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02-07-2023, 02:21 AM | #561 |
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Primitive Dragon... man. Putting aside that Saber's suits unfortunately don't hit for me in general... while it did add some drama to why everyone still at Southern Base could have a reason not to trust Touma, my reaction to it was caught up in a wave of...
So, it's like when Emboar was Fire/Fighting, again. There's nothing wrong with Fire/Fighting, its actually a pretty cool typing, and Emboar in isolation is a cool pokemon! Nothing against Emboar itself! But getting it over and over again, back to back... at a certain point it became, aw geez, is this gonna happen every time now? Which is where I ended up with the Kamen Rider berserk arc, now that it reoccurs so frequently. There's definitely cool storytelling potential in that arc, but is that arc right for every story? ...Well! Guess you'll see what you think of how it fits into this one. ...I do think the grabbing hand gimmick on the book itself is pretty fun though. if only they didn't leave the back of the hand hollow... Oh and cute detail in this edition of Desast's walk with him mentioning all the secondary SoL trio's elements- wind, sound and earth. |
02-07-2023, 03:21 AM | #562 |
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Here, we get two debuts. The first is Keisuke Sohma, better known as Genta Umemori from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger (the guy Diend robbed of his robot squid). Here he does the voice of the Master and the guard who lures Touma to the forbidden book. That isn’t a coincidence or a budget saving measure. But needless to say, I will probably have a relevant actor joke meme down the line.
But our major debut this time is Primitive Dragon, which unusually, doesn’t get any of its three announcements played. And it was supposed to come out as a toy the week after this, but ended up being so delayed that the toy meant to trigger the sound being hacked in this video was out the next week. The great dragon from ancient times takes hold of the book’s power… Grasp it! This new power! I wanna get the force! I have to say that though someone pointed out it was stock music, I did like the ost for the form’s debut fight. Sadly, this and the next one are the only two of Saber’s TV forms (not counting the Wonder Rider forms) I don’t own the books for, but that hasn’t stopped me from looking out for one. And now, we close off with Primitive Dragon’s induction into the Berserker Form club. Last edited by Androzani84; 02-07-2023 at 04:53 AM.. |
02-07-2023, 09:53 AM | #563 |
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Is it, actually? I was going to bring that up, but I can't actually remember where that came from. I know I saw it a lot before the show actually started airing, but every official source I've seen since only ever refers to it as like, "the ancient script" or whatever. I've been under the impression it doesn't really have a particular name?
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Touma stopped him with a raised hand, and shook his head once. ?I know, I know. I?d feel the exact same way. I never want someone to see my early drafts. It?s just about getting things down on paper, and yet people act like it should be random drops of perfection, just waiting to be rearranged. They don?t get it. But she?s a good editor, and I think she just wanted me to give you a hand with it.? Quote:
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Here, we get two debuts. The first is Keisuke Sohma, better known as Genta Umemori from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger (the guy Diend robbed of his robot squid). Here he does the voice of the Master and the guard who lures Touma to the forbidden book. That isn?t a coincidence or a budget saving measure. But needless to say, I will probably have a relevant actor joke meme down the line.
Ever since watching the DX review for this, now I hear it as, "I want to get divorced.", which can be a joke headcanon for why Primitive Dragon is so mad.
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02-07-2023, 02:14 PM | #564 |
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Regarding the fanfic: to be honest, I was surprised by its subject, given that the review is almost entirely devoted to the Primitive Dragon. But I liked this surprise. Hopefully Daishinji's fanfiction will surface in the future. |
02-07-2023, 02:22 PM | #565 |
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I really think it's... a myth. That is, we did not have berserk forms between OOO and Build, there was no berserk in Zi-O, and in the new era we got two in a row. I just can't call what happened in Revice a berserk arc, even if it's officially called that. So it seems to me that just about every other trope I've seen is used in these shows more often as berserk arc.
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02-07-2023, 03:35 PM | #566 |
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A fine way of justifying it within show, its just that the specific plastic molding pattern of supports that shows takes me out of it by feeling too artificial. And the cluster of holes is kinda freaky to look at :P but to each their own.
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02-07-2023, 04:13 PM | #567 |
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I love berserk forms.
Berserk forms are wrong, which is such an interesting way to deconstruct and challenge our assumptions about a character, a show. It?s your steadfast, empathetic hero becoming a bottomless well of animalistic rage, or nihilistic destruction. The suits are severe instead of playful. The tone is Everything Has Gotten Worse. There?s no glory in this new power-up, just fear. |
02-07-2023, 04:23 PM | #568 |
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I'll save my thoughts on the Primitive Dragon arc till the end, because I don't want to accidentally spoil anything, but I agree that it's a highlight of Saber for a lot of reasons. The suit itself also might be my favourite of Touma's? Icy Blue, obviously angry, very PuToTyra as has already been said, I'm not 100% on what would beat it.
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02-07-2023, 06:39 PM | #569 |
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Been a bit...
But I'll just say one thing: I love this arc! It is exactly what all other Rider Wars were lacking for me, characters you want to succeed pitted against each other. These are all unmistakably heroes, maybe minus Ren, but their morals force them into conflict. And lastly, this is where I went from enjoying Touma to adoring him. The way he drags his beaten and bloodied ass to the battlefield to save a life. The determination, the fire, the sheer heroism is just impressive and feels so damn earned. It's true that it really displays Touma's heroism, but I'd say, the heroic part of Touma there is him being hellbent to help someone he doesn't really know in the Imoto sisters, and his vow to keep his promise. The determination part is something that only a means to the end, just like other assets that can be a help in doing good like power or intelligence. Villains can be the one who is determined too to reach their goals no matter what, like the extremely persistent ones who won't go down no matter what (similar to Touma dragging his ass to battlefield). Quote:
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It’s especially nice to have a berserk form debut at this point in the story, because it sort of accidentally proves the Sword of Logos’s alleged point? Touma had been on a hot streak, convincing wary Swordsmen to join his cause, and generally having all of his claims regarding Megid schemes to be accurate. The momentum had swung in his direction, and it seemed inevitable that we’d be left with only an anxious Rintaro and a deranged Ren to stand in the way of Touma’s ultimate victory over the forces of evil. Quote:
Until, basically, the Sword of Logos was right: Touma collects power too easily, and he doesn’t understand the consequences. He races ahead of Daishinji, he follows unknown dudes, he gets into a quarry fight with Storious that might’ve ended up killing him. Touma’s… he acts rashly, emotionally. He’s a guy that will never stop charging into a fight if he thinks it’ll help someone. But that same recklessness that all the heroes swooned over last episode becomes a critical flaw this time. He’s unlocked a power he can’t control, and it’s made him maybe a bigger threat than the Book Club or the SoL traitor combined.
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The rest of the episode was fun and solid, even if the middle third leaned real heavy on Pay Attention You Will Be Asked About This Later stuff. (Master Logos! The unnamed assistant! Why Storious was let into the vault!) It’s intriguing, but I’m not the viewer who’s going to try and connect a variety of dots. That’s not where my passion is with these shows.
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02-07-2023, 06:52 PM | #570 |
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Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Saber Episode 23
I really really really like Primitive Dragon. From the second I saw the suit, it was the Saber design I've been most often tempted to say is my singular most favorite, even though it'd be foolish of me to limit myself to one choice like that. (I really can't even pick just between Touma's suits.) I was excited for this episode ahead of time as a result, and it didn't disappoint. Which I guess I don't need to go into much detail with, because it seems like a whole lot of other people like Primitive Dragon as well. Just as good for me, because I'm so excited about this stretch of the show I feel like if I try and go into it right now, I'll end up spoiling something or another for Die without realizing. I'll say this much for now: the design of the Primitive Dragon book is actually even more genius than I thought it was in that old post. Outside of that one thing (that one very, very cool thing I'd love to talk about more), this is still a really fun episode, to a level where it's a bit of a bummer I can't help but reduce it to an "and also other things happened". It's the first episode since the initial two directed by Takayuki Shibasaki, the whole infiltration setup is neat, plenty of great character work with the Riders as usual... there's plenty to talk about here, it's just, man, it's so hard to compete with the impression that bone dragon Saber leaves.
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