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04-23-2022, 02:33 AM | #781 |
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Well there’s no song for this, but I can still show it off.
“Geiz and Woz. Three powers come together to a more powerful Zi-O, Zi-O Trinity” And this is why they didn’t have multiple Wozs running around. Because it would get too confusing once Trinity showed up. And speaking of behind the scenes trivia, Diend’s return (along with Bandai shoehorning him representing Secondaries, even though his thing was more movie Riders in Decade proper) was not planned. Mashiro Inoue pointed out that it wouldn’t make sense for Decade to go somewhere without Diend following him, and gave up one of his filming dates so they could introduce him. Though it’ll be a while before he appears again, since the show runners hadn’t decided what role he’d play. And now, I’ll borrow Fish’s old gimmick from the Blade thread… again. Learning About Something You Are Not Supposed to Know About The Easy WEIII… So around January of 2019, toy catalogues leaked Zi-O Trinity’s existence (but not its design) early, and some moron went on Twitter and asked Shirakura about it, to which he replied “You are not supposed to know about Trinity”. When someone else tried to pass it off as him talking about Agito Trinity, but the moron persisted and made it clear he was talking about Zi-O Trinity. Anyway, because of that incident, no more toy catalogues have been printed for Rider since, with every new rider/form reveal coming courtesy of magazine scans (with the exception of Kamen Rider Saikou, who was unexpectedly released at Christmas 2020 with no warning and only a trailer to hint he even existed). And speaking of Shirakura’s Twitter, when asked how they’d handle Another Agito, since there was already Kamen Rider Another Agito, his response was that they might simply reuse that costume… Last edited by Androzani84; 04-23-2022 at 05:38 AM.. |
04-23-2022, 09:10 AM | #782 |
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Sorry if it sounded like I was passing it off as fact though, I probably should have made it more clear that it was a rumor. Quote:
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 30 - ?2019 - WE?VE BECOME A TRINITY!?
I?m a little conflicted about Zi-O Trinity, though. I don?t know that it fits great in a story about exactly two Legend Riders, but that?s not a deal-breaker. (But: BLADE WAS EXPLICITLY A FOUR RIDER SHOW.) It?s more that? the Geiz and Woz stuff felt a little rushed to me? I can see how the show might mean this quick resolution to the Geiz/Woz conflict. Geiz still doesn?t like or forgive Woz, but he?s willing to put aside his animosity for the greater good; specifically, Sougo?s vision of the future. Sougo?s built such a massive amount of trust in Geiz that Geiz wants to live up to Sougo?s example. Grudges are toxic. Why shackle yourself to recriminations about the past when you could be working together to build a better future? Quote:
For example, if the actions of White Woz cause him to poof out of existence, then so too shouldn't the Time Note and the BeyonDriver?
Heck, even ignoring that, why does he even get erased to begin with, considering it was already established that he came from an alternate timeline anyway? This is starting to become less and less "the rules have changed" and more of Decade's' "there are no rules" and for me, that's not a good sign! Especially if I'm not having fun! Quote:
And then there's my biggest point of contention: All of the stuff relating to Blade. I already talked about how I don't like that they got rid of the "erased show" aspect of the plot, as I felt they lead to really interesting stories, but there's a budget to contend with, I get it. Doesn't mean I can't dislike all the other changes that shouldn't really be concerned with that though. For example, as interesting a concept as Amane as Another Blade is, she doesn't at all inhibit being the opposite of Kenzaki like the other Anothers did.
Finally, there's the way this all ends up really undermining Blade's' ending. Not only does Kenzaki somehow make it right to where he needs to be in an impossible amount of time for this conflict to happen(and in a very out of character way, mind you), but again, it's all really rushed for what should otherwise be an incredibly huge moment for both characters. Then there's the fact that Hajime wasn't a human originally, and yet he gets "cured" the exact same way as Kenzaki, which makes no sense. And last in all of this is how easily the Sealing Stone gets erased, which was established as being impossible in Blade proper. The weirdest part of this arc though, is how OOC Kenzaki is. Even with White Woz using his Future Note to manipulate the Jokers in to fighting, Kenzaki acting like he's just a pawn of fate with no free will of his own is totally the opposite of the guy I remember, who would bend fate to his will. He was supposed to be on the opposite side of the planet or something, but he comes back like 5 minutes after Hajime henshining and decides he has no choice but to end the world. I just don't get his motivation here at all.
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The weirdest part of this arc though, is how OOC Kenzaki is. Even with White Woz using his Future Note to manipulate the Jokers in to fighting, Kenzaki acting like he's just a pawn of fate with no free will of his own is totally the opposite of the guy I remember, who would bend fate to his will. He was supposed to be on the opposite side of the planet or something, but he comes back like 5 minutes after Hajime henshining and decides he has no choice but to end the world. I just don't get his motivation here at all.
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04-23-2022, 10:06 AM | #784 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP30)
Zi-O Trinity was my pick for best suit design of 2019 in Switchblade's usual year-end thread, and as much as I'll be happy to tell Die all about Rising Hopper soon enough, I still stand by that decision no question. It's pretty handily my favorite Zi-O form, for sure. The suit itself is cool, and everything around the suit is even cooler, thus further coloring my opinion of the design. I'm even happy it's the suit that killed catalog scans, because Trinity was also the last in a long line of designs that I thought looked horrendously ugly at first based on a single low-resolution drawing, only to immediately see what they were going for once we got to see it properly. I mean, I remember thinking Dangerous Zombie looked bad at first. Dangerous Zombie. I honestly don't miss that part of the news cycle. But yeah, a lot of my attachment to Trinity indeed stems from how the show used it as much as the actual design. This was a really fun episode, and like I mention in the old post, the idea that I could even say that about a Kamen Rider thing that also wants to give Blade an epilogue speaks volumes. I've talked a few times lately in these threads about how there are certain Rider shows I just feel aren't asking to be followed up on, and Blade was always way up there. I don't know if I've ever put it this way before, but it's not really about trying to "resolve" the story ruining the ending, because that finale will always be great. It's more about how *because* that was such a strong point to leave Blade on, trying to add on to that is liable to come of as tacky, and that's putting an unfortunate weight on whatever new story you're trying to tell. I don't even have an elaborate explanation of why I ended up feeling this way, but somehow, these episodes didn't come off as tacky at all to me. It did pretty much exactly the thing I explicitly did not want to ever see for years and years, and made me like it, because I guess Zi-O had just won me over that much. The stuff with Blade in them is really enjoyable, and the stuff with Sougo and everyone else is maybe even better. Oh, and before I forget, we've got the latest evolution of that Toki no Ouja motif here, with Trinity's theme. It's a track for Zi-O that finally sounds a little more traditionally heroic, which really fits the tone of this part of the show, and what Trinity represents about it perfectly. Oma Zi-O never had friends to combine with, right? The future's looking a lot brighter than expected for a lot of people right now, and hey, maybe that's why I legitimately like the place Kenzaki and Hajime end up in here! It stops mattering how much it fits as part of Blade's story, because it's a fantastic part of Zi-O's before it's anything else.
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Busy twelve hours in the thread! Okay! Let's see what we've got!
I'm excited for Tsukuyomi to get her Shinnosuke appearance, hopefully! That girl's been through a lot, not least of which being rendered somewhat irrelevant by Woz'z integration into Team Zi-O, so I want her to have something work out that's just for her. Quote:
My favorite Trinity moment in Episode 30 was when the watch hand was rotating around for Sougo to take control, he bent over to position it directly at himself. That was super cute. Quote:
And... like, the Joker powers aren't gone. They're just locked up in Ridewatches. There's no saying that those Ridewatches can't get broken open and the world won't be in danger yet again. These guys maybe just got a reprieve, and nothing more. Quote:
But anyway, beyond all that, I do also love the idea that on this cursed date with the constellation in the sky, this is the day that Zi-O supposedly rises to power or becomes evil or something to that effect, but instead thanks to presumably the presence of Geiz and Woz, not just in this episode but just the fact they've been in Sougo's life, history has changed and so we get this new power that's a symbol of Sougo's friendship with these weirdos from the future. Really like that!
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I remember not liking this arc, purely because I thought sticking something like a proper ending to Hajime and Kenzaki's deal in-between trying to do Geiz/Woz character stuff, Kaito's appearance, and "Please go out and buy the Trinity Ridewatch!" felt a little....Weird, to say to least. Felt like they should've been more involved in changing their own fate, or something like that, was my sentiment. On my rewatch, I'm still not sure how to feel about it, but I do know that I'm glad they can live peacefully now. (And just like how Zi-O treats Kenzaki's former appearances, I can ignore this ending if I change my mind and loop back to disliking it in the future.)
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So Geiz and Woz becoming armor for Zi-O is symbolic of how they've become a part of his life and his future. This major event occurs on the dreaded Day of Oma, when Sougo was originally supposed to become the evil Oma Zi-O. But instead of that and instead of being killed by Geiz Revive, Sougo used the magic of friendship to merge those two timelines in to a single "Nexus Future"!
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Zi-O Trinity was my pick for best suit design of 2019 in Switchblade's usual year-end thread, and as much as I'll be happy to tell Die all about Rising Hopper soon enough, I still stand by that decision no question. It's pretty handily my favorite Zi-O form, for sure. The suit itself is cool, and everything around the suit is even cooler, thus further coloring my opinion of the design.
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04-23-2022, 12:32 PM | #786 |
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I just took it as the possibility of Hat Woz'z timeline collapsing once Geiz definitively sides with Sougo (and Woz) to create Zi-O Trinity. There's no longer a version of the future, theoretically, where Geiz kills Zi-O. Therefore, Hat Woz isn't a possibility, so he vanishes.
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It's a neat design! I've pretty much across-the-board disliked the Rider Armors and Futuring Times of Zi-O, but upgrade forms have been pretty great. I've always thought the base Zi-O suit design -- the whole watch motif -- was striking, and the upgrade suits have done a great job of adding clever flourishes to that starting point. The watchband ears on Trinity! Hilarious!
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04-23-2022, 02:26 PM | #787 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 30 - ?2019 - WE?VE BECOME A TRINITY!?
So, obviously, I have to comment on the monumental failure of this episode. How ? in the name of God and Seiji Takaiwa ? do you introduce Zi-O Trinity in a Blade tribute, instead of properly, in the Den-O tribute?! It?s a Den-O gimmick, you morons! You do it in the episode with Momotaros, at the very least! F MINUS. Quote:
That aside, this was a solid episode of Zi-O that maybe bit off more than it could chew.
I liked how this story managed to send Hajime and Kenzaki off happier than when they started. There?s the obvious emotional catharsis of Hajime and Amane navigating their relationship better as adults (I totally believe Amane depended on Hajime a little too much; I totally believe Hajime ran away without actually discussing things with Amane), but there?s also the resolution to the TV show?s Sword of Darkroaches that was hanging over our heroes. Locking the Joker powers up in two Ridewatches gives Team Zi-O the power of Legend Riders, and it also lets those Riders finally get a little bit of peace. It?s the exact opposite of the way the early episodes cut down heroes in their prime and just sort of shrugged at it. I like this new phase of storytelling for the Legend Riders! Actually the premise is interesting about White Woz's schemes to end the world due to how he never got his desired future, thus for spite he destroys the current world, and he uses Blade's premise to do that. But the resolution? Like Ultimate Kuuga or Odin... turn Joker into ordinary monster that can be beaten like usual MOTW, albeit a stronger one and needs stronger form. Older Rider adaptations would have some traits neglected which would not earn my faith for its adaptation, which kinda cheapens the resolution they got by making their predicament easier by neglecting the actual problem, compared to in-universe Riders that would have explanation for something 'immortal' being killed like Ghost Mugen's infinite loop against Ganmaizers as well as Lovelica being hit by fatal attack while time was stopped by Cronus. Unless Another Rider trait somehow has a weakness to not share Undead's inherent ability. Quote:
I don?t know that it fits great in a story about exactly two Legend Riders, but that?s not a deal-breaker. (But: BLADE WAS EXPLICITLY A FOUR RIDER SHOW.) It?s more that? the Geiz and Woz stuff felt a little rushed to me? I can see how the show might mean this quick resolution to the Geiz/Woz conflict. Geiz still doesn?t like or forgive Woz, but he?s willing to put aside his animosity for the greater good; specifically, Sougo?s vision of the future. Sougo?s built such a massive amount of trust in Geiz that Geiz wants to live up to Sougo?s example. Grudges are toxic. Why shackle yourself to recriminations about the past when you could be working together to build a better future?
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And then there's my biggest point of contention: All of the stuff relating to Blade. I already talked about how I don't like that they got rid of the "erased show" aspect of the plot, as I felt they lead to really interesting stories, but there's a budget to contend with, I get it. Doesn't mean I can't dislike all the other changes that shouldn't really be concerned with that though. For example, as interesting a concept as Amane as Another Blade is, she doesn't at all inhibit being the opposite of Kenzaki like the other Anothers did.
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Kenzaki had everything I needed to love him. A great arc, plenty of charisma, a cool fighting style, and, atleast the way I read him, he presented a lesson that I wish alot of other protagonists I've experienced did, which is: "Be kind, but don't be a pushover." Dude was never afraid to stand up for himself and to push back against those he felt was trying to take advantage of him.
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04-23-2022, 02:49 PM | #788 |
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So, Trinity Form, the thing we weren't supposed to know about. I think it's fine. There are better and worse suits. Honestly, I probably like it a bit more than its obvious predecessor: Climax Den-O. The body sharing gimmick is also fine. Geiz should arguably be a lot more opposed to it, but it's not like this is the first time that Geiz just stood back and watched to see how something would play out instead of doing something about it.
Again, though, this arc is all about the Blade reunion and I will always still love that. I don't mind that this kind of undoes the show's original ending, despite the fact that I literally just complained about RT Ryuki kind of undoing that show's original ending. Part of that is that this is by far a more upbeat resolution; nobody we care about dies (and neither does Amane). Instead, we get to see Kenzaki and Hajime reunite as friends, which I love. I also get a stronger sense that this isn't meant to be permanent: at some point, the Ridewatch powers are going to go back to where they belong, making this more of a reprieve for the Jokers, rather than a permanent fix. This arc is also a great example of how much better the show works without the time travel gimmick. We got some actual continued development for the guest stars instead of seeing them playing shells of their original characters who don't even remember being Kamen Riders. It is a much better approach to handling the legacy tributes and it's no coincidence that I think all of Zi-O's best crossover episodes happen in this back half of the show. Without spoiling how the show did handle it, I am still disappointed that they didn't go with something called Another Another Agito. |
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This arc is also a great example of how much better the show works without the time travel gimmick. We got some actual continued development for the guest stars instead of seeing them playing shells of their original characters who don't even remember being Kamen Riders. It is a much better approach to handling the legacy tributes and it's no coincidence that I think all of Zi-O's best crossover episodes happen in this back half of the show.
Anotherer Agito.
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 31 - “2001 - AWAKEN YOUR AGITO!”
As far as third act reveals go, Tsukuyomi Might Be A Time Jacker is one of the least surprising. Ever since the first episode (I think?), there’s been that shot in the opening credits of Tsukuyomi descending a flight of stairs, flanked by vanishing Time Jackers. The none-too-subtle implication is that Tsukuyomi’s history is tied up with the Time Jackers, and that she’s probably one of them. I don’t 100% know if that’s where they’re going, but it seems likely. It gives Tsukuyomi a storyline, which she desperately needs. It gives her a personal goal, separate from the boys, which matters even more. (There’s a point where Woz takes over the exposition for Tsukuyomi’s backstory from Tsukuyomi, and I wanted to scream JESUS CHRIST AT LEAST LET HER DELIVER HER OWN GODDAMN BACKSTORY so badly.) And it, of all things, gives her a hook for this two-parter. I mean, the hook is basically that they gave Tsukuyomi Shouichi’s character profile almost in its entirety, but: baby steps. Yeah, Tsukuyomi is revealed to be an amnesiac do-gooder with a made-up name who fears her growing power, and what her friends might think of it, while the villains attempt to understand her significance to their schemes. It’s incredibly on-the-nose. We went from blank slate to Shouichi With Bangs in about two scenes, and it’s a little clunky. Like, apropos of absolutely nothing, Sougo just flat out asks Tsukuyomi for her backstory while Team Zi-O is walking down the street. It’s not the smoothest writing ever? But I do like how Shouichi’s journey is a good template for what Tsukuyomi’s bound to learn: labels are pointless, never be afraid to be true to yourself, and trust in your friends to care about you. (If no one says Tsukuyomi Is Tsukuyomi, I’m going to completely lose my shit. It’s right there!!!) That part of Agito was my favorite, give or take a Houjou. I liked how it was a series about suspicion, and mistrust, and how we fear losing acceptance even as we sometimes resent the need for it; but then finding out that we can only be our best selves when we stop thinking of ourselves as less than our best selves. Real self-improvement only happens with self-acceptance. There’s a serenity to that message, and it was such a huge part of the Shouichi character. It’s fantastic to see that the actor still has it, that warmth and tranquility. Just seeing Shouichi was a delight, and this episode delivered some very fun additional Agito alums. Omuro, captain of the still-hopeless G3 Unit! Mana, looking only vaguely like she should be adorned in timepieces, but still working in food service! And Anotherer Agito, who is now some sort of zombie that wants to turn G3 operators/equippers into more Agitos! (Hoping Hikawa is Anotherer Agito, because him desperately wanting to be a powerful hero and it endangering all of his coworkers is a super-duper Hikawa story.) I thought this did an amazing job tying Tsukuyomi’s need for a backstory/relevance into an Agito homage. It’s more directly related to Team Zi-O than the Blade story was last time, while still managing to feel like the Agito cast has skin in the game. Another good episode in this new era!
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