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12-15-2022, 09:06 AM | #11 |
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Oh hey, they actually had Geats lose already. Really thought he'd stay in at the end. Based on the preview, I'm thinking it might end up as another one where nobody wins because of that..
I guess if anyone was going to have a different driver, it should be the Gamemaster. I just hope he isn't the start of a deluge of new drivers lol. The simplicity but versatility of the Desire Driver is too nice. And John and Ben being confirmed as former Riders is awesome! Do hope we at least get to briefly see them actually transformed.
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12-15-2022, 11:42 AM | #12 |
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And it seems to me that Ace, during the Jamato attack, will touch the Core ID, remember everything, convince the guy in charge of the buckles to return and snatch victory at the last moment. |
12-15-2022, 11:47 AM | #13 |
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By the way, given the complaints about Tacoon's willingness to give away his driver to Geats, I think that many people do not understand Keiwa's position. It's not about naivety, but about the difference in priorities. For him, the DGP is primarily about saving the world, not about competition. Hence the willingness to cooperate to the detriment of oneself. Because the main thing for him is that Jamato does not win and all the dead civilians are resurrected. And his own desire is a nice bonus.
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12-15-2022, 12:05 PM | #14 |
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By the way, given the complaints about Tacoon's willingness to give away his driver to Geats, I think that many people do not understand Keiwa's position. It's not about naivety, but about the difference in priorities. For him, the DGP is primarily about saving the world, not about competition. Hence the willingness to cooperate to the detriment of oneself. Because the main thing for him is that Jamato does not win and all the dead civilians are resurrected. And your own desire is a nice bonus.
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12-15-2022, 01:45 PM | #15 |
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By the way, given the complaints about Tacoon's willingness to give away his driver to Geats, I think that many people do not understand Keiwa's position. It's not about naivety, but about the difference in priorities. For him, the DGP is primarily about saving the world, not about competition. Hence the willingness to cooperate to the detriment of oneself. Because the main thing for him is that Jamato does not win and all the dead civilians are resurrected. And his own desire is a nice bonus.
My problem this week was that Buffa should have killed the final jamato. Keiwa killing it before confirming Geats had obtained the driver and was safe, well, it just makes Keiwa look stupid, right? At least you could have had the jamato threatening a kid or something, or have some sort of countdown time limit. As it stood it just looked like Keiwa was styling on that fool and just decided to kill him completely forgetting about his bro! Should have just let Buffa do it, since he wanted to take out Geats anyway. Or if you have a mind control rider, have the mind control rider take over keiwa to kill the jamato and eliminate geats. It?s really only a minor complaint though. |
12-15-2022, 02:37 PM | #16 |
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I definitely agree Ace is winning this DGP, but I think Michinaga will transfer his entry rights, personally, like with Keilow before. I doubt we?ll lose any of our big four permanently until maybe the finale, so I think he?ll be back a few months after Christmas (like with Kento and Kiriya), but I do think we?re losing Michinaga for a while, and that rather than die, he?ll simply drop out for a bit.
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12-15-2022, 08:45 PM | #17 |
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The fact that the Chadguards, Ben and John, were Riders only makes me love them even more.
But also, Glare certainly leaves an impression. He looks like he's from the future, as if he's above the Rider Players (not the Ex-Aid ones), which he is, but the aesthetic surrounding him is really cool! And the fact that his armor comes off and becomes a mask to control others is a neat feature. I kind of figured Geats would lose at some point down the line, but wouldn't ya know it? He goes out the very next episode I make that claim. I have a feeling that the sponsors are going to go against each other at some point, since I'm assuming one of them, sent Ace the Command Buckle, then we have the Kuramas and Hallelujah's grandpa's company all as known sponsors, and now that Giroli has stepped into the game (which the outro says he can't do no matter what as Gamemaster), there's going to be some infighting, unless there's a real Gamemaster. Oh yeah, there's also the Planter Guy who makes Jyamato. I have a feeling he's using the Rider's memories to feed this new batch of Jyamato, given the implications of Tycoon's Boss' last words being uttered by one of them. Next Episode: Kamen Rider Geats-is-no-longer-the-Protagonist.
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12-15-2022, 09:33 PM | #18 |
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By the way, given the complaints about Tacoon's willingness to give away his driver to Geats, I think that many people do not understand Keiwa's position. It's not about naivety, but about the difference in priorities. For him, the DGP is primarily about saving the world, not about competition. Hence the willingness to cooperate to the detriment of oneself. Because the main thing for him is that Jamato does not win and all the dead civilians are resurrected. And his own desire is a nice bonus.
Not necessarily about Keiwa but also it seems that some can forget that being competitive and caring for others' well-being isn't mutually exclusive, as being competitive seems to be associated with cutthroatness and willingness to do anything to win (yeah Michinaga's a type of this), along with "nice guys finish last". But yeah, one can both really motivated to go for victory, like doing their best to complete the task required to win, while still care for others' well-being, including for competition, not wanting to see them end up in bad shape as you beat them. Quote:
Spot on there! We all saw how he basically did the same thing in the kick the can episode. Also all those times he gave away the boost buckle.
My problem this week was that Buffa should have killed the final jamato. Keiwa killing it before confirming Geats had obtained the driver and was safe, well, it just makes Keiwa look stupid, right? Though for the part of defeating Bishop Jamato, seems that he needs to do it before the Bishop Jamato tears the Riders apart by making the Riders fight each other via illusions seen in Buffa and Na-Go attacking each other. (in place of a child being threatened like you suggested, and killed Riders don't return.. unless Keiwa wins).
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12-15-2022, 11:47 PM | #19 |
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Ok. I’ll accept your reasoning, that Keiwa was worried about Buffa and Na-Go. It really just seemed like he was just styling on that fool, but Na-Go and Buffa were fighting each other too, I guess.
The episode can only be so long and there was obviously some much more important stuff going on with the other characters, so they did not have time to really communicate what exactly motivated Keiwa there. It was only a minor complaint I was making. I’m really enjoying this show so far. |
12-16-2022, 03:50 PM | #20 |
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Damn, after all my predictions last week, I totally wasn't expecting Ace to lose his plot armor so suddenly. Geats didn't even appear in this episode. However, it looks like one of his desires, "to play DGP until I die", will allow him to stick around and have a limited effect on the finale, since he technically didn't die in the conventional sense. Maybe he can appeal to get back his qualifications by calling out Glare's very obvious rigging, just in time to defeat the final boss.
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Anyway, Gamemaster is kind of a dumbass. So he tells Win that he'll restore him should he be defeated, then he places PunkJack in a situation where he'll be erased, then double crosses him and tells him the only way he won't get erased and have his memory wiped is if he becomes the god of desire, meaning he has to win the DGP.
And then he's surprised that the person he's double crossing opts to not follow him anymore? When Gamemaster stated once again that PunkJack's mission was to eliminate Ace, I was expecting him to retort that he can't eliminate Ace if Gamemaster was about to let him die. Quote:
Also, the timeline is a little odd. The DGP's games tend to last little longer than a few weeks, if even that long. If Ace has been winning since 1 AD, then what the hell were his wishes? We know he wanted to participate in the games forever, that he was the star among stars among stars, and that the DGP staff was his family, all in an attempt to learn more of his mother, but that still leaves an innumerable amount of wishes he's achieved.
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First of all, we only know for certain that Geats won like 5-6 games, since that are the cards we actually saw.
Second, it is not at all confirmed Geats is actually 2000 years old, since the only information on that we have gotten is from Ace and we all know how unreliable he can be. People really shouldn't just assume those theories are 100% canon, or they may be surprised in the long run. Quote:
Overall yeah, Win is Michinaga 2.0, both are Ace's rivals who can never measure up to him, but Win is more on the trickery side rather than Michinaga's fighting or gaming. Every single of Win's schemes got foiled, from the toilet excuse which had Ace dominating Jamatos to here where he purposely manipulates the events that got him the info he needed. Win obviously only gives information to Ace after Girori backstabbed him, so I guess Ace also made a right guess about Win having a hard time serving under the GM, and thus Ace also expected the GM to think Ace is eliminated, and then backstab Win, leaving Win more open to help Ace. This also reveals that Win is the total opposite of having blind loyalty to GM, actually he's purely mercenary type to only do the job when he can get something to gain, his memories in this case.
For sure.
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