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08-15-2022, 08:52 PM | #811 |
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Is this the episode where Ark impatiently taps his fingers waiting for the MCH jingle/aibo dance to end? That was a super funny couple of seconds
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08-15-2022, 10:44 PM | #812 |
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I'm just sitting here feeling bad for Ikazuchi, man.
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I'm really glad you're enjoying Ark as a villain. A lot of people consider him like a bland guy, but I really enjoyed him as the new big bad. And he definitely has a good balance of "Yeah the heroes can defeat him but he's still a legitimate threat". We see that perfectly in this episode where he's caught off guard with Thouser's arrival and has to rework his plans even if it's just slightly and then manages to pull the biggest win in the series with him fully taking over Zea at the end.
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That being said, yeah! They handle Gai's turn around surprisingly well, while the lead up to it might have felt rushed, the one thing I thought they were smart to do was have everyone not automatically forgive him. They'll work with him, they'll agree to his help, but they're not going to wholly forgive him and be buddy buddy with him like nothing's ever happened.
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08-15-2022, 10:57 PM | #813 |
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It's not that we as the audience should just instantly forgive Gai, but rather acknowledge the root of his psychology and see that he is genuine in his attempts to make amends. Because that's the thing: Yes, people can change and turn around for the better, but only if they actually desire to do so. I felt that Zero-One really nailed it in terms of showcasing this idea. Redemption is very rarely instant; It's alot of hard work!
Gai says that he's the embodiment of Grampa Hiden's dreams, but he's also the embodiment of Aruto's hopes. I... sort of think that is not going help Aruto sleep at night. Quote:
I'm really glad you're enjoying Ark as a villain. A lot of people consider him like a bland guy, but I really enjoyed him as the new big bad. And he definitely has a good balance of "Yeah the heroes can defeat him but he's still a legitimate threat". We see that perfectly in this episode where he's caught off guard with Thouser's arrival and has to rework his plans even if it's just slightly and then manages to pull the biggest win in the series with him fully taking over Zea at the end.
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I'm with you on that! Excellent comedy from the usually humorless Ark.
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08-15-2022, 11:04 PM | #814 |
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08-15-2022, 11:05 PM | #815 |
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I love that no one[/I] absolutely forgave Gai. I saw a lot of people back then (and still now) that everyone forgave Gai and that was that. No one here forgave him, they just went along and tolerated him, because as much of a bastard he was, he is still very much useful on their side against the Ark. And they handled it well, too, he doesn't just become part of the cast neatly like some redemptions are, no, there is a certain are of awkwardness around him now acting like this because it's so unlike him! And Gai doesn't lament this either, he says sorry and will actually act on it to do better next time. And now for Raiden, sigh Raiden. I just wish he was utilized as a character better and wasn't killed off during his first appearance. I actually had his SHF, but I sold it recently since I figured he was just taking up space and liking the suit just wasn't enough to keep it around. |
08-16-2022, 12:24 AM | #816 |
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No one here forgave him, they just went along and tolerated him, because as much of a bastard he was, he is still very much useful on their side against the Ark. And they handled it well, too, he doesn't just become part of the cast neatly like some redemptions are, no, there is a certain are of awkwardness around him now acting like this because it's so unlike him! And Gai doesn't lament this either, he says sorry and will actually act on it to do better next time.
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08-16-2022, 01:18 AM | #817 |
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I do enjoy most of the fighting in these shows, but when a lot of these fights are just 'character shows up to fight Ark, gets beaten up, and has to give up' it's almost getting boring. I get that the Ark is supposed to be a major threat, but with how much they have to rush due to Covid, I'd wish they would cut down on these scenes, since I don't feel it's necessary to have 3 episodes in a row where the Ark just shows off his strength, or at least that they would have these fights offscreen so that we could just know that the heroes lost without a 3 minute scene of them hopelessly fighting, though I'm probably in the minority here who thinks that.
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08-16-2022, 02:55 AM | #818 |
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Not much to say this time, so I’ll share two production facts.
Aruto’s actor did the stunt where he got thrown through the air himself, despite being scared of heights. This was the last episode to be completed before COVID hit. From here on in, the writers had to truncate their plans significantly (Takahashi has gone on record saying it would’ve just been a retread of Ex-Aid, with Aruto slowly getting all the secondary villains redeemed to join him in fighting the Ark if they’d had the full 51 episodes they’d planned for). |
08-16-2022, 08:34 AM | #819 |
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And I might as well get this out of the way now(even if it's early) but that really how I feel about Zero-One as whole I'm not sure where it falls for me. It not the worst thing in the world but I don't love it either. I wish I loved it because I see so many people both on here and other places love it so much. And I'm honestly jealous that I can't feel the same. And maybe that's my biggest dissapointment? Myself for not feeling the same as the others. That maybe I'm just not seeing what others are seeing? The only other time I commented was when we where reccomending Ultraman and really hating on Episode 27. So I want end things on a positive note and balance that previous post negativity I'll echo what everyone is saying and I'd loved entire Zero-One/Thouser vs. Ark-Zero fight(in general this show has great choreography) and loved the cast reaction to Gai "redemption"
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08-16-2022, 11:04 AM | #820 |
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Okay so ep 39... If I'm being frank, it wasn't as good as ep 38 was but it was much better than ep 37 for its plot progression and some of its characters' moments. The best part of this episode hands down for how they handled Gai post-redemption. Obviously it's understandable and an imperative for ANYONE not to immediately forgive Gai for all of his sins. But the cute part of this was how the show used Thouser dog as Gai's chain in morality and behavior. The scene where Gai apologized to Fuwa and Yua were alright but it was Thouser, who made puppy eyes to Gai, skyrocketed the scene into nebulous. Like obviously Gai bowed in apologize for them but Thouser insisted Gai to make a 'dogeza'. That's just... I really can't speak too much about it. That's almost he same amount of hilarity and craziness, like when Shouichi challenged Hikawa in a tennis with a frypan. Even everyone on Aims were having trouble focusing because Gai was playing with Thouser in the background. Like Die said, if this was solely an episode of Gai's tour for apology, I would not complain at all.
My biggest gripe in this episode was, unlike Die, I think the show or Takahashi made a slight weird step that lower my expectation for the Ark's calculation. I do like that Ark had some predictions about Gai joining force with Aruto. That's like one instance in the Xth amount of calculation that Ark had but such probability was so small that he didn't expect such thing to happen. I actually like this aspect where the Ark was only taken aback and let a guard down because some small percentage of surprising events like that. What I don't like was how the show portrayed the Ark as an omnipotent future-calculating machine by manipulating... Aruto and Ikazuchi. The two characters who, unfortunately, might be not the best one in the brain. Aruto, of course, put his heart more to action than his thought and don't forget how Ikazuchi was easily puppeteered by Mestubojinrai without even realizing it. Obviously manipulating both of them were too easy, so to have the Ark HAD to explicitly said they were gullible was disappointing. Even someone who is scared and traumatized by the Ark like Jin obviously felt something amiss when Ikazuchi arrived. Like I don't think it was special for Ark to say he outwits some random citizen than a chessmaster. Even Gai and Co. managed to figure out Ark's intention with little clue they had. Unfortunately the episode painted my expectation for the Ark in the worse light. It felt like a simple villain who took leverage on someone like Banjo and said it was the most amazing thing he could muster. The Ark gained control Zea was good but I wish there was more wits to it than simply portraying Aruto for the Nth time where he was dancing right in the villain's palm.
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