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03-17-2023, 03:47 AM | #1111 |
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So yeah, fun fact. This, along with Senki and Revice’s preview movie, are the few times that Vice’s dialogue is scripted. In the show proper, all of his dialogue is ad-libbed (initially because the VA hated the scripted dialogue, later because they’re realised they weren’t going to give him material as good as he was coming up with on his own, so they just left placeholders with stage directions). If you ask me, it worked out for the best.
Also, the wiki says that like the Another Riders, the people contracting to create a Deadman are opposites to the Riders the stamps are based on. But given how tenuous the reasons given are (the only actual link with Ichigou this episode’s guy has is that Hongou has a backstory as a university professor), I’m not going to be sharing them. And talking of Vistamps. Ikki: It’s Ikki and… Vice: Vice’s… Both: Stamp Navi! Ikki: Today’s Vistamp is… this one! Batta! It’s a Legend! The original grasshopper! Top Batta! The Approaching Hopper! Henshin! Ikki: The Batta Vistamp grants the extraordinary jumping ability of a grasshopper. Vice: I want to use it. George: I’m sorry, Vice. I already have that stamp reserved for someone else. But, as for the Rider… Desire Driver: Ichigou! Takeshi Hongou: Rider, Henshin! George: The first Rider, Ichigou. A man modified into a monster by Shocker for his 300 point IQ. Augmented to the peak of the human condition, his Rider techniques’ power is unmatched. Vice: Hey, Kari-chan. Why is this the only Vistamp you’ve made where the Rider motif actually fits the animal? George: We’ll, you see… (stamps himself with the Batta stamp and leaps out through the ceiling) Vice: Hey, don’t cheap out the audience on a pertinent question! Ikki: We hope you enjoy the next instalment. Vice: Get back here. And now a PSA: If anyone’s interested n contributing to the instalments of this feature where I talk about your favourite Riders* (either by altering the description, or changing the planned jokes), please DM me. *People whose favourites are Riderman, Stronger, Skyrider, Super-1, Black RX, Shin, ZO, J or any non-primary Rider need not apply. Last edited by Androzani84; 04-20-2023 at 06:24 PM.. |
03-17-2023, 10:02 AM | #1112 |
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Sh Ranger also also watched Kamen Rider Saber Episode 47
This was my first time talking about a KR finale on this forum and I had a lot of thoughts to write about, so I figured I'd share them here. I also congratulated our fellow TN user TheJaz who helped save the world. Based on my many complaints about RealEyezing Hopper in the Zero One thread, maybe you were expecting that I'd complain about Almighty Dragon as well? Fortunately, I have nothing bad to say about this form! It's like what I wanted from Featuring Saber, now with Blades and Espada properly fighting alongside Saber, with all three of them empowered by humanity's stories so they could finally show Storious the error of his ways. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 47 - ?THE END OF THE WORLD, AND THE BIRTH OF A NEW STORY?
I liked that aspect the most, the Mei Rallies The Troops of it all. Touma was fighting to protect everyone?s love of stories, and it?s only right for those stories to save Touma in the end. It?s all over this episode, even before humanity rewrites its ending. It?s in Primitive Dragon saving Touma from an endless fall, just to find out what story he?ll tell next. Yuri?s resurrection of the guild is down to a compelling story Touma told about friendship. Luna?s dream is to be a story that?ll let Touma write more stories. It?s the only power that ever really mattered, and Touma had it even before he chose to become a Kamen Rider. Hell, it?s the reason being a Kamen Rider chose him. Even the OG Master Logos is here, expressing his relief that the war between his friends has finally come to an end and the world can continue to nurture humanity with its stories. He's a much nicer man than his descendant. Quote:
While I mentioned there was a reason they aged Luna up given officially, I can?t help but now think it was really so they could get away with killing her onscreen. At one point, the writer considered having her brought back in her child form in the new Wonder World, with Touma being similarly reverted, so they could make up for their lost time.
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However, I definitely have some stuff to talk about for Revice The Mystery and Beyond Generations, so I'll see you then. George is cool, at least. He was even the co-protagonist for a fanfic I wrote. Oh hey, haven't seen these guys in a long time. Good to know that despite their failing business (I guess Shoutarou, White Woz and Mondo never found them), they're keeping their chins up and planning for the next chapter of their story. Quote:
But! That's not important. I want to finally share my Favorite Kamen Rider Saber fanwork. This was finished right after the finale (so no spoilers) and while Saber was a series that frustrated me at many turns, I love all the more how good this video is at bringing out Saber's coolest moments. Hope you enjoy!
https://youtu.be/jB800_UV1zE
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03-17-2023, 10:11 AM | #1113 |
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On that note, I think this is a good time to declare my intention to step back a little for your next thread. Thinking and talking about Revice weekly often felt like a chore and I had to take a 12 week hiatus to get through it. So, thinking and talking about Revice daily? Uh, not for me. Good luck.
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03-17-2023, 10:28 AM | #1114 |
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Totally fair! I expect participation in the Revice thread to be lower due to the show still being fresh in everyone else's mind, and not exactly ripe for reexamination. Sorry to do it so close to the conclusion of the show! If it's any consolation, this'll be the last Watch Thread that goes up this close to the original airing. I like when there's more of a gap, for sure.
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03-17-2023, 05:36 PM | #1115 |
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Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Saber Episode 48
If you remember how I said I was never the biggest fan of Dragonic Knight's debut episode because I couldn't help but compare it to the equivalent point of Ghost, I have similar sentiments about this epilogue for Saber. It's a solid enough episode I wanted to be much better, but the standards I'm holding to are also maybe unfair. With Ghost, it's like, that show essentially had three final episodes all in a row, and each one of them completes part of the whole. You can't have any one without the other two in my mind. But with Saber, you know, Hasegawa just wrote an epic four-part conclusion that already tied everything up as much as you could want. This show's version of Takeru telling Ayumu (and the audience) he'll always be with him happened last time, when Touma told the audience (literally the audience) thank you. After that finale, I don't even know what I could ask out of Saber to better encapsulate its themes than they already have. So putting all that aside, and trying to look at it on its own merits, this episode is... I don't know, actually, it still always feels weirdly off to me? The obvious thing to point to is how Revice is integrated, but the whole energy of this thing feels wrong for Saber, and it makes it hard for me to feel comfy while watching it. And as someone who's seen Revice, it doesn't feel right for that show's vibe either, which is admittedly much more understandable. It's strange -- there's way too much to like about this episode for it to feel right just dumping on it. There's plenty of strong character work and solid thematic stuff at its core, with smart decisions like framing most of the weight on Kento, the guy who logically would take that extra bit of time to find a direction for himself in a world at peace. And even if it can be considered the root of a lot of the issues here, I appreciate the sort of community-minded spirit of Saber to bring back TV crossovers with both Sentai and the next Rider show. It's just, it always feels like a bit less than the sum of its parts to me, this one. Definitely not my favorite episode either, definitely still a decent enough note to go out on, but part of me is always going to wonder about what it would've been like if it were more than just decent.
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Best part of the finale? Sophia just chilling.
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So putting all that aside, and trying to look at it on its own merits, this episode is... I don't know, actually, it still always feels weirdly off to me? The obvious thing to point to is how Revice is integrated, but the whole energy of this thing feels wrong for Saber, and it makes it hard for me to feel comfy while watching it. And as someone who's seen Revice, it doesn't feel right for that show's vibe either, which is admittedly much more understandable.
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03-17-2023, 08:10 PM | #1118 |
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It's just, it always feels like a bit less than the sum of its parts to me, this one. Definitely not my favorite episode either, definitely still a decent enough note to go out on, but part of me is always going to wonder about what it would've been like if it were more than just decent.
She's got a lot less to worry about now! I'm glad that she can relax a little.
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SERIES WRAP-UP
I think I’d rather have rewatched Kamen Rider Saber than have watched Kamen Rider Saber. It’s a series that improves in the memory, even with less than a day since I watched the final episode. So many of the early choices that annoyed me end up paling in comparison to the joy the final string of episodes delivered. It’s all one unit of entertainment in my brain now, and it’s almost all positive feelings and associations: the delight of a show dedicated to the almost biological need for storytelling; the warmth of a cast that only ever became more entertaining; the excitement of a stunt team that left it all on the field. It’s a hard show to dislike, when it’s all said and done. It’s also a hard show to like in the moment, which is the one negative feeling I’ll probably keep with me forever, right alongside Rintaro’s charming guilelessness and Mei’s unstoppable support. So many decisions in the early-going (and even a few later in the run) prize narrative coherence over dramatic appeal, and it makes the Getting To Know You stage of this show more of a slog than it needed to be. Effects frequently debut before causes, as the show rushes to fill out its world and bulk up its roster. We’re left early on with the feeling that This Is All Important Somehow, rather than being swept away with tight plotting and relatable situations. There’s so little to hold onto, just as the show is throwing more at you. Eventually all of those things make sense, have a place, but it’s rarely when they’re first presented. Like, even in the late era of the show, when everything feels intentional and compelling: the Four Divine Sages. Isaac mentions them as a thing, but then immediately tells us that they were all killed off-screen. It’s, at the time, needlessly distracting information. A thing we never knew existed (or was maybe mentioned in passing once) was extremely important, but it’s also already dead and don’t think about it. Except, it’s crucial to drop that in the show at that point, because the show’s going to need those four to be outstanding sub-bosses for one of the best finales a Kamen Rider show ever had. It’s never pointless, even if it’s dramatically frustrating on your first watch. And that’s sort of the whole show for me? That anecdote? It literally all works, even if it also completely doesn’t for large stretches. There’s an argument to be made that the producers valued the book over the chapter, which is probably the way I’d negatively describe this show. But, god, what a book. I do think I loved it, at the end. It’s the cast, if I need to pick a favorite thing. I liked what the show was doing thematically, with how storytelling needs to be defended in a world that wants to either weaponize it or invalidate it. I liked what it said about belief and faith, even if those topics aren’t as exciting for me to explore as others. (Sorry!) I liked the setting of a bookshop, even if it was only Kento that managed to bring any customers in. (Another minor gripe: the show barely used the bookshop setting to generate stories. Maybe three times, over the whole run?) I liked the workplace dramedy structure, where the Sword of Logos and its goals were as big a threat to our heroes as any monster. But, no, it’s the cast that made this show for me. Almost absurd that a cast this large, an ensemble this deep, should all be so integral to the show’s success. If you’d only given me Touma, Rintaro, Kento, and Mei, I’d still herald this show as one of the best casts. To then enhance it with Ogami, with Daishinji, with Yuri, with Desast, with Reika, with Ryoga, even with Ren… gosh, it’s hard to imagine another show topping this one for acting talent and cleverly-written characters. I’m going to be thinking about these sword-wielding goofballs for a very long time. I had a good time with this show, even if it frequently didn’t feel that way. I enjoyed the experience. But I’m really looking forward to rewatching it someday.
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Saber definitely feels like a show that grows on a rewatch, in my case though I suppose I cheated slightly. In which I kept up with the raws of Saber but had yet to watch subs. I tried to watch with subs at different points, Genm Corp, Tv-Nihon, I ended up sticking with IzuSubs because of well, the happenings around those first two groups. So I ended up going through this show repeatedly while it was airing. And that might've ended up helping a lot in the end? It's like you further describe in your post about how plot points are dispersed but paid off in different ways. Of course though, I am glad that you really enjoyed the cast. For an ensemble of Riders, they really end up being a lot of fun.Like, after quite a while of fairly antagonistic Secondary Riders that eventually warm up after meeting with the protagonist enough... Rintaro was such a nice breath of fresh air? He's like, the standout of the cast for me alongside Mei, that month of Kamen Rider Blades man, it really was some good stuff. But of course I'd be remiss to not mention literally every other character and why I love them. Daishinji, Ogami, Desast, Yuri, etc. Like... I just look at the big cast of everyone from this show, smile and basically say "I really like them". This cast just clicked in a way that few shows rarely do for me. And really, it's thanks to them that they were able to help carry Saber so far. While we had a lot of crazy plot hooks, and power-ups, and fights, the ensemble cast of characters were the heart of the show, and helped fill in what needed to be filled in. Saber's a bit of a punching bag (though slightly less now thanks to Revice) for the fandom, but I will still gladly and loudly proclaim that I love Kamen Rider Saber, and I consider it one of my favorite Rider shows of all time. |
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