[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

If you're going to bash me for my use of words which I can use whatever word i want to describe something... then I'll just kindly point out. Please actually use the word filler correctly. Stop throwing it around just to give the illusion that your dislike has any basis. While I get that words evolve over time due to the way our culture is, filler is probably the worst I feel? Filler at its core was used and should still be used to describe anime that have to derail themselves into an original story so they didn't catch up to the manga. Now it's simply used to say any potential small character work or breathing space is pointless which is very untrue.

Me bashing you? Who is bashing you? I merely showed that your use of the word "genius" was incorrect. I, who is not a writer, let alone a genius writer, even provided several similar examples with the aim of showing that this type of writing is not hard to do, let alone sufficient to be labeled as "genius". I can call myself a genius too, but reality says otherwise. It's not about using whatever words I like. It's about the agreement between the meaning of a word and the reality.

What was wrong with my use of the word "filler"? I merely pointed out the fact that several people (me excluded) in other forums insisted that KR Legend would only appear in episodes 32-33, thus making those episodes filler crossover episodes that can be safely disregarded without breaking the narrative structure of Gotchard's story as a whole. So, it's not my idea nor expectation. It's their idea and their expectation, and I was just conveying it. Me saying "Let's hope that this Legend "arc" is just a filler 2-parter that began in episode 32 and ends in episode 33" was my admission that I could've been wrong. I myself don't think of these episodes as fillers, because several important reveals have happened there.

I'm only a casual anime fan, so I'm not familiar with the meaning of the word "filler" in that fandom. As far as I know, episodes like 28-31 are called fillers too, because there weren't many things happening in those episodes. Chill episodes like these are common in this franchise. Crossover episodes that promote the sister franchises or the latest film are called filler episodes too in this franchise.

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

And I mean this recent episode of Gotchard (33) still has developments, the remarks about the dark king showing up, alongside Lachesis and Clotho having their moments as well. Saying this is filler means you can skip this episode which is very untrue, and this arc will still see us collecting more Chemy as well which again as I've said... is the main plot of the show whether or not people like to believe it.

I concur. As I've explained above, I myself don't view episodes 32-33 as fillers. Crossover episodes (with the concurring Super Sentai series or the new KR series) are usually non-canon stories that don't feature important reveals nor plot developments, only basic stories which often make no logical sense within the continuity of the whole story of the individual series.

Episodes 32-33 (and very likely also the next several episodes of the Legend "arc"), however, feature several important reveals/plot developments, such as Gigist's appearance and Clotho's upgraded form. If these episodes and the next several episodes of the Legend "arc" are to be disregarded as merely non-canon crossover episodes, then the several important reveals/plot developments should be disregarded too, which will break the story. My point was a refutation to the point made by several people in other forums who insisted that KR Legend's appearance will make no impact to the main storyline, whether positive or negative. After the broadcast of today's episode, those people are proven to be quite wrong.

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Like being entirely real, this 'fanfic' stuff that people complain about? That's creativity, that's what's pushing things further, that's what's allowing people to grow further in these fields. We're in the age where fans of old franchises now have the chance to put their love into things. And denying that love and calling it fanfic in such a demeaning way is insulting. Especially as someone who makes and enjoys fanfics regularly.

I see a bunch of people looking at what they have, saying 'this'd be cool' and making it happen. Like I'm sorry but if you're telling me you can't find some joy in Eternal 26 A-Z Gaia Memories vs. Platina Gotchard 26 A-Z Chemies which is a clever and cool detail for them to do (alongside the Henshin details for Eternal and just every little bit this past episode) then idk what to say.

I have no problem with fanfics nor crossovers. I even dearly miss the mundane, fun, random net movies of the past, so I only have my love for them. What I have problem with is not fanfics nor crossovers nor random fun contents, but when a crossover story "infect" the main story, like what's probably happening with Gotchard right now. Like I previously stated: Let regular stories be regular stories, let crossover stories be crossover stories. Let non-canon stories be just non-canon stories. Never mix them up or interchange one with another, or you risk confusing your audience. If your audience are confused by your messy canon, then they will gradually abandon your franchise. If your audience are subconsciously tuning out because they're confused by your stories, then it's a very bad sign.

People, especially today's people, have many things to allocate their brains' processing power to, and entertainment is usually the lowest one in their priority list. People only want to be entertained, not be given a confusing homework of connecting the dots between several unconnectible stories.

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Originally Posted by BlazeKing

I just want to say that Kamen Rider Legend was always going to be part of the main story (as he was leaked super early on). During the side story which really wasn't a side story, Kaguya said Gotchard wasn't the "gorgeous" Gotchard he was expecting to see. Platinum Gotchard is what he expected to see and it's part of why he actually showed up in the main series now.

I concur. I think it's very possible that the producers have planned for this drastic change in storyline (from a story about alchemy to a story about invaders from parallel world) since the pre-production phase. If it's true, then it's even worse than a sudden, unplanned change of course.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

All ideas are just shallow logic until you actually do something with them. Most of those you mentioned wouldn't even need to rely on Legendsiders stuff, so there's no reason why they couldn't be turned in to good stories by a competent writer, whether a screenwriter or a fanfic writer.

Be careful. Not all ideas are equal. Some are right, some are wrong, some are not even wrong. Some are doable, while some others are the equivalent of making Jesus born before Pontius Pilate. Some are possible, while some others are just plain impossible. Be careful not to waste time on something impossible, wrong, or not even wrong.

Maybe there's an uber-genius writer who only exists once in the whole history of humanity that can turn crossover stories like KR Decade/KR Zi-O/KR Outsiders into a great, sensical story with consistent internal logic and zero plot holes, but so far all signs point that that person is definitely not Yuuya Takahashi nor the other writers from KR Outsiders, haha. I can only wait until this uber-mensch of a writer arrives. Until then, please keep regular stories separated from crossover stories.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Yes, the movie that the show had directly referenced several times since it came out is non-canon.

Just admit, you don?t watch these shows to enjoy them. You watch them to complain.

You're right. :V
I have:
- Never made hypotheses about a story, let alone hypotheses that are later proven to be correct. :V
- Never made logical, objective, constructive criticisms that point out the mistakes in writing. :V
- Never identified problems in writing nor offered solutions to those problems to the best of my ability. :V
- Never made posts about the latest news from a series. :V
- Always responded to comments from other users who disagree with my opinions with ad hominem attacks. :V
- Always let my emotions cloud my judgement and prevent me from thinking clearly and rationally. :V

If that is what your conclusion after reading my various posts about Gotchard in this forum, then I would like to congratulate you for having a very high skill of reading comprehension. :V

[Enchilada645]

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Originally Posted by Sunred

Legend giving people the Phase 1 Heisei Medley as I like to call it was dare I say gorgeous.

That's Koichi Sakamoto for you, love him or hate him, despite his flaws and quirks the dude knows how to make a fun form-swap festival. He even did one for Gotchard too even if it wasn't that extensive. But hey he pulled out the best form that I'm surprised they never used earlier, Fire Gotchard Antwrestler. That highspeed closeline he pulled out was sick.

And that's not going onto the fact that for the Zein cameo, Koichi decided to show up to the ADR studio with Super-1 footage on hand to give Zein's VA so he could get the intonation of the finisher call out correctly.

There was a lot of passion this past episode. And to think, with all the stuff we were shown in scans, we've somehow ran through 85% of via this past episode and this coming week's episode. So May has plenty of surprises left.

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

That's Koichi Sakamoto for you, love him or hate him, despite his flaws and quirks the dude knows how to make a fun form-swap festival. He even did one for Gotchard too even if it wasn't that extensive. But hey he pulled out the best form that I'm surprised they never used earlier, Fire Gotchard Antwrestler. That highspeed closeline he pulled out was sick.

And that's not going onto the fact that for the Zein cameo, Koichi decided to show up to the ADR studio with Super-1 footage on hand to give Zein's VA so he could get the intonation of the finisher call out correctly.

There was a lot of passion this past episode. And to think, with all the stuff we were shown in scans, we've somehow ran through 85% of via this past episode and this coming week's episode. So May has plenty of surprises left.

I mentioned it in the episode thread but the real champ? The scotch tape that held the Faiz Pointer on the leg.
As for the Super-1 stuff that is neat to know.

[henshinzero]

Seeing how the Three Dark Sisters are going through, with Lachesis becoming the second Valvarad after Supana & Clotho enhanced to Rebis, what will become of Atropos in the future?

Could you all see Atropos' age being altered somehow and gain a new power to fight the riders? Final boss material?

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

Seeing how the Three Dark Sisters are going through, with Lachesis becoming the second Valvarad after Supana & Clotho enhanced to Rebis, what will become of Atropos in the future?

Could you all see Atropos' age being altered somehow and gain a new power to fight the riders? Final boss material?

Real talk I would not mind if they retooled and repainted the Kamen Rider Poppy suit to fit the show's asthetics and call it Kamen Rider Atropos.

[henshinzero]

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Originally Posted by Sunred

Real talk I would not mind if they retooled and repainted the Kamen Rider Poppy suit to fit the show's asthetics and call it Kamen Rider Atropos.

But we may not see KR Poppy ever again though....

NO WE'RE NOT MAKING ATROPOS A RIDER! Turn her into a Rider-like Kaijin like Daguva!

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

But we may not see KR Poppy ever again though....

NO WE'RE NOT MAKING ATROPOS A RIDER! Turn her into a Rider-like Kaijin like Daguva!

Emphasis on retool and repaint. It would be like how Kamen Rider Shinobi or Quiz were originally Ride Player and Ghost suits.

[Hiikomori]

nah. Atropos wont get anything. She will just die by getting backstabbed by Geryon. xD

[LevisNox]

We got enough kamen riders in a season where the creators said we wouldn't have a shit load of kamen riders

but at this point Atropo will most likely get a kr form

[Enchilada645]

I feel like we need to stop parroting that statement, especially when Dread showed up and they specifically said "Yeah we kind of lied about that"

Also 4 Main Riders (Gotchard, Majade, Valvarad, Dread) + 3 Occasional Riders (Legend, Gotchard Daybreak, and Wind) isn't really that bad when compared to the shows prior.