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07-13-2020, 11:35 PM | #21 |
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I can't stop laughing about how me getting a character's name actual wrong made several people just think Meh Not His Best Work. I love that. I don't know if anything in the rest of this thread is going to make me laugh as hard as that. What am I doing with my life?!
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I'm curious what people's feelings are going to be like for Blade. I don't really have a sense for how it's perceived in the fandom. (It's not like I've really solicited opinions, though!) This and Kabuto, along with Agito, are the Phase 1 shows where I was like Did Anyone Watch These? It's cool, so far, to hear how some fans really dig it. I like knowing that, that a show has supporters. Curious to find out what makes it other fans', uh... less happy memories? I don't know. There's good and bad in every Rider show, and I'm thrilled to find out what those look like for Blade.
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07-13-2020, 11:42 PM | #22 |
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Only thing I will say is that the start may be rough but personally it was all worth it in the end.
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07-13-2020, 11:42 PM | #23 |
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Like a few others in here, Blade is one of my favorite series, so I'm excited to see your thoughts on it! I remember the first time I watched it, I had the same reaction as you towards the first episode. I remember thinking to myself "what the hell is going on here" at least five separate times throughout it, and wishing it would just slow down and let me get to know the characters.
That said, that's also exactly the thing about it that hooked me early on. While it felt rushed and overloaded with stuff happening, it was so different a start from any series I'd seen before it. It simultaneously felt like it gave too much information and not enough information, which is...quite a thing to accomplish. The strangeness of it all just immediately piqued my interest.
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07-13-2020, 11:50 PM | #24 |
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Like a few others in here, Blade is one of my favorite series, so I'm excited to see your thoughts on it! I remember the first time I watched it, I had the same reaction as you towards the first episode. I remember thinking to myself "what the hell is going on here" at least five separate times throughout it, and wishing it would just slow down and let me get to know the characters.
That said, that's also exactly the thing about it that hooked me early on. While it felt rushed and overloaded with stuff happening, it was so different a start from any series I'd seen before it. It simultaneously felt like it gave too much information and not enough information, which is...quite a thing to accomplish. The strangeness of it all just immediately piqued my interest. And, y'know, I get that decision. Faiz sure took its sweet-ass time rolling out the action elements. (To the benefit of its storytelling, but still!) Going the complete opposite direction, where the first goddamn sequence is Blade and Garren turning a monster into trading card? And then just blowing it all up in the end of the episode? Yeah, I can see where that decision made sense. But, like, let's say I'm telling a story about a guy and his car. The end of the story is that the guy's car, which is so important to him, gets wrecked. I'd maybe spend the story having the guy drive around, run errands, wash his car, just generally display the joy the character feels from the car, so that the audience feels its loss at the end of the story. I would probably not have the character drive a bit, then stay inside watching baseball until the very end of the story, when he wrecks his car. It's... I don't know if that's how you want to build up to an ending? Also, hey, oh my god, I'm sorry to keep harping on about the structure of the first episode. How are we all feeling about Kenzaki in Episode 1? I thought the stuff with his (former) landlord was... maybe a little much, but I really liked his scenes with Kotaro and Tachibana. I really really loved the way the Tachibana scene is him just being all Ha Ha It's Just A Paycheck No J/K I Want To Help People Or Whatever, and then we find out his family died in a fire right in front of him (I guess?) and he still has nightmares about it. It's way of getting at his motivations while still letting him act carefree and aloof. Just a great bit of character development. A+, man. Loved that.
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07-14-2020, 12:32 AM | #25 |
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I'm curious what people's feelings are going to be like for Blade. I don't really have a sense for how it's perceived in the fandom. (It's not like I've really solicited opinions, though!) This and Kabuto, along with Agito, are the Phase 1 shows where I was like Did Anyone Watch These? It's cool, so far, to hear how some fans really dig it. I like knowing that, that a show has supporters. Curious to find out what makes it other fans', uh... less happy memories?
I don't know. There's good and bad in every Rider show, and I'm thrilled to find out what those look like for Blade. I can't personally say that Blade is my favorite Rider show because Hibiki exists, but it's always been near the top of my list. |
07-14-2020, 12:43 AM | #26 |
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So random question and this is for everyone who wants to give their two cents so feel free, what were your first impressions of the Blade and Garren suits, theme song, and gimmicks such as the belts, rouse cards and the rousers?
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07-14-2020, 01:04 AM | #27 |
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How are we all feeling about Kenzaki in Episode 1? I thought the stuff with his (former) landlord was... maybe a little much, but I really liked his scenes with Kotaro and Tachibana. I really really loved the way the Tachibana scene is him just being all Ha Ha It's Just A Paycheck No J/K I Want To Help People Or Whatever, and then we find out his family died in a fire right in front of him (I guess?) and he still has nightmares about it. It's way of getting at his motivations while still letting him act carefree and aloof. Just a great bit of character development. A+, man. Loved that.
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07-14-2020, 01:15 AM | #28 |
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As for the theme song and opening. I like the song, but I've always found the opening credits to be goofy as hell. The whole stage show and posing element just comes off as weird and cheesy to me. |
07-14-2020, 02:32 AM | #29 |
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Jumping into a series with Kenzaki as Blade and Tachibana as Garren, it’s disorienting. Within a few minutes, though, you get all of the key info: they’re Riders, they work for BOARD, they’re hunting Undead. Tachibana has been at this a little longer than Kenzaki. Tachibana is not in great shape, and Kenzaki maybe doesn’t take this all as seriously as he should. Also, cards.
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Which, man, that was where this episode kind-of lost me. I barely have a handle on what’s going on or why, and then Tachibana takes out BOARD. It’s a betrayal by a character I don’t know, which emotionally wounds a character I’m not that invested in. I don’t… why would you do this at the end of the first episode? Why assume that it’s going to mean anything to the audience? You’re blowing up a premise that you just set up, and even then it’s not nearly the most interesting premise in the show! Why make that the end of your first episode?
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Yeah, it's already said above this episode is overstuffed, but it's also said that Blade is merely rough on the start but definitely not as an overall series. Hirose so far gives me Sasayama vibe in Kuuga. Amane is the stock bratty kid. Also Kotaro's family introduction is needed because they aren't one-shot characters, for better or worse. Quote:
And, look. I like Kenzaki! He’s got some fun comedic timing. I like his underdog take on being a masked hero. I like that he’s not got it all together. I like how he gives jokey, bullshit, self-deprecating answers because he’s haunted by loss and rage. (That dream sequence! Yes!) I like his time with Kotaro especially, and if that’d been the premiere, I’d’ve been so much happier. But this thing’s nearly all plot, all premise. There’s so little space for spark, and no space for themes. I don’t know what I’m supposed to care about, what I’m supposed to want to happen. I want to care about these people, and this show seems to want me to care about their world. Just… not what I want out of a first episode.
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I'll have loads of other things I want to say besides this, but before I do anything else, especially since this is the first not-Die post in the thread, I need to make an announcement. I'm retiring from translation policing to pursue a career in education. So pull up a seat for the first of what may become many installments of...
Learning Ondul the Easy WEEEEEEI! (#1) There's absolutely no getting around the onslaught of memes when talking about Blade, so any aspiring Kamen Rider fan needs to be prepared with the knowledge of how this one particular series became such a source of humor for the fandom at large. Let's get right to the point and familiarize ourselves with the basics. What the heck is an "Ondul"? Blade quickly became infamous among Japanese viewers when it was airing, especially early on in the series, for the consistent trouble the actors had delivering their lines clearly. Words being slurred together, mispronounced syllables, and questionable emphasis turned into easy fodder for jokes, and one line in particular from the first episode reigned supreme above all others as the symbol of the entire quirky bit of fandom culture.
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07-14-2020, 04:38 AM | #30 |
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Yeah, I promised to do this, but my internet is a nightmare where I’m staying this week, so I may not be able to do it regularly.
Meme List Kazuma is the center of a Japanese meme dubbed "Ondul" (オンドゥル), in which actor Takayuki Tsubaki's emotion-slurred speech, is treated as a separate language (the name comes from his line in the first episode, "Have you really betrayed us?!" (本当に裏切ったんですか! Hontōni uragittan desu ka!), with "honto" ("really") coming out as "ondul", turning into Ondourur ragitta ndisukā! (オンドゥルルラギッタンディスカー!)). This meme was named the "Ondul Language" (オンドゥル語 Onduru go) and has been referenced in other works, such as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. The scene in the first episode wherein Garren spied Blade fighting Locust Undead from afar was made into various comedic situation where fans would place either Garren in other images peaking another character or parodying it in somewhere else. This scene is memorable as "Why are you just watching!!" (なぜ見てるんです!! Naze miterun desu!!), which was the line delivered by Blade before he enacted the infamous Ondul meme. An example of a reference: The guy playing Blade’s YouTube review of the CSM Garren gear. https://youtu.be/FzXO_upOQKk And now for the file on this week’s monsters. Scope Bat. An immortal creature that is the ancestor of the bat, which belongs to the Category 8 of Diamond Suit. It has heightened senses that increase its accuracy when it attacks. Rouse Card details. Suit: Diamond. Category: 8 Effect name: Scope. Card Name: Scope Bat (スコープ・バット Sukōpu Batto) Consumption Points: FP 1200. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121110142839 Kick Locust An immortal creature that is the ancestor of the locust, which belongs to the Category 5 of Spade Suit.It has the ability to produce large numbers of locusts and use them for attacks. Also, because it is a locust monster, it has very high jumping and kicking powers, and when jumping it changes its legs into a grasshopper and flies with its wings on its back. Rouse Card details. * Suit: Spade (♠) * Category: 5 * Effect name: KICK * Card name: Kick Locust (キック・ローカスト Kikku Rōkasuto) * Consumption points: FP 1000 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121110111130 So like I said, I might not be able to do this feature regularly, so I may have to appoint a temp until Friday (since I’ll be back in my Wi-Fi comfort zone then). |
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