a little, doesn't feel like a permanent thing. It's hardly even a spoiler that he'll be back, since you can't have a Geats x Revice Movie War with only the front half of Revice. He'll probably just pop up like Parado from EX-Aid after reforming his body from the fragments of Ikki's memories.

Daiji and Hiromi have started BLUE BIRD, an organisation born from the ashes of the FENIX. That's clever and I think maybe it pays tribute to the Holy Wing Vistamp. Tamaki and Aguilera are working for them as atonement, while Olteca seems to have some kind of deal with George in exchanged for reduced prison time. Maybe this is George's way of trying to redeem Olteca, by showing him the love he was denied in childhood. A little sad that George is apparently the only one who'll visit him though, since Tamaki and Aguilera should at least give him the chance to reform, whenever his sentence ends.

As promised, now that there's enough entries to compare, here's my first ever Reiwa Rider Ranking:

1) Saber
2) Zero One
3) Revice

And how do I compare Revice to pre-Reiwa? Hard to say. Before coming back from my hiatus, I thought it was sure to take Gaim's position as my least favorite season. However, while it continued to be frustrating in a lot of the same ways, I think it managed to redeem itself a little. The final arc isn't even offensively bad, it's just meh with a few good moments.

Revice is definitely one of my least favorite seasons and that's why I have to put it at the bottom of Reiwa. Zero One's in a respectable second place with a fair mix of good and bad points. But Saber is the season that stands ALMIGHTY and Geats will have to try very hard to surpass it.

[Mmicb0b]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesnick

It's too early to judge yet, but I definitely don't see Tendo in him. He is too serious and purposeful. So far, I have more associations with serious and "cool" secondary riders, like Accel and Meteor. Tell me, was we ever the main someone similar.

Geats is going to be weird because the MC feels more like a secondary rider and Tycoon feels like a primary rider

[Mmicb0b]

anyways back to Revice for my 500th post(see what I did there)

+the Family theme and after countless shows that either kill off the family or don't mentiuon them at all (Even if I Have my problems with each of the Iragashi siblings as characters which I'll get too) it's nice to for once see that theme on the forefront
+Genta everytime he did ANYTHING it was gold
+the deadman trio+Vali
+The first 25 episodes

now onto the negatives
- Hideo Akashit imo the WORST villain this franchise has seen since Ghost not only was it blindingly obvious he was the bad guy when he debuted but he actively drags the show down because his plan is stupid and he only gets in advantageous situatiuons less because he did anything but because the good guys are idiots
- Daiji IGarashi honestly IDK WHAT THE HELL to make of him he's not terrible I would roast him for being an idiot but it genuinely feels like the writers didn't know what to do with him for most of the show then he turns into the main villain out of nowhere and then he get's the "I'm actually just misunderstood"
- Sakura Igarashi girl literally turns into the biggest mary sue ever whenever the plot demands it
- Giff I've NEVER SEEN a show more uninterested in it's supposed main villain than this show like his death just felt like another episode
- the decision to bring back Hiromi only for him to do nothing throughout the rest pof ths show I'm in a huge minority here but I feel like he shoudl've stayed dead after I don't remember if it was episode 20 or 21
- the biggest con of this series how many episodes are wasted on them making Vice seem as suspicious as they could when they obviously didn't know what to do

OVerall this show had IMO The inverse of Saber's problem Saber's first 10 episodes sucked and it takes until Elemental Dragon's debut for it to get good Revice is relaly good but once you get to the middle portion it falls off a cliff

[MKDremare]

Alright, let's get into my thoughts. Copying and pasting this from a comment I made on a r/Kamen Rider post:

The Characters:

- Ikki and Vice were good, but felt sidelined a lot to focus on side characters. They do make up for some of it by having some strong emotional moments, but overall could've benefited from having better focus. Which is unfortunate, since they're the protagonists and all.

- Daiji's character arc could've been done a lot better. Trim it down, change some aspects, anything. It kind of meandered for too long.

- Sakura kind of suffered from too much focus but remaining kind of static. Not to say that static characters are bad, but the amount of focus she could get kind of emphasized it. I still like her, but she could've had less focus.

- Hana and Tamaki were also good, but after their Deadmans stint, kind of didn't have much going on for either of them. I do like them, but I wish they had something better to do than what they got.

- Genta and Yukimi were great, and I felt like some of the strongest moments came from them. Especially the Destream and Crimson Vail fight, hands down one of the best fights there is.

- George was a fun, if inconsistent, character. I do think that they had something great with his strained relationship with his father, but that it could've used some more thought than what we got, especially with the whole 'sorry son but my demon was probably why you were kind of an ass earlier in the series' excuse.

- Hiromi has a great presence. At first I wasn't so sure of how I felt about him, but after a while and especially after he became Demons, I loved him. Glad we're getting a V-Cinema for him, I will buy the SHF of that inevitable Demons upgrade, even if it'll most likely be a retool (maybe of Destream or something).

- Hikaru isn't AS bad as some people think he is in my opinion, but he suffers the most from a lack of focus. He had some potential with the whole 'my family is fake but my love for them is real' angle, but it didn't get the time it needed.

- Olteca was the strongest villain we had, and I wish he hadn't been taken out in the middle of the series. Akaishi wasn't bad, per say, but I didn't enjoy him as much as I did with Olteca. I know that Olteca was the 'second in command' for Akaishi, but he had such a stronger presence than the latter.

- Giff was better off as a 'force of nature' antagonist rather than an 'active participant' antagonist. I wish they had kept him as just being some sort of 'power source' to use, make him more 'unearthly' in that he doesn't have a reason to do what he does, he just does, and there's no explanation for it, because he doesn't talk.

- Vail needed to do more. After he appeared he... was just kind of there as a menace. For someone so arguably important to the story, he didn't get the proper treatment that he needed. Especially Kamen Rider Vail, that suit only appeared ONCE in the show, and in a series of specials, and is just felt like a waste.

- With the cast as a whole, I like them a lot. I think they're all great, and that they did their best with what they got.

The Plot: The first arc was the strongest when the stakes were more personal, but when they started to become wider in scope, that's when it got weak. And whenever the plot returned to being personal, it got REAL strong, like with the Destream vs. Crimson Vail fight and the final 'fight' between Revi and Vice. I feel like if it had stayed close to keeping the conflicts personal, we would've had a greater and stronger show. The character moments are its greatest strength, while its outer threats are its greatest weakness. As is, with the flaws it has, it just goes to being average.

The Designs: I love all of the designs we got from the show. Even the ones that are hated like KR Revice and Over-Demons. The monster designs were great, too, even Giff and his pimp outfit (though his design definitely affected his fight scenes, and probably could've gone with a more fight-friendlier design).

Overall: I won't say that Revice is my favorite season, but that it still has some great stuff in it. I'd say that it'd just be worth watching scenes rather than entire episodes, since a great scene/moment might be dragged down by less great moments. I'd say... 3.5 out of 5/5.5 out of 10 for me.

I do think that people are being a bit too harsh, especially from what I've seen concerning what some fans have been saying to Kinoshita. People need to take a step back and relax from that, it's unnecessary.

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

I really enjoyed Revice, even during its weaker moments.


I think I just really like these characters.

[Dbenavidez]

goodbye Revice.