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04-19-2021, 10:50 AM | #1 |
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I kind of felt the movie was a little too dark. |
04-27-2021, 09:44 AM | #2 |
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Real quick since I have no idea where to fit this in, but I do like how we have a week long mission in space to keep Aruto out of the picture.
Anyway I'm not sure what qualifies as dark aside from maybe like two scenes, both at the tail end of it. So I wouldn't say it's all dark, but it definitely ends in a more surprising way than before. Especially since this is one of the few V-Cinema's to actually continue to the next. But I do like what they were going for here. And really watching RealXTime before this sort of helps strengthen the sort of thing I was talking about with Ark. The reason the original Ark was mostly unstoppable was because it was just a boring killing machine that lacked any true personality aside from 'kill'. And I mentioned that Lucifer alongside the Abaddon's really represent that side of the Ark. Just the unwavering appetite for destruction and chaos. Meanwhile you have Azu who thinks that negative emotions such as anger, sorrow, etc, are key to bearing a new Ark. But time and time again, Aruto, Horobi, S... all of them end up wavering because of there's more to sentience than just those negative emotions. So we bring in Lyon Arkland who is actually one of my favorite V-Cinema villains honestly. He's charismatic, has a fun little gimmick to make him entertaining (his English and the noises he makes are amazing). And he makes an absolute good point that Azu's method isn't going to work. So he goes to a simpler way to drive constant conflict, Justice vs Justice and I think it works well. Because he's dealing with Metsubojinrai, all individuals who feel strongly about certain things and he knows exactly how to push their buttons. So that's why his plan ends up working for the most part, but as is the case with Thousandriver Riders, his hubris is what causes this to collapse. He was so concerned with making a new enemy, he wasn't concerned with how powerful that entity might become, especially when it comes to a being made of four unified and frankly strong wills. If there's one scene I absolutely loved though, it was the scene of Fuwa and Horobi. Horobi asking if Fuwa would be willing to put them down if it came down to it. I think he realized that this might go pear shaped and he wanted to at least ensure one person would see through to ending what they start. It was just a really nice scene. And it all culminates in surprisingly the only real blood fest we get this movie of Lyon dying while spouting "Zaia Forever!" and just smacking into the ground. And then Metsubojinrai standing in the wreckage of Zaia Japan as all four members just scream out in anguish. Also I find it kind of hilarious how Metsubojinrai itself is voiced by the Monkey Majik members who provided the voices for the Zero-One equipment. I suppose that's one way to sort of push the "Humagears are just weapons and tools" thing that Arkland was going for. Oddly enough the way they work the speech into Metsubojinrai makes it rather unique as it's own entity. Also I guess we know why the credits song is named SOS now, and it is very, very literal. |
04-27-2021, 10:13 AM | #3 |
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I'm just gonna quickly put out there as someone who's seen just about all of them except the Showa stuff and the reboots... this is one of my top 10 Rider Movies. Ever. I'm shocked at how this was not only solid, not only did it really bring Zero-One back to its roots of what it was really about, but done so in an extremely compelling way that perfectly balanced characterisation with its themes, something I found sorely lacking in 01 as a whole lately.
There's weak points, naturally -- stop me if you've heard this one before; but Naki and Raiden really get the shaft with no real scenes for they themselves and at worst they can feel like tagalongs to MBJR than their own characters. I'm mostly fine with this; aside from it just being the one flaw I'm happy to overlook at a fantastic whole, both of them already had enough development in-series and enough personal connections to make their motivations in this movie make sense. And frankly I'm always up for seeing one of my favourite characters with their funny jock friend no matter how little attention they get. Aside from that? Thrilling. Lyon Arkland is a bit like early-game Thouser but in so much hyperdrive he's straight up become a Metal Gear Solid villain with how insane, over-the-top and knee-deep in war profiteering he is and it's a joy to watch; especially with some thrown-in Kamen Rider English lines. God, his henshin device even uses DINOSAURS and says "I Am The President", I cannot get over how funny yet perfect this guy is; it's exactly what I wanted and even more beyond that for a 01 villain! I remember when we first saw ZAIA and MBJR's suits I was pretty displeased with the latter's design -- ZAIA I was fine with, black repaint with red eyes is always a winner; but MBJR I did not like at all. It didn't truly combine any of the team's traits, it looked like a generic robot warrior kind of thing, I didn't get any sense of characterisation off of it and it was a shame for me as someone who adores fusion forms in Kamen Rider. Turns out that's the point! Turns out that's thematically relevant, so take that, dumb fool Kurona from three months ago or whatever! The entire concept of MBJR consigning themselves to becoming a killing machine to take down ZAIA and sacrificing themselves for the common good, the sheer tragedy of that, the sheer fatalistic outlook they have... it's hard convey just how good it is. MBJR is a scary good performance. And then as Enchy above notes (can I call you that? Tell me if I can't), Fuwa walks in to do what the guy does best; practically force character development and interactions out of you in a way you simply have to love, and the subtle connections forged between he and Horobi here is compelling in a way I just did not expect. He doesn't get to do much in this movie but damn if his few scenes don't show why he's the MVP of this show. Like... this is just everything I wanted and didn't expect. Actual characterisation and development for Horobi and Jin (with an explanation, FINALLY, for how and why he was rebuilt; only took about a year since Slashriser pre-orders went up), actual dynamics and interactions between characters which lead them to the places they go and the people they become; a corporate enemy who's as wonderfully entertaining as he is threatening; and theming so strong it's impossible to miss. This is definitely part 1 of part 2, and I'm pointing desperately at Vulcan/Valkyrie going don't you dare mess this up, but as-is I'll be happy to take this movie as one that exceeded all my expectations. Zero-One is back Also has anyone ever done that SOLD pun before? Where it's a double meaning of SOLD being short for Soldier but also that they're literally being sold as products? This CAN'T be the first time that has happened right, that's surely so obvious, but I've never seen anyone do it before. This feels like when I saw the Dynaman bad guys were called Evilution
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04-27-2021, 10:58 AM | #4 |
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I will agree on your point that Naki and Raiden did feel a bit more like third wheels here. Since this was mostly a story about Jin, with Horobi, and then the two were sort of just there. Like even the opening title screen makes it clear that really the only two focus characters are Jin and Horobi, with Vulcan and Valkyrie showing up to sort of tease the second half of this set of V-Cinema's. I'm admittedly curious to see if Azu will rise from the dead or if she's gone now forever. Given Noa Tsurushima has I think third to the top billing in Vulcan and Valkyrie? (If not third then pretty high for people to notice). So it'll be interesting to see if Azu shows up again or if we'll end up getting some Zero-Two with Izu since our president up in the stars. |
04-27-2021, 11:00 AM | #5 |
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I'm admittedly curious to see if Azu will rise from the dead or if she's gone now forever. Given Noa Tsurushima has I think third to the top billing in Vulcan and Valkyrie? (If not third then pretty high for people to notice). So it'll be interesting to see if Azu shows up again or if we'll end up getting some Zero-Two with Izu since our president up in the stars.
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05-01-2021, 09:02 PM | #6 |
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I watched this earlier today and immediately knew I wanted to open a post about it with this screencap, but this is also a movie that deliberately leaves a bitter aftertaste, so everything I tried to write after that was coming out weirdly sour. Thankfully, Toei was kind enough to wash that taste right the heck out in my time of need, so I can now come in here and say... Yeah, it's pretty good, innit? I guess my other problem was just that I might not have much to say about it? I can't hope to match Kurona's level of enthusiasm here, but this was just a really gripping film with some strong characterization and solid themes. (As a huge Horobi fan, it was especially satisfying.) I went in having heard ~just~ enough vague discussion beforehand to have an idea where things were going, and it was still exciting watching those twists and turns play out, even. It maybe goes far enough with its dour tone that it won't be for everyone (Lyon's flawless English is the closest the film comes to having comedy), but even there, there's this meta notion that Aruto's unyielding kindness and optimism are just THAT crucial to this world that him being gone for a week causes everything to immediately descend into chaos, and I kind of love that? My favorite Zero-One things still definitely feature Zero-One, and this probably won't crack a list of my favorite V-Cinemas, but it was certainly something unique that was well worth the time. Looking forward to seeing how the second part of this duology puts this momentum to use.
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05-01-2021, 10:48 PM | #7 |
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I think my favorite part was Horobi's small interaction with Fuwa. It's something I needed in the show proper, actual interaction between riders that are outside of their own faction.
At first I didn't get what Horobi meant when he said "Would you forgive me if I killed your loved ones like Aruto did?" and Fuwa replies with "Nah bro, I'll destroy you!" to which Horobi laughs and admits that he himself is a fool. There's a lot of meanings to it. Horobi doesn't believe he should be able to get away with what he and his organization is about to do, and Fuwa's reply means that family is important first and foremost and also a double meaning that he basically gives Fuwa permission to strike him down when they do something drastic. A small interaction, but a very meaningful one. |
05-01-2021, 11:11 PM | #8 |
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I think my favorite part was Horobi's small interaction with Fuwa. It's something I needed in the show proper, actual interaction between riders that are outside of their own faction.
At first I didn't get what Horobi meant when he said "Would you forgive me if I killed your loved ones like Aruto did?" and Fuwa replies with "Nah bro, I'll destroy you!" to which Horobi laughs and admits that he himself is a fool. There's a lot of meanings to it. Horobi doesn't believe he should be able to get away with what he and his organization is about to do, and Fuwa's reply means that family is important first and foremost and also a double meaning that he basically gives Fuwa permission to strike him down when they do something drastic. A small interaction, but a very meaningful one. I feel like you don't really see stuff like that in v-cinemas, since they're basically extra material and you can live without them. It feels like such a real moment that we should have gotten in the show, though. |
05-01-2021, 11:22 PM | #9 |
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There's also the part with Yaiba having contact with the prime minister of defense, which is something that feels like should have been in the show. |
05-01-2021, 11:25 PM | #10 |
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Given how Ark-One was supposed to be in Azu's place in RealXTime, and the very ZAIA assisted nature of Thinknet...
And also just the fact that they seemed to be reworking Gai's role before Covid hit so they had to rush his redemption. Yeah it definitely seems like Williamson was supposed to have a bit of a different role aside from what we got. |
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