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05-23-2023, 08:10 PM | #351 |
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I think in this instance, there wasn't any damage done by keeping things a secret. It's a shame that the kids had to find out in this way, but it's not like knowing about their dad's past would've prevented anything from occurring. If Yukimi had knowingly withheld important information that her kids needed to save lives and/or protect themselves, that would be a thing worth blaming her for.
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05-24-2023, 03:43 AM | #352 |
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Hell yes.
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Right? It's really a stunner. And when you get the backstory, it totally makes sense why it's a more militarized, old-school style of suit. I hope it comes back soon! Without killing anyone I care about!
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05-24-2023, 04:51 PM | #354 |
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And the life support system gas mask aesthetic on the helmet with the asymmetrical design it has going for it is badass.
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Hoo boy! Lots to talk about...
Internet's been bad here lately and I've got some work coming up, so I'll speed through this as best I can. So Hiromi (Rider) kicked the bucket, which is funny since that wasn't a very convincing death scene to start out with. Like everyone else, I do like Hiromi, ever since Episode 1 where he tried to transform himself to fight the Deadmans, to how willing he was to be a hero he was willing to let the brand spanking new belt kill him or be killed in battle to fight against the enemies. That and Demons is just such a cool looking suit. Speaking of cool looking suits, we got Vail. Absolutely love the militaristic aesthetic tied in with his insect motif. That and he's voiced by Kenjiro Tsuda, what's not to love? Certainly the best villain in this show to me... Akashic... This guy who just walked in with a big neon sign reading "the villain" who's in charge of FENIX and talks to Gif, even making very suspicious comments at every opportunity. I do want to talk more about him at a later date, but for now, I can say, I don't like him, but I also see some genius in him. We have the Sakura/Aguilera thing going on, which is nice and all, but we're slowly but surely losing sight about what Revice was set up to be, which I'll talk about more later, but first... Jack Revice. I love this suit, it's nice and simple but has all the charm I love about Revi and Vice (mostly Vice) rolled up in one. Now again, the plots have this very weird sort of being too short, yet the ends are (mostly) satisfactory, to me at least. And the continuing Ikki vanishing from photos, that I kept being drawn towards over the revelations about Gif (you know, the big statue that everyone wants a piece of?). Olteca on the other hand, is absolutely my favorite villain of the show, as much as I was saying stuff about Vail, I just really enjoy Olteca being absolute scum. Put another way, Olteca has the charisma and atmosphere of a villain, while Vail is the most thematically appropriate villain to oppose our cast. Sure, I give a lot of credit to Kagerou for making Daichi an interesting character on his own, but then again, I always liked his sense of justice and duty to protecting the world. Oh yeah, then there's Weekend... Definitely thought they would be our new bad guys given how FENIX seemed just about as obvious as them, and the Deadmans thoroughly lost Big Daddy Gif. And of course, the man in the mask is already giving off villain vibes, but for some reason, I kind of thought more to Mirage (was that her name?) from W. But anyway, we're now getting into the meat of Revice, and that's going to be something... And meanwhile, I've still not seen the Mystery or Beyond Generations Movie (except that Century is a beautiful suit and Promise is a beautiful song), but at least the little stuff Androzani throws in here have been entertaining, thank you for sharing!
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Olteca on the other hand, is absolutely my favorite villain of the show, as much as I was saying stuff about Vail, I just really enjoy Olteca being absolute scum. Put another way, Olteca has the charisma and atmosphere of a villain, while Vail is the most thematically appropriate villain to oppose our cast.
Agreed! Androzani's skits are a delight!
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05-24-2023, 11:26 PM | #357 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 28 - “CONQUERING FEAR AT LIGHTNING SPEED! BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AS ONE MIND, ONE BODY!”
Much like George’s extreme mad sciencing, this storyline could only end in abject failure or resounding success. (I love that he’s created a device that will kill 1-2 of the two people he’s trying to save, but also maybe none of them? I very much enjoy his commitment to insanity in the vague direction of science!) The show pushed all its chips in on Thunder Gale, and the result was bound to be either a huge blow to Revice’s fortunes, or the move that would get the show back on track. For me, I thought it was an exceptionally accomplished installment. Setting the bulk of the episode inside Ikki’s head was the best choice. There’s a moodiness that helps ground the stakes of the episode: Giff and the Deadmans and Vail, they're all encroaching on safe spaces, warping comforting bonds. The Deadmans bathing at Happy Spa, or Veil wearing Genta’s face at the Giffamilia’s nightclub-church-spaceship – it’s all things Ikki cares about, inverted into anxiety and tension. He’s trying to salvage his identity, and everything around him is telling him that he’s living a lie. He wants to be a good son, and a monster wearing his father’s face is tempting him to give up. He wants to protect his home, but it’s already infested with monsters. He’s beset on all sides by temptation and failure. But it doesn’t work. Not even for a second. It doesn’t work because Ikki being under attack is the least viable way of defeating Ikki psychologically. Ikki doesn’t care about his own well-being or happiness, he only cares about other people. Specifically, he’s fighting this battle in his head because that’s where Vice is, and Vice needs to be rescued. It’s a really beautiful next step on this journey Ikki and Vice are on – from bickering teammates, to grudging partners, to brothers, to each other’s guardians. It’s a role we’ve not really seen Ikki in before with Vice, which is what made the episode so special. We’ve gotten a whole bunch of stories about Ikki realizing that Vice cares for him, and some backstory that establishes how far back their union started, but this is maybe the first episode where Ikki lays it all on the line to save Vice from servitude to Giff. It’s an acknowledgement that Ikki owes Vice, in a real and tangible way, and it’s time for Ikki to fight for his friend. I liked it a lot, that whole sequence. It makes this story about self-acceptance so clear and direct; Ikki looking at this weird part of himself and fighting for it to exist, when the world would either corrupt it or revile it. It’s so vulnerable and corny, with the scenes from previous episodes layered over the tearful vow from Ikki to Vice. To go from that to the rousing debut of maybe my favorite suit yet? I couldn’t ask for a better conclusion to this arc. Thunder Gale! So pretty, that suit. I like the way the pastels completely overtake the black and gray of Jack Revice, the new tomorrow of Revice creating a palette that Revi or Vice couldn’t access, even in tandem. They’re no longer teammates, or partners, or even family. They’re one hero, the end. And they aren’t even the only new hero for this episode! George decides to Henshin and make the wiki entry for Kamen Rider Demons even more complicated, soon to rival Kamen Rider Faiz for lengthy lists of onscreen identities. It’s fine, in as much as it was inevitable. You can’t be a fit young man on one of these shows and not eventually, uh, shout DADDY and then turn into a superhero. It’s not out of place in this episode of people drawing a line in the sand and dedicating themselves to a fight (or not, in the case of Aguilera), but it’s not really where the weight of this episode is directed. It’s a story about Ikki and Vice removing the barriers between them and uniting to defeat Olteca and Giff, which they… mostly do? Olteca’s devoured by Giff, which is the best counterpoint to Ikki and Vice’s triumph of unity as I can think of, at which point Giff bursts from his cocoon and launches into orbit, never to be seen until a few episodes from now probably once Hiromi comes back and Aguilera becomes a Kamen Rider. Wild guess! For now, the point is to give Revice a clean, decisive win, and lay out the storylines for the show to address outside the pressure of All The Demons Are Going Crazy. What we’re shown is a bit of a mixed bag, as far as my interest is concerned. A bummer to see Genta/Junpei “in hiding”, but I think it creates a nice cloud over the Igarashi household, dramatically. There’s this absence now, and that’s maybe worth more than Genta looking sheepish and worried in the living room. Meanwhile, Sakura’s thrown in with Weekend, and Daiji’s thrown in with Fenix; two decisions that I’m sure no one’s going to immediately regret. But they’re young! Let them make dumb, idealistic decisions! I’m willing to believe in them, just this little bit. Because, boy, this show can absolutely nail a story when it puts its mind to it. Very happy with how this one came out!
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05-25-2023, 02:46 AM | #358 |
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So since everyone loves to repeat the inaccurate version of the “Hiromi was supposed to die in episode 1’s draft script” (as I said when I first shared it, he was supposed to die in the OUTLINE for episode 1), here’s another death fact. Aguilera was supposed to die in this episode, consumed by Giff. It’s kind of obvious in the finished episode, given that after Giff reacts to her pleas like she made tasteless jokes about his sick wife on stage, all she gets are a few scenes with Tamaki that look like they were added in post-production, and the only acknowledgment she gets from anyone else is Sakura calling her name, which could easily have been for an impromptu mourning session.
And yes, I do love Revice the suit (strange that we”re only introducing the lead Rider 28 episodes). I’ve never really understood the vitriol towards it. If someone’s going to say it looks gaudy… do you even Revice? The guy has bright blue and pink as his main colours, and his second upgrade suit has fire painted onto it. That just leaves one person out of the upgrade party. Ikki: It’s Ikki’s… Vice: And Vice’s… Both: Stamp Navi! Ikki: We’re finally back to normal, after what seems like forever. Vice: So to celebrate, let’s get on with looking at today’s Vistamp. Thunder Gale! Together as one! Do you think it’s cozy? Super cool! A new style like a thunderstorm! Kamen Rider Revice! George: Wonderful! It's Kamen Rider Revice, where humans and demons are subject to a sparking rebirth! By the power of the Thunder Gale Vistamp, the super flashy blow that is violently, quickly, and from the stormy demeanour is exactly the wind and lightning! Marvellous & Sensational!! It is no longer an exaggeration to say that it is the complete form of the Revice system. (Enter Den-O) Den-O: So, you guys managed to finally combine as one. I’m proud of ya. Tell me, do you take over his mind? Vice: Um, no. That was kind of the last one. (Enter W Xtreme) W: (Phillip) Do you sit back and provide tactical advice for your partner to use in battle? Vice: Well, I’m not really a helpful guy at the best of times… (Enter Zi-O Trinity) Zi-O Trinity: (Sougo) Do you guys take it turns being in control then? Geiz! Zi-O Trinity: (Geiz) You say that like you actually give us an opportunity to take over most of the time. Tsukuyomi! Zi-O Trinity: (Tsukuyomi) Confused by my presence here? Find someone to translate the Zi-O Novel by Kento Shimoyama-sensei. Out now in every good Japanese bookstore. Ikki: Will everyone stop bombarding us? Can’t we figure out our partnership fusion on our own terms? (Enter Leangle) Leangle: At least you guys have a partnership. (The Spider Undead’s laughter can be heard) W: (Shotaro) Awkward. George: Anyway, I’d like to announce that we won’t be doing this segment for the next episode, since we don’t have a Vistamp lined up to talk about. So all we can say is, see you next time. |
05-25-2023, 07:44 AM | #359 |
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Looking at Holy Live now had all that green been red and certain parts were black the first thing I would've thought would be karasu tengu. Must be the chest armor and boots.
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 28 - “CONQUERING FEAR AT LIGHTNING SPEED! BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AS ONE MIND, ONE BODY!”
Setting the bulk of the episode inside Ikki’s head was the best choice. There’s a moodiness that helps ground the stakes of the episode: Giff and the Deadmans and Vail, they're all encroaching on safe spaces, warping comforting bonds. The Deadmans bathing at Happy Spa, or Veil wearing Genta’s face at the Giffamilia’s nightclub-church-spaceship – it’s all things Ikki cares about, inverted into anxiety and tension. He’s trying to salvage his identity, and everything around him is telling him that he’s living a lie. He wants to be a good son, and a monster wearing his father’s face is tempting him to give up. He wants to protect his home, but it’s already infested with monsters. He’s beset on all sides by temptation and failure.
However, I lost faith of how Revice would handle them (partially the reason Olteca may better stay), given their current track record of them like Kagerou before, and including Ikki fighting himself in this episode if Vice can qualify here (more on that below). Vail was the twist that is done really well before, and actually had him being more fleshed out with good build up using Hiromi and is well-written regarding his conflict with the Igarashis, compared to the others, and so far I only saw Vail as the real potential of being a compelling antagonist (and there's also a setup for Genta, him recovering all of his memories with Buu-san helping him as well as temporarily leaving his family). Quote:
But it doesn’t work. Not even for a second.
It doesn’t work because Ikki being under attack is the least viable way of defeating Ikki psychologically. Ikki doesn’t care about his own well-being or happiness, he only cares about other people. Specifically, he’s fighting this battle in his head because that’s where Vice is, and Vice needs to be rescued. It’s a really beautiful next step on this journey Ikki and Vice are on – from bickering teammates, to grudging partners, to brothers, to each other’s guardians. It’s a role we’ve not really seen Ikki in before with Vice, which is what made the episode so special. We’ve gotten a whole bunch of stories about Ikki realizing that Vice cares for him, and some backstory that establishes how far back their union started, but this is maybe the first episode where Ikki lays it all on the line to save Vice from servitude to Giff. It’s an acknowledgement that Ikki owes Vice, in a real and tangible way, and it’s time for Ikki to fight for his friend. I liked it a lot, that whole sequence. It makes this story about self-acceptance so clear and direct; Ikki looking at this weird part of himself and fighting for it to exist, when the world would either corrupt it or revile it. It’s so vulnerable and corny, with the scenes from previous episodes layered over the tearful vow from Ikki to Vice. To go from that to the rousing debut of maybe my favorite suit yet? I couldn’t ask for a better conclusion to this arc. Like I said above, as a yandere for Genta, Vail's threat to Ikki is done well and is more than just both fighting it out, as he knows there are more of someone he can target with, Vail tried to mind rape Ikki to crush his hopes that his family can be normal and happy, due to how all of them are devils too (of which it's used against Olteca instead), and tried to convince him to leave the family instead. Of course, this won't work as he.. Vailed to notice what does Ikki actually want, he had made himself suffer constantly before (y'know, like ep. 2 to let himself die when Vice won't comply for instant), thus his persuasion doesn't work albeit Vail is still confident of his power to dispose the Igarashis, which kinda reminds me of Gaim too in Redyue (who also uses illusions for that) trying and failing to convince Kouta to give up saving people due to how he's going to be hated, but not being hated isn't really what Kouta aims thus it failed. The second one being Ikki fighting Vice within himself, of which Vice gains Ikki's head too. Outside of Vice looking more silly as Ikki like a cheap cosplay, the quality of the writing here isn't better either. There's Vice beating Ikki up physically, but then it's merely about Ikki remembering the time he and Vice spent, and declaring to be Vice's protector, then then fighting back by slashing Vice. And... that's it. It's significantly more flat of a conflict as well as the resolution, compared to the previous Ikki and Vice interactions. What are Vice's thoughts and feelings there? What's in his mind as he beats Ikki up there despite that they're buddies since ep. 13? Even what's the explanation between Vice now having Ikki's head, despite that Vice is recognized as another Ikki even before literally having same head? And as no way Vice was killed after Ikki slashed him (but it's the moment that had Ikki back as Revice), also what causes Vice to stop his beating of Ikki there and make up with him for the eponymous Revice's debut? I guess this is a prime example (at least to me) of how a tokusatsu won't be complete with the suits or fighting alone, the mere surface, but the characters and stories matter more instead of people fighting in silly colorful costumes, of which the Ikki and Vice conflict here is about the fighting only mostly (and not that much of it too), albeit the character part is highlighted one-sidedly in Ikki, but still won't be enough with his monologue alone. Quote:
Thunder Gale! So pretty, that suit. I like the way the pastels completely overtake the black and gray of Jack Revice, the new tomorrow of Revice creating a palette that Revi or Vice couldn’t access, even in tandem. They’re no longer teammates, or partners, or even family. They’re one hero, the end.
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And they aren’t even the only new hero for this episode! George decides to Henshin and make the wiki entry for Kamen Rider Demons even more complicated, soon to rival Kamen Rider Faiz for lengthy lists of onscreen identities. It’s fine, in as much as it was inevitable. You can’t be a fit young man on one of these shows and not eventually, uh, shout DADDY and then turn into a superhero. It’s not out of place in this episode of people drawing a line in the sand and dedicating themselves to a fight (or not, in the case of Aguilera), but it’s not really where the weight of this episode is directed.
He had some resemblance to Kuroto before in praising himself or being petty (either conflict to Vice or reaction to outside ViStamp presence), but regarding his father, it's not like Kuroto at all, who framed Masamune for his own benefit. He even learns from Hiromi too, whose Kamen Rider ideals he previously mocked despite being a KR fanboy, to believe more and take action, as being a bystander who just talks big, especially for someone as capable as George (not an average joe who only can be a bystander) would be a waste, more than mocking Hiromi's tenacity to keep fighting as futile. It's likely time for him to finally grasp the true spirit of Kamen Rider franchise, instead of being a superficial KR fanboy; only liking the violence, suit design, and powers, but his actions before being the opposite of KR spirit, manipulating others for his own goal as well as pursuing power without considering morality. While his alignment may change for good here, he was never an average scientist like he claims, with how he works out and holding his own to Olteca, and it's used to a great effect here, with him using Demons spectacularly, using tricks like webbing Jack Revice around (being the one to resemble Spider-Man the most in fighting), as well as cause physical damage to Olteca (before he regenerates), only being stopped by his Driver's limit. George may've been impressive against Olteca, but don't know if it's actually Olteca's Phase 4 form (or hell, Giff) being less impressive than what's expected too. It's definitely stronger than Demons with triple Genomix though, as how it beats Holy Live who beats said Demons before. While Olteca does have Giff's regeneration as well as him boasting about it, it may also seem that Olteca had mediocre durability to have attacks from any others including Jeanne cause damage (also parts falling off from Holy Live) to show off the regeneration. Though to be honest, I don't think that Olteca's debut as Demons before had really impressive showings either albeit his Demons is clearly stronger, unless they purposely wanted to make Olteca not much above the heroes with them still being able to push around and fight him off for a bit. Either of Olteca's debut as the bigger fish (Demons, Anomalocaris) wasn't as impressive as the likes of Ark's debut or something. Quote:
It’s a story about Ikki and Vice removing the barriers between them and uniting to defeat Olteca and Giff, which they… mostly do? Olteca’s devoured by Giff, which is the best counterpoint to Ikki and Vice’s triumph of unity as I can think of, at which point Giff bursts from his cocoon and launches into orbit, never to be seen until a few episodes from now probably once Hiromi comes back and Aguilera becomes a Kamen Rider. Wild guess! For now, the point is to give Revice a clean, decisive win, and lay out the storylines for the show to address outside the pressure of All The Demons Are Going Crazy.
Otherwise, so my theory previously about Olteca's end being near, like someone such as Sid in Gaim, is actually true. He's only a main antagonist wannabe overall. Just that previous irredeemable villains that are wannabes too like Asakura (who also held a kid at gunpoint) or Kitazaki got their demise at the end of the series instead of middle, which leaves me thinking if Olteca's death happened too fast, if there are still more things they can explore regarding him, like his ambiguous nature if he's human or not (in how Vail smells him, or if Vail refers to his sociopathic nature), or also the Deadman trio's feelings (not mourning, mind you) of what their former ally has become/crossed especially Aguilera's decision to team up with him again (or that's saved for next ones). Granted though, Olteca's threat has diminished lately with his threat depending on what Vail does (leaving or returning), and then Demons with triple Genomixes being overwhelmed by Holy Live, and despite being the first to reach Phase 4 in Anomalocaris Deadman, at the end of the day, he's only a mere human after he's separated from Giff, so it's plausible to assume he's dying soon. Other than that it's great though that they don't redeem Olteca, keeping him being the worst that he is until his death, and his death too was a karmic one, he spent his time sacrificing a bunch of people for his own benefits, then he ended up becoming the final sacrifice for Giff, w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶'̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶S̶c̶i̶s̶s̶o̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶O̶u̶j̶a̶,̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶R̶y̶u̶k̶i̶.
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