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04-16-2022, 12:07 AM | #691 |
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04-16-2022, 12:10 AM | #692 |
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-Episode 28!
-Of course, Revive has a drawback, and of course Geiz will take that shit anyway, have you met the guy? -Now I remember, it was this conversation that made me really enjoy Uncle. Such a good side character, man. -It's kind of hilarious how much Another Zi-O is like more of a plot device for this arc more than anything? Need a way for Woz to get the Beyondriver? A reason to explore Sougo's past? A quick fight/distraction for X character? Do I have the MOTW for you! Sure it's technically part of the ongoing plot, but I feel like Hiryuu's own angst has no room to breathe or be explored a bit more with everything going on.....It's a bit of a letdown for an Another Rider based on the protagonist. -I'm nuetral on Ora and Heure, but man do I hate Swartz. More on that later, though! For now, let's say he gives out an equal amount of "You exist, I guess..." energy as the other two, but the show's attempts to paint him the most mysterious/scheming/strongest Time Jacker while still being Pretty Boring is somehow a bigger disappointment? |
04-16-2022, 12:18 AM | #693 |
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It's kind of hilarious how much Another Zi-O is like more of a plot device for this arc more than anything? Need a way for Woz to get the Beyondriver? A reason to explore Sougo's past? A quick fight/distraction for X character? Do I have the MOTW for you! Sure it's technically part of the ongoing plot, but I feel like Hiryuu's own angst has no room to breathe or be explored a bit more with everything going on.....It's a bit of a letdown for an Another Rider based on the protagonist.
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04-16-2022, 02:49 AM | #694 |
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Well I didn’t have much to say about the episode when it first came out (beyond a joke about the next episode a few people on kissasian found funny enough to upvote), so I’ll share some BTS fun facts.
The actor playing Woz had initially auditioned for the role of Sougo (they didn’t decide he was in high school until the guy they went with ended up being 17 years old) The character designer said that if he’d been given more time and a greater budget, he would’ve given Black Woz a more distinct Rider form rather than recycling White Woz’s. |
04-16-2022, 05:15 AM | #695 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP27)
I was all prepared to give some huge rave about that Uncle/Sougo scene, but it kinda warms my heart to see everyone already seems to get everything I could say about it. Conversations between those two are generally a highlight of the show, but this particular one is a shining example of what I mentioned earlier about how well the show put its earlier, arguably weaker episodes in a more nuanced context retroactively. When you watch those first couple episodes, it's like, you're just wondering why Sougo's uncle is so weirdly not-pushy with him, and you can probably write it off as that just being his weird character quirk or whatever, but along comes this episode, which reframes all that in a way that's real and emotional and sad and touching. He treats Sougo that way because Sougo was a little kid going through a lot at a young age, and Junichirou wanted to be as supportive and caring as possible, to the point where it maybe became a fault. I mean, it's one of those things where I feel like me trying to explain it ruins the point of why I like the scene so much, which is how it can get you thinking all this and making these connections with just a few lines of dialogue that don't even hit you over the head with it that much. There's a particular flavor I feel Zi-O's character drama has that I've always felt is different from most of the other recent Rider shows, and I struggle to describe it. The current version of my theory about that, thinking about the series a lot thanks to this thread, is that maybe, it's because I like how small and personal the emotions end up being, despite the scale of the story? Like, Sento around this point in Build was constantly worried about the ethical ramifications of scientific progress, and the weight of his own past actions as someone who had developed weapons, and stuff like that, you know? I don't need to tell anyone that Build's themes were thoughtful and interesting in their own right, but I bring it up to highlight the contrast when I say how nice I find it that Zi-O could take a story about a future despot and two soldiers from a ruined tomorrow trying to change fate, and ultimately make it about a kid trying to grow into the adult he wants to be, and how much his friendships mean to him. That's a core part of the appeal of any fantasy story to me -- how you take those outrageous concepts and explore something immediately identifiable and relatable with them -- and with how Zi-O handles that, especially during this stretch, I guess it's hardly surprising that, exactly as I suggest in that old post, it ended up being a favorite for me. It's on a long list of favorites, mind you, but still! I don't even know why I was still pretending to have my doubts by this point. I really was Geiz! All this is to say, I liked the episode a lot! We're over to Tasaki on direction now, too, which extra sells how important this arc is. I adore touches like the way the usual cold open is handled, as well. This is the first ever time since the premiere that we don't open directly on Woz, because the visual of Geiz and Zi-O fighting kinda says it all. I also loved the Woz VS Woz action in this one, which I'm sure is another opinion that doesn't need much explaining. "Indeed, the power of Kamen Rider Woz... is in the hands of Woz." might be one of my favorite lines in a show filled to the brim with lines I like (it's also a long list!), and it really highlights how good Keisuke Watanabe was at differentiating the two characters. White Woz has a completely different set of facial expressions, and it's impressive how much he starts to genuinely feel like a completely different person. Also! The BGM accompanying the one true Woz's transformation is pretty great! While I praise how different Sahashi's work on Zi-O is from usual, this one has him playing in his comfort zone a lot more, and proving that isn't a bad thing. This track is still very Woz, but it's also distinctly a little Den-O, and I dig it. Quote:
That track might have been played in brief snippets in part, but it has yet to be played in any significant capacity. I can confidently say that because I distinctly remember the first time the show really puts it to good use, and I have a good feeling you know what exactly that first time is too ^_^
Oh right! Thank you for mentioning this, because it also made me realize that I'm probably misinterpreting the song title here? I kind of assumed they just messed up using "II", but given there are quite a few pieces on the soundtrack that have a "2" at the end of them, in actuality, it might be as simple as this being the second motif for Zi-O, rather than one specifically for Zi-O II? It's grouped with the ones that are named after his upgrade forms though, so I don't know. Not that it matters either way, I guess.
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04-16-2022, 11:35 AM | #696 |
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I don't need to tell anyone that Build's themes were thoughtful and interesting in their own right, but I bring it up to highlight the contrast when I say how nice I find it that Zi-O could take a story about a future despot and two soldiers from a ruined tomorrow trying to change fate, and ultimately make it about a kid trying to grow into the adult he wants to be, and how much his friendships mean to him.
Like, you can have a show about how to use memories well (Den-O), or how to work with people you don't like (Ex-Aid), or how to accept yourself in the face societal indifference (Faiz), but all of those shows are really just individual flavors of Kuuga's main objective: teaching kids how to grow up into good adults. It's all just providing lessons on how to navigate adolescence, but from the perspective of each show's creative team. So it's sort of perfect for an anniversary show that wants to touch on every Heisei Rider show to explicitly make its story about how to get Sougo to become a good adult. It's not even subtext; the goal of the show's characters is to help Sougo become a well-rounded adult who makes the best decisions for himself and others. Anyway, yes! I also enjoy how this show is less concerned with Time Nonsense and global genocide, and more concerned with How Do We Grow Up Well.
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04-16-2022, 02:04 PM | #697 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 27 - ?THE DAY IT ALL BEGAN 2009?
It was fun to watch, though. I like Woz and dislike Hat Woz, so this episode?s triumph of The New Kamen Rider Woz is exactly the sort of story beat that forgives a lot of stalling. (This episode has a lot of stalling!) The cleverness of the Woz/Heure team is really thrilling, and I geeked out over them full-on outsmarting Hat Woz. Woz is just cool, I guess. I like how the performance has modulated a bit more into something that feels less? manic? Woz has been humbled by the strategies of Hat Woz, and he?s come out the other side a man of renewed dedication, but less certainty. He can?t just sit back and let the future play out; he?s going to have to speak up for what he wants. Quote:
Which leads us into Uncle?s speech to Sougo. I really loved it! It?s nothing we didn?t already know about Sougo (he?s hiding how much it hurts him to lose his friends, even briefly), but it reinforces how difficult it?s been for Uncle to be the best guardian for a lonely boy with strange aspirations. Uncle?s constant need to be a positive force has maybe given Sougo the wrong template of adulthood, creating a sad boy who doesn?t want to burden people with his unhappiness. That?s not great for a kid, and it?s probably extra not great for a budding time overlord. Sougo can?t live his life in isolation, smiling through his pain. He needs to be honest and vulnerable in his need for connection, like everyone does. As a corollary to Tsukuyomi?s lesson about putting Sougo on a pedestal, Sougo can?t put himself on a pedestal, either. He needs to treat his emotional concerns with the same validity he treats the emotional concerns of others. He can?t save people unless he can save himself.
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Otherwise, he?d be Geiz, who is single-minded in his urge to reach emotional catharsis by fighting someone who is Definitely Not Anyone He Cares About to the death. Most of Geiz?z stuff this episode is, like Sougo?s, not really new information, but it?s handled as deftly as a Cards On The Table episode can manage. He feels guilty over Tsukuyomi?s trip to 2009 and her presumed murder/suicide bus tour. He?s practically re-energized by Woz?z pep talk about the Revive watch?s list of side effects. (Side effects include: dry mouth, minor headache, minor diarrhea, heart stoppage, and chapped lips.) He?s mostly just wandering around this episode, waiting for his chance to kill Definitely Not His Best Friend.
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It?s that sort of episode? Beyond a new, better Kamen Rider Woz, and Uncle?s impressively delivered chastisement of Sougo?s bullshit sunny demeanor, this is mostly just an episode that fills in backstory and begins to connect series arc dots. We get to see some of Sougo?s ?dream?, revealed here to be some weirdo test by Swartz to reveal Zi-O?s identity, but it?s not a pressing detail for Zi-O or Geiz?z present. It?s stuff that matters to the series, but not to the characters.
Junichiro: Am I a joke to you? Pointing out about Sougo potentially turning into a ruler without empathy...
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04-16-2022, 02:38 PM | #698 |
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So Tsukasa just abandoned all those 2009 kids to the mercy of the Dai Mazines on the Day of Oma, huh? I wonder what DreamSword thinks about this.
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 27 - ?THE DAY IT ALL BEGAN 2009?
It was fun to watch, though. I like Woz and dislike Hat Woz, so this episode?s triumph of The New Kamen Rider Woz is exactly the sort of story beat that forgives a lot of stalling. (This episode has a lot of stalling!) The cleverness of the Woz/Heure team is really thrilling, and I geeked out over them full-on outsmarting Hat Woz. Woz is just cool, I guess. I like how the performance has modulated a bit more into something that feels less? manic? Woz has been humbled by the strategies of Hat Woz, and he?s come out the other side a man of renewed dedication, but less certainty. He can?t just sit back and let the future play out; he?s going to have to speak up for what he wants. Quote:
Which leads us into Uncle?s speech to Sougo. I really loved it! It?s nothing we didn?t already know about Sougo (he?s hiding how much it hurts him to lose his friends, even briefly), but it reinforces how difficult it?s been for Uncle to be the best guardian for a lonely boy with strange aspirations. Uncle?s constant need to be a positive force has maybe given Sougo the wrong template of adulthood, creating a sad boy who doesn?t want to burden people with his unhappiness. That?s not great for a kid, and it?s probably extra not great for a budding time overlord. Sougo can?t live his life in isolation, smiling through his pain. He needs to be honest and vulnerable in his need for connection, like everyone does. As a corollary to Tsukuyomi?s lesson about putting Sougo on a pedestal, Sougo can?t put himself on a pedestal, either. He needs to treat his emotional concerns with the same validity he treats the emotional concerns of others. He can?t save people unless he can save himself.
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Agreed. Kamen Rider Woz looks best in silver. No point changing a suit that already looks awesome!
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04-16-2022, 02:58 PM | #699 |
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I don't know if this change is also partially caused by Geiz and Tsukuyomi barging in, as Sougo's stronger feelings of loneliness in this case might be caused by a real chance of him getting actual friends that is snubbed away from him here, which leads to Junichiro to act up here and scold him (Junichiro's still the main player and biggest contributor here though!).
Not sure! I think Heure's character is the most interesting of the Time Jackers, but he's so tiny. Like, smaller than Chalice tiny. Very difficult to not get weirded out by seeing an actor that small get roughed up by monsters.
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04-16-2022, 03:21 PM | #700 |
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I recall he does grow a few inches towards the end of the show, although he doesn't quite reach Okuno's height. Sougo and Heure are both characters with a cheerful appearance, so I can imagine Itagaki could've made the mannerisms work at least. I'm glad they decided to go with Okuno though. I heard that his henshin pose was something he came up with, using his proficiency at ballet.
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