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08-14-2022, 10:36 AM | #11 |
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Ugh. I thought I wouldn't have anything to say about this last few episodes, and just have fun watching George be evil, but the whole climax of this episode kinda really ticked me off?
It reminded me a lot of the exact same problems I had with Beyond Generations, which featured a parent doing unspeakably terrible things, but it's all fine because they still loved their kid. Like hello? Masumi stuffed a demon into George? That's an insane and ridiculous thing to do to your child, and who cares if it was 'out of love'? And that's on top of generally being repsonsible for all that Vail stuff. I've typically loved when the show focused on its themes on family, but I felt that this episode in particular, just like that movie, leaned into it in a really boneheaded and reductive way. |
08-14-2022, 11:45 AM | #12 |
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What's not a joke is that I really dislike Ikki's position in the conflict this week. Masamune is not someone Geroge should have to accept. It doesn't matter that he loved his son; whenever it mattered, he chose wrong. George may go about his pain in the wrong way, but I don't think the conclusion he reached was the wrong one. Cutting Masamune out of his life feels like the right choice for him. In the end, the man has caused him more pain and trauma than he has done him good. Sometimes not having a family is better than having one.
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08-14-2022, 11:51 AM | #13 |
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I agree with the statement that Masamune is guilty before George, but there is one thing... Masamune is dead. He can no longer correct his mistakes and cannot be punished for them. And if George's attitude towards his dead father causes George to harm the living people, he must change that relationship. At least outwardly.
He defiantly needs to come to grips with his lose in a different way, but pretending Masamune was a good father feels like the wrong solution to me.
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08-14-2022, 11:54 AM | #14 |
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Uh, you guys, Masamune isn't even a character in this show.
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08-14-2022, 11:59 AM | #15 |
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It seemed to me that he simply admitted that he loved and missed his father. I think George will still have a couple of lines to say whether he forgave his father or just reconciled to his actions.
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08-14-2022, 12:54 PM | #16 |
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-The Karizaki family dynamic has always been...Complicated, providing a neat contrast to the Igarashi family life. It was one of the things I praised the show for earlier, not simply resolving the pain and anger that comes from such a complicated dynamic in a single episode. And well...........
- Ok, so, we can all agree that Ikki spinning Masumi giving George his demon as a good thing to be a bit silly, right? Other than that....I guess im fine with how things turned out? Yeah, you can make your own opinions on how truly shitty or good Masumi as a father was, but that doesn't deny George of his complicated desires to, y'know, reconcile with the guy and rebulid their relationship, and his regrets for not understanding his true feelings until he died, and his pride as a scientist (and anger of an abandonded child) to surpass his father. You can say "It's ridculous for George to still desire a connection to his father due to how much of an ass he was!" as much as you like...but I've found that it's a more common emotion for people with complicated relationships toward their families than you may think? (Look at me defending this 2-parter lol, i'm still pretty not fond on Juuga being the way we wrap their plotline up for the Karizakis.) -Speaking of plotlines I was never really fond of! Ikki's memory loss has reached its climax, he's forgotten all of his family, how unfortunate. As much as I didn't like the plotline from the moment it was intro'd and think it could be executed in better ways, I do admit all the actors in the Igarashi family do a wonderful job of selling the emotional pain of this whole ordeal. Now then..... -We all know what's going to happen next episode, right? I don't even need to say it. The only question is.......It's definitely not going to end tearfully, so how are we actually going to resolve this issue? Because, if the answer is just "*shrugs* Let's just make a new contract, dude!", I'm going to have the biggest headache. Ikki and Vice are the only demon-human pair with an actual contract, so the writers can free to do whatever they please with it. At the very least......let it at least manage to hit emotionally somehow. |
08-14-2022, 01:18 PM | #17 |
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I actually have no problem with George coming to the final conclusion that he still feels love for him. It makes sense. Both cherishing what they had and cutting him out are valid paths for him to take.
My gripe is more with the metatextual level of "He loved him, so it's fine" this episode seems to go with. Because, no, it's not fine. Wanting George to accept his father is fine, but I feel like it should come with the acknowledgment that what he did was wrong,in the episode this is resolved in. Because, quite frankly, it's ok to hurt the ones you love if you truly love them is not a good message to give, period.
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08-14-2022, 01:44 PM | #18 |
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-Speaking of plotlines I was never really fond of! Ikki's memory loss has reached its climax, he's forgotten all of his family, how unfortunate. As much as I didn't like the plotline from the moment it was intro'd and think it could be executed in better ways, I do admit all the actors in the Igarashi family do a wonderful job of selling the emotional pain of this whole ordeal. Now then.....
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-We all know what's going to happen next episode, right? I don't even need to say it. The only question is.......It's definitely not going to end tearfully, so how are we actually going to resolve this issue? Because, if the answer is just "*shrugs* Let's just make a new contract, dude!", I'm going to have the biggest headache. Ikki and Vice are the only demon-human pair with an actual contract, so the writers can free to do whatever they please with it. At the very least......let it at least manage to hit emotionally somehow.
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08-14-2022, 03:44 PM | #19 |
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This is pretty much where I'm at on this plotline as well. Like yeah, the ending stinger of this ep with Ikki awkwardly smiling and whispering "Uh... Vice who are these people?" as Daiji and Sakura desperately try to grin and bear with the situation is amazingly well done, but like... I wasn't really invested in Ikki that much during the show, so him being "gone" doesn't really do a lot for me.
It's guarantied (in my opinion) to be a role reversal, Vice (as the MC's non-human companion) will be the one that losses all his memories, and then Ikki and will spend the rest of his days helping Vice make new ones. It's a cliche been done tons of times in other stories. |
08-14-2022, 04:18 PM | #20 |
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My theory about the end: Vice is disappearing after they break the contract through the fight, and as he does, Ikki tells him to make another contract, that he'll never leave him alone and to stay. Vice agrees to it.
Music cuts abruptly and the scene zooms out, as Vice has stopped disappearing. Everyone is just stunned because no one thought that would work. No dramatics, Vice is now okay, and Ikki's got his memories back. |
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