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02-05-2023, 09:01 PM | #541 |
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If you want a fun name for Zooous aside from stretching the letters, might I suggest Zoobooks? It's one of the many nicknames my friend came up for various members of the cast during Saber's run.
Anyway, ya'll remember Zoobooks? I never had any but I remember seeing that commercial all the time. That Tiger Poster man... I don't know where I was going with this. That is all. (Like, I think in the last two-parter, Storious shows up for the final fight in Part 1, but Legeiel shows up in Part 2. At the time, I was like Damn I Thought This Was A Storious Story, but I looked back and it was Storious? And then Legeiel just pops out of a floorboard to be the Book Club representative for that second fight? It definitely feels like the show sort of views them all interchangeably at present.)
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02-05-2023, 11:29 PM | #542 |
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 22 - “EVEN SO, I WISH TO SAVE THEM ALL”
We get a lot of focus on the remaining SoL members this episode, which is pretty much exactly what I’m looking for right now in the narrative. With Daishinji’s defection, it’s the perfect time to drill into what’s keeping Rintaro, Ren, and Ogami around. Ren’s easy: he just wants to fight and detonate monsters, which Reika is a-okay with. (Funniest part in the episode is Rintaro being like There’s A Lady Inside That Megid, and Ren being like DON’T WORRY I’LL MURDER HER. He’s so shallow and excitable that he makes regular one-track minds look like the Den-Liner’s acrobatics by comparison.) Rintaro’s equally obvious, in that he’s trying to protect his rapidly-disintegrating family, and assuring that those who left have a home to come back to when they inevitably wise up. Them two aren’t going anywhere any time soon. But Ogami… it seems like he should leave, doesn’t it? He seems to intensely dislike Reika, and rightfully so. He was fine with Daishinji leaving, because he trusts Daishinji’s judgment. He’s been the first one, in nearly every fight, to try and de-escalate things with Touma. There doesn’t seem to be a strong reason for a man of his convictions to follow cruel orders from an organization that doesn’t seem to care about its soldiers. (Maybe the SoL has really good tuition reimbursement for Sora? Single dads got it rough!) But we get this sweet little scene with Sora, and it all makes sense. He’s a dad. Most of these swordsmen are kids. You don’t leave your kids behind just because things are tough, or because some of them are traitors to a guild of fairytale-powered superheroes. You rein them in when necessary, and you stick around to protect them. Ogami can’t leave, because, like, who’s going to look after Rintaro and Ren? He’s got responsibilities, and that means he’s got to stay in situations he’d maybe rather not. It’s another episode of Saber where the drama with Touma’s former comrades dwarfs whatever MotW shenanigans are going on in the foreground. (It’s Touma advocating for the protection of people’s individual dreams, which both makes sense – it’s another facet of his deeply specific empathy – and also is maybe yet another Fiery Declaration too many from Touma. I don’t need a variation every other episode!) It’s all about Touma proving to Ogami that he’s not just some tourist in the SoL, a bystander who lucked into a sword he should’ve never kept. Touma’s the guy who won’t stop fighting for people, ever, even if he’s not convinced that he should be fighting for an organization. The Remi/Mami stuff was fine, it was whatever; the SoL stuff was amazing, and showcases a grasp of character dynamics and conflicting motivations that match or exceed any other Kamen Rider show. Another huge mark in favor of this show exploring its gigantic, excellent cast! — GETTING INTO KNIVES Mei held up the stack of papers to Daishinji. “What is this?” Daishinji looked up as briefly as he could to verify the content of the papers, then returned his gaze to his workstation, and the sword on it. “Those are the initial reports on my study of Yur– Saikou. Raw data, nothing you’d understand or be interested in.” Mai dashed around to the front of the table, and crouched down so her face would be unavoidably in Daishinji’s line of sight. Her face was… he wanted to say Happy, but there was something else to it that Daishinji was wary of. “Oh, yes, ‘raw data’,” Mei said with a mocking tone. “Very dry, very technical, very official. ‘Business, business, business’,” she said in a haughty voice, as she pretended to page through his report, “‘Numbers.’” Daishinji stopped his analysis of his sword, and readied himself for a battle he always dreaded: a brief conversation with Mei. He respected her as a valuable ally in the battle against the Megid, but he found her energy, enthusiasm and outgoing nature to be discordant at best, cacophonous at worst. She was an explosion, at all times. He wasn’t sure he could survive another detonation. “Is there a problem with my examination of the Sword of Light?” Daishinji attempted to look Mei dead in the eye, to communicate his displeasure with this interruption, but barely made it halfway through before he swung his eyes to a random spot on a far wall. Mei gripped the papers tightly, in a weird delight. “Problem? No. Oh no no no no,” she said with a manic energy, before a brief… was it a squeal? Why was it a squeal? “You were, um, VERY thorough. Can I tell you my favorite, uh, data point?” Daishinji wasn’t expecting this. He’d always assumed that Mei would be disinterested in his data gathering; too flighty and emotional to care about the technical details that went into maintaining the Sacred Swords. Had he misjudged her? Could she be one of the few to find his expertise to be a source of excitement, rather than boredom? (He’d tried to walk Ren through some basic sessions on the science behind maintaining the Sword of Wind, and Ren later told him it was the closest he’d come to laying down his sword forever.) Daishinji smiled slightly, overcome with happiness that his work had ignited something in Mei. “Please do,” he said. She smiled back in a way that alarmed him – it reminded Daishinji of Desast’s rictus grin, for some reason; too wide, too many teeth – and flipped through the report until reaching a dog-eared page. She cleared her throat, and began reading. “‘The sword was smooth, and felt warm in my hands. I gripped it tightly, and felt its power overwhelm my senses. Its heaviness belied its size, and I longed to–’” Daishinji ripped the pages from her hands, and ran to hide under his workstation. From underneath, muffled, he shouted, “THAT IS AN OFFICIAL SWORD OF LOGOS DOCUMENT AND IT IS NOT FOR CIVILIANS THANK YOU GOOD DAY GOODBYE DON’T LOOK AT ME.”
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02-05-2023, 11:54 PM | #543 |
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So to talk about the Remi/Mami stuff... I think the one thing that I loved about this was Touma? Like, it was at this very moment that I realized who he reminded me of when it came to how he went about business.
He's Ichigo from Bleach in regards to his health. The two will literally get out of bed, beaten to hell, bandaged up, probably having internal bleeding, and they will do their damndest to try and get the job done. And then that just made me love Touma more because there's something about Ichigo's reckless abandon when it comes to how he fights injured more often than not that always resonated with me. Speaking of Touma getting injured... man talk about reading the room wrong. The dude really thought that doing a duel with Ogami in the same way he went about it with Daishinji would do the trick... only to fail entirely when his base form was completely outmatched by Buster's defensive capabilities. And I sort of love that? Touma's stubborn in a sense, and is very much a "well if it worked before" kind of guy. So he thinks doing a repeat will work only for it to not work in the slightest at all. So it definitely puts anticipation into how he'll go about everything given the likely scenario is to challenge Ogami again in the future. That being said the other Sword of Logos stuff is also good. Ren is Ren, but Rintaro... it hurts so much to see Rintaro struggling this month. The dude has to try so hard to try and Henshin to potentially deal with Charybdis before Touma shows up. Charybdis also shows a pretty cool power this week that I cared more for than it's amalgamation of Megid powers previously. And that's how it can use its tummy teeth to initiate a "The Hand" type maneuver to draw people in closer while eating its surroundings. It also has a cool weapon thingy! But yeah. Overall, great episode for the Sword of Logos side of things, and while I know the Megid scenario wasn't exactly the most different, it is still nice to be getting new monsters still. As for the story... I love it. I absolutely love it. Mei and Daishinji were not the two I expected you to choose for a conversation, and it produced splendid results. Daishinji is absolutely the type of man who would wax poetically about a goddamn sword, so much so that I really should think of including something like that in my story. So thank you for the inspiration! ===Zero Presents: Desast Walk=== Desast Walk #4: "Hello, humans. I'm Dessert. The warmth of the sun and the freezing breeze is comforting. It's starting to smell a little like spring. It's not a bad idea to take a nap on a day like this, right? I'm so bored." Also there's a video attached to this so I will link to the tweet itself. https://twitter.com/saber_toei/statu...174053376?s=20 |
02-06-2023, 12:19 AM | #544 |
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He's Ichigo from Bleach in regards to his health. The two will literally get out of bed, beaten to hell, bandaged up, probably having internal bleeding, and they will do their damndest to try and get the job done. And then that just made me love Touma more because there's something about Ichigo's reckless abandon when it comes to how he fights injured more often than not that always resonated with me.
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As for the story... I love it. I absolutely love it. Mei and Daishinji were not the two I expected you to choose for a conversation, and it produced splendid results. Daishinji is absolutely the type of man who would wax poetically about a goddamn sword, so much so that I really should think of including something like that in my story. So thank you for the inspiration!
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02-06-2023, 12:50 AM | #545 |
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I really appreciate that the show didn't have all of the other Riders realize that Touma was right and rejoin him all at once. Letting each character come to their own realization about who they wanted to side with was a great way to give all of them the deeper focus and development that the show didn't take the time for in its first act.
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02-06-2023, 12:54 AM | #546 |
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I really appreciate that the show didn't have all of the other Riders realize that Touma was right and rejoin him all at once. Letting each character come to their own realization about who they wanted to side with was a great way to give all of them the deeper focus and development that the show didn't take the time for in its first act.
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02-06-2023, 02:45 AM | #547 |
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So I don’t remember much about the totality of this two parter beyond Yuri getting his new book, Slash living up to his genre name around the former, the debut of Charybdis (who’s going to be slightly more important, based on that scene where it’s shown the book survived and was completed), and it’s revealed that there are a total of 10 Seiken (plus Kyomu from the movie. It’s kind of like the Sefirat from Hindu mythology, where there’s 11 pieces, but only 10 are strictly necessary) that legends says can pool their powers into an ultimate sword. (Foreshadowing!)
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02-06-2023, 11:15 AM | #548 |
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Something else I'd like to point out about X-Sword-Man is that Saikou doesn't have a facsimile of his Seiken Sword sticking out of his head like the other Swordsmen, that would be too weird since he is his Seiken Sword. His head ornament is a pencil instead, which continues the reference to comic books! Quote:
Beyond the aesthetic delights of a suit that makes Slash look like Shadow, there?s the way in which it debuts: I sort of love that this episode has Tassel appear in a plotline that intersects with the main narrative? (I also just like the Old Buddy comedy of Tassel and Yuri. It?s really well done.) It?s Yuri opting to step off the sidelines, where Tassel lives, and join the fight for justice alongside Touma. You need to have Yuri in the Avalon/Wonder World set for at least a little bit in the same episode where he becomes a swordsman once again.
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Yuri fights as a Shadow Saikou, but as an X-Swordsman, he uses more than just his sword, he equips the flashy armor on himself as well, making him feel more like a regular Kamen Rider. Though, other than Yuri's view to be less of a bystander and blend more with the world, in fight Shadow Saikou is well, a shadow and thus already can phase through most attacks like yeti Megid's before? With X-Swordsman armor, he's no longer invulnerable?
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And similar to that ?Touma is from Wonder World? misunderstanding, TV Tropes actually misinterpreted a scene from the previous episode to mean this episode would be about Touma?s Kaenken Rekka breaking down from lack of maintenance. Which in retrospect, is kind of silly (just because the toy of the magical artefact is electronic, doesn?t mean the magical artefact itself is).
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 22 - ?EVEN SO, I WISH TO SAVE THEM ALL?
But we get this sweet little scene with Sora, and it all makes sense. He?s a dad. Most of these swordsmen are kids. You don?t leave your kids behind just because things are tough, or because some of them are traitors to a guild of fairytale-powered superheroes. You rein them in when necessary, and you stick around to protect them. Ogami can?t leave, because, like, who?s going to look after Rintaro and Ren? He?s got responsibilities, and that means he?s got to stay in situations he?d maybe rather not. Quote:
.... Which reminds me, Aruto's going to need a new bf after 01hers, huh.
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 22 - “EVEN SO, I WISH TO SAVE THEM ALL”
Ren’s easy: he just wants to fight and detonate monsters, which Reika is a-okay with. (Funniest part in the episode is Rintaro being like There’s A Lady Inside That Megid, and Ren being like DON’T WORRY I’LL MURDER HER. He’s so shallow and excitable that he makes regular one-track minds look like the Den-Liner’s acrobatics by comparison.) Rintaro’s equally obvious, in that he’s trying to protect his rapidly-disintegrating family, and assuring that those who left have a home to come back to when they inevitably wise up. Them two aren’t going anywhere any time soon. Quote:
But Ogami… it seems like he should leave, doesn’t it? He seems to intensely dislike Reika, and rightfully so. He was fine with Daishinji leaving, because he trusts Daishinji’s judgment. He’s been the first one, in nearly every fight, to try and de-escalate things with Touma. There doesn’t seem to be a strong reason for a man of his convictions to follow cruel orders from an organization that doesn’t seem to care about its soldiers. (Maybe the SoL has really good tuition reimbursement for Sora? Single dads got it rough!)
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But we get this sweet little scene with Sora, and it all makes sense. He’s a dad. Most of these swordsmen are kids. You don’t leave your kids behind just because things are tough, or because some of them are traitors to a guild of fairytale-powered superheroes. You rein them in when necessary, and you stick around to protect them. Ogami can’t leave, because, like, who’s going to look after Rintaro and Ren? He’s got responsibilities, and that means he’s got to stay in situations he’d maybe rather not.
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It’s another episode of Saber where the drama with Touma’s former comrades dwarfs whatever MotW shenanigans are going on in the foreground. (It’s Touma advocating for the protection of people’s individual dreams, which both makes sense – it’s another facet of his deeply specific empathy – and also is maybe yet another Fiery Declaration too many from Touma. I don’t need a variation every other episode!) It’s all about Touma proving to Ogami that he’s not just some tourist in the SoL, a bystander who lucked into a sword he should’ve never kept. Touma’s the guy who won’t stop fighting for people, ever, even if he’s not convinced that he should be fighting for an organization.
The Remi/Mami stuff was fine, it was whatever; the SoL stuff was amazing, and showcases a grasp of character dynamics and conflicting motivations that match or exceed any other Kamen Rider show. Another huge mark in favor of this show exploring its gigantic, excellent cast!
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02-06-2023, 01:26 PM | #550 |
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Yes, the riders in the Saber are chic and beautifully crafted considering how many of them there are. What is no less surprising is that each of them has something to do, even if it is completely in the background. And yes, Ogami is now at a crossroads and will have to choose sides again in the future. Also, the story is beautiful and the characters are conveyed very accurately.
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