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07-11-2013, 04:24 PM | #31 |
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I mean this: Look at W and Sieg, those two jokers have to akwardly cross their legs. They can't sit in a chair. Ryuki can. Ryuki is the boss of chairs. Figuarts with those stupid drop-down hips can't move their legs forward without the foot pointing out to the side. |
07-11-2013, 04:25 PM | #32 |
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I'm gonna be blunt but I don't really give a damn if my action figures can sit in hypothetical tiny chairs that I don't own.
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07-11-2013, 04:29 PM | #33 |
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The fact that they are unable to do a very basic pose is kind of important though considering the hype around the toys.
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07-11-2013, 04:30 PM | #34 |
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It has nothing to do with sitting in chairs. That's just the easiest way of explaining the problem. The problem is the drop-down hips offer terrible range of motion, and fuck up the sculpt since the legs move outward. Ryuki can sit, crouch, kneel, get in craz wide-legged stances, run, kick forward, etc. with his hips. W can do none of that because all those poses require the knee joint to remain facing forward as a knee is supposed to do. The knee can't face forward while the leg is moved forward because the sculpting forces you to swivel the thigh outward. Which wouldn't even be the problem itself were it not for the absence of any swivel above the knee itself. Quote:
Think fo it liek this: if Ryuki had the old hip joints, he would not be able to ride the Rideshooter. Plus there's also the simple fact of the old hips make posing unnatural and stupid, since if I want to move W's leg forward for a particular stance I have to swivel it out and then pull it down before moving forward. Ryuki? I just move the leg forward. No tricks, just a simple, non-moronic joint. Hell, the simple fact that they phased out the old drop-down hips is evidence that even Bandai saw how dumb they were. Plus, they're ugly as hell. Ryuki looks fine in any pose, but W looks like shit if he's in anything besides a straight-legged pose. I cannot believe that there are cases in Figuarts, the line touting itself as "the new standard" and that is so popular, so high-end and does so much, that lack fundamental articulation that even other examples in the line have and people are like "it's impossible." Then when said examples are offered for comparrison people then say "yeah well it's not important." What? Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 07-11-2013 at 04:41 PM.. |
07-11-2013, 04:48 PM | #35 |
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...Every single SHF I have can sit, kneel and look realistic. One important thing to remember is 1) It's a toy, there's going to be limitations until they work out new designs and concepts for articulation, so as such there will never be 100% accuracy on the poses they can pull off, sculpts, etc. 2) The Kamen Rider W Figuarts body is horribly fucking flawed in many ways, and 3) Not every person sits or kneels the same way.
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--- On-Topic: I really wasn't that impressed when I first saw the pics while getting ready for work, but now that I've seen that high resolution photo... Goddamn, Bandai. The crotch alone shows a level of dedication that is rarely seen in toy sculpts these days, and I adore it. I'll definately take a look at grabbing this guy in the future, and also a possible Black RX that has been rumored for... I want to say about a month now. I love the Black/RX Suit Designs a lot, but the aftermarket on the Figuarts has been nuts. Glad to see my frugality is paying off, somewhat. ...Now redo Agito, and don't pull that "We've decided to throw all of his accessories into the releases of four other toys" bullshit again. |
07-11-2013, 04:53 PM | #36 |
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I cannot believe that there are cases in Figuarts, the line touting itself as "the new standard" and that is so popular, so high-end and does so much, that lack fundamental articulation that even other examples in the line have and people are like "it's impossible." Then when said examples are offered for comparrison people then say "yeah well it's not important." What? Either Figuarts is a show accurate, high end figure line and thus we should expect more than your average Marvel Legends or it is 'just a toy', not show accurate but more a fairly standard figure line which is slightly overpriced but we should forgive the flaws of the limitation of a low to medium range set of figures, you can't just have your cake and eat it and decide when each aspect of the two sides of the coin applies to your argument at the time and then completely disregard the argument you were previously arguing for when it no longer applies to your side of the argument any more,
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07-11-2013, 04:54 PM | #37 |
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I'm also not sure why Double would have such a problem with a kneeling pose, but regrettably I own very few Figuarts right now, and most I do are from the Agito series, the majority of which use the Type 2 non-pulldown hips. I can't recall from personal experience how his legs and hips would prevent a pose, but with the lack of range in the torso, I wouldn't be surprised.
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07-11-2013, 04:57 PM | #38 |
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2/3rds of the Figuarts I own cannot pull of simple poses with the hips they have. Quote:
One important thing to remember is 1) It's a toy, there's going to be limitations until they work out new designs and concepts for articulation,
I mean, you guys keep saying shit that just falls apart in the face of evidence. I realise the hips are old and outdated, and I recognise that. What I'm contesting is people who ignore the glaring fucking flaws in that method of design. People who say it's "impossible" to have normal hips, even though Ryuki does, or that being able to move said hips in a logical way isn't important. Quote:
2) The Kamen Rider W Figuarts body is horribly fucking flawed in many ways,
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3) Not every person sits or kneels the same way.
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I really think you miiiiiight want to look at the majority of future Figuarts releases to realize just how off base you are.
Fuuuuuuck. Quote:
So that, maybe just for once, you can all undertsand this... I AM NOT BASING MY OPINION OF THE LINE OFF OF ANYTHING. I'm not doing that, I'm not saying Figuarts are... fuck I didn't even mention Figuarts overall. I just said the hips are stupid and that peopel saying they aren't are, well, wrong and posted evidence of why they're wrong. I'm not talking opinions, I'm not talking about what I like. I'm talking about facts. Cold hard "it cannot do that." I mean, are you people just not reading what I'm saying and just guessing what my posts say? I mean, it's actually extremely insulting that you people just assume what I'm saying. I like Figuarts, I plan to get more, I don't give a shit about the line overall. I am just saying those old hips are not effective and I don't want them on future releases. That means nothing more than it says. The simple fact that I recognise flaws on Figuarts does not mean I hate the line. It just means I'm not going to ignore obvious, crippling design flaws in it's older figures. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 07-11-2013 at 05:10 PM.. |
07-11-2013, 05:23 PM | #39 |
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So that, maybe just for once, you can all undertsand this...
I AM NOT BASING MY OPINION OF THE LINE OFF OF ANYTHING. I'm not doing that, I'm not saying Figuarts are... fuck I didn't even mention Figuarts overall. I just said the hips are stupid and that peopel saying they aren't are, well, wrong and posted evidence of why they're wrong. As far as fact is concerned, I would even gladly take pictures for you, but I am watching my two-year-old nephew. Being able to post at all was a chore, which is why the time between my posts was so far apart. I am offering nothing but my own factual observations in return. Calm down please. If you took offense to my "crazy" remark, it was in jest, and I apologize, but there is otherwise not as much hostility directed to you for your opinion as you seem to believe.
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07-11-2013, 05:47 PM | #40 |
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Looks like he can sit well to me.
Pics are from @TheReigner on twitter.
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