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07-17-2022, 06:20 AM | #11 |
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And it was also only about two or so episodes ago where Hiromi started feeling like he had a big stake in Daiji's whole situation, so his part here doesn't feel great either. Why is it Hiromi who ultimately brings back Daiji from the brink as opposed to Daiji's sibilings, or his father, or his mother?
Thing is, we don't really get to have scenes of Daiji and Hiromi actually interacting together, the best I can recall is when Hiromi confided in Daiji about his past and Daiji just blew him off, which is uh.... Not great. Quote:
Speaking of this arc and Evilyty Live as well. The production notes state that the form wasn't planned at all and Daiji's arc originally was supposed to end right at that duel. While I personally think ending it there and the rest just building Daiji's character and his relationships with the cast would be great, I'm not sure if it can even be handled if I personally think they didn't handle this current one we have either. So, I guess Daiji was just destined to be a very 'meh' character. |
07-17-2022, 07:51 AM | #12 |
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And you know what? Daiji's Arc being pivoted is all the better for it.
I still feel like in some ways, Hiromi sort of carved away any kind of meaningful stuff regarding the Fenix/Rider things from both Daiji and George, so they had less to work with when he just left. So like, Daiji was very much only ever going to be a sort of "there" character. Especially given his character at it's base core is very much him wanting to gravitate towards Fenix because of his sibling issues of wanting to stand out. And there's just not much to work with in Fenix when Hiromi sorta had all that already. I assume Bandai when they made the Holy Live toy thought it'd be a fun contrast of like having an Angel Rider, and the crew seeing this toy realized "Oh i guess we have to get rid of Evil now" given there was no other thing for Evil. And then they realized "Wait in the context of everything that happens, this doesn't feel right". And like, given everything that happens immediately after Holy Live, uh yeah they were right to pivot completely. Say what you will but the fact that people have been heatedly debating about Daiji and stuff is an actual good thing. Like it was hard for me to care about Daiji as a secondary because he... just did nothing aside from take orders from Fenix. When he finally started to go full tilt lawbro righteous and actively downward spiral, that's when I'm like, "I can see this new vision". I'd rarely see Daiji discussion at all before they made this shift. Really took him into the literal direction of the Twosidriver where he can be the best or worst character depending on the situation in the eyes of some people. |
07-17-2022, 12:32 PM | #13 |
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It's Episode 44!
-Hey so like. I get why it's happening (middle and youngest siblings are commonly closer to each other, the family being torn apart is probably The Worst for the youngest sibling) but like. anyone else get, uh, Bad Vibes from Sakura's involvement with the whole rouge Daiji plotline? Like, it kinda feels like the someone writing (almost) forgot Sakura's a Rider when it comes to these scenes and not the typical non-Rider heroine. (And not to mention, Lovekov is especially sensitive to when Sakura falters/has a weak will, and yet we didn't get anything from her either from this arc) Like idk man, the show literally threw her off a bridge this episode in order to resolve Daiji's whole thing without her, and she's the only member of the family whom Daiji doesn't really get a real moment with Sakura for this arc (he's obssessed with taking down Ikki, we had the whole Destream ep ending, this episode he spefically wanted to say goodbye to Yukimi before contracting with Gifu). It's a little weird to me. -Gifu actually speaks! After all this time of teasing and hinting what Gifu's motive might be, it's.........not that particularly interesting, nor reflects upon any of the themes is an interesting way? Gifu eats the energy that makes up demons, so Earth is like one big farm to him. However, humanity's growing malice will eventually lead them to self-destructing, so Giff plans to *squints* re-sturcture things so that humans do nothing but mass-birth demons all day, while the inheritors of his genes will have the privledge to ruling the earth alongside him. (Do note that he does bring up the "humanity will mass-produce demons" thing immediately after "return humanity to nothingness, save for the Igarashi family". How will that giant human farm thing work out- Oh. I don't think I want to talk about this anymore!) -Junya Komatsu continues to be one of the best actors in the show, change my mind. As iconic as it was, Hiromi swearing away his catchphrase is real good. He can't just scarifice himself for justice, because there's people here that need him! So no more "laying down one's life", we're "devoting one's life" now! I will say I was pretty anxious about the execution of slapping a belt on Hiromi again, but ngl this was decent. -........Ok. I'll talk about Daiji's stuff, I guess. So, to summarize things post Kage v Daiji, Kagerou was getting weaker, so it's time for one last duel with Daiji, in which he departs some thoughts for Daiji ("Stop being so weak-willed. Become so resolute in your ideals to the point of viciousness, then strike!....or something like that.) Holy Live is born, now roll the "Holy Live Jobbing Complication" in which Daiji sticking harder to his ideals (in a real rash manner) isn't working! It actually gets people hurt! (see: Akemi, the dozens of folks earsed by Gifu during the airship crash) So, thinking that it'd just be better to submit to Gifu than cause more carnage for everyone. But....that isn't the right answer, either! But he can't go back, because that'd be betraying Kagerou's "final" lesson to him (or something like that!) So he we are, 7 billion sibling fights + two neat dad fights later, Daiji.....*recongizes* that he's fucked up and done horrid shit, he wants to change his ways, but doesn't know if he can (or at least, doesn't know how without making Kagerou's "scarifice" in vain) But dont worry lol, Daiji recongizing what a ridiclously messy human being he is, and actually admitting He needs Help, is what brings Kagerou back. Because recongizing and facing your past/flaws is the only way you'll be able to move forward. -Does this Daiji's arc work for me, now that's it's over? Eh...It's fine enough? Like a lot of things in Revice, it's a interesting idea with undercooked bits and frustrating execution here and there. However, considering the production notes for this episode revealed that Evilytylive wasnt planned and their arc was initally supposed to end at the Kage v Daiji fight before the production team realized how that kinda goes aganist the themes of the work, it's at least a better ending than simply leaving things there at Episode 26? (Idk how late into the show they changed that, but they mentioned it gave the planning team a rough time so probably a little later than a story change that influences toys n shit like this would be?) -Anyway, cool fight to seal Gifu, the family's happy, Kagerou gets to hang with the fam, everyone's happy, good ending! (Please ignore the very obvious tease at Olteca's return, Masumi dying, and the very ominous teaser paired with the fact that we've still got a confirmed 6 episodes to go!) |
07-17-2022, 01:10 PM | #14 |
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Honestly I kinda agree with Enchilada on the Daiji arc we got being better. As a reminder, the duel with Kagerou took place in episode 26, before Thunder Gale was even hinted at being a thing. The idea that Daiji was going to spend the entire rest of the show from that point jobbing without any point or build up to something would've been awful.
Yes I'm aware they would've tried to have him hang out and interact with other characters like Rei said, but considering how after Olteca's defeat the show slowly moves everyone else into Weekend to fight Giff, I don't see Daiji having a lot of fruitful interactions in that scenario. That said, did I like what we actually got? Sorta. There were moments that I couldn't wrap my head around like Daiji returning to Fenix after Akaishi's press confrence where Gifu destroyed the Fenix Helicarrier. But overall like cosmicrescend0 said, at least this arc ends in a more thematically fitting way than the duel. |
07-17-2022, 05:48 PM | #15 |
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Hiromi became Demons again. Cool. It's not about everyone seeing it coming, it's just seeing it happen again that matters.
I'm also glad it was Hiromi that got through to Daiji. Ikki is so used to forgiving himself for meddling that it's like breathing to him, but Daiji isn't so used to it. So take it from someone who basically fucked his life up to impart that lesson and actually get through to him.
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07-17-2022, 06:26 PM | #16 |
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The conflict between Daiji and his family is really bad, boring and quite forced.
But the end of this conflict is really good especially because Hiromi's intervention. |
07-18-2022, 08:02 AM | #17 |
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It's been ages since I have posted something in this thread. I was more of a bystander and just reading carefully what other people's opinion. However, thanks to Hiromi's words to Daiji, I finally mister my courage and confidence again to finally post my opinion in this forum. The timing could not be perfect since this is the episode where Daiji comes back home. So, as starters I just want to say : "ただいま"
I always felt something was amiss when the show insists to credit Daiji as Kamen Rider Holy Live instead of just simply Kamen Rider Live. This made me thought Holy Live was NOT a simple form change but rather an entirely different Rider than Live. Watching the Battle Familia trailer with both Live and Evil in it made me realize how much I missed the green undersuit of those Riders. Holy Live was a good suit but Daiji's constant usage of it made me felt I kinda miss both normal Evil and Live in the same manner when Saber rarely used Brave Dragon from Primitive to Xross Saber arc. If you hadn't already known, I LOVE Eviltylive! Not only it propels the Holy Live's suit, which I say it again the suit is missing something. This is the kind of repaint that works really well and even better than Xross Saber, which I quite like too. Giving some black accents to the already clean Holy Live and then adding the Evil/Live's iconic green undersuit, it made the best possible perfect Rider suit for Daiji dan Kagerou. Mind you, I would be okay if they just use back their Bat Genomes again but the production went above and beyond. Seeing Eviltylive's suit somewhat gives a fuzzy warm feeling that reminds me Daiji AND Kagerou's back! It's sort of a 'welcome home' for those characters. I might be in the minority here but I think Daiji is literally the best character in the show during this latter half of the series. I already enjoy Daiji during the early days even when the show didn't really focus on him. When the second half of the show now primarily focus on Daijis's character development, I was estatic. The show already establishes that the Igarashi sibling works the best with their demon. Without Kagero, Daiji couldn't be the best of himself. Him struggling during Akaishi's machination was the perfect way to show Daiji needs Kagero. The way to this episode may not be the best one and it was pretty rough but it could be argued that Daiji was fumbling because he lost a part of himself. In addition, the long-awaited return of Hiromi Kadota as Demons was worth the wait. Hiromi was the perfect person to trigger Daiji's return to the good side. They might not have many interactions before but it's believable that Hiromi's sense of justice managed to rub Daiji during the course of the show. I almost cry when Hiromi said to Daiji they could always to get back up even when they fail. That words feel so powerful because Hiromi had so many rough failures too. A huge example was in the first ep where Hiromi failed to transform and it crushed all of Daiji's confidence. You could the whole ordeal of Live and Evil was even possible because of Hiromi's failure and it was nice to see Hiromi took responsibility and made amends with Daiji. I could ramble long and on about how awesome and perfect this episodes was. But to sum it up, this is a great example of how to make a good episode for the characters and the debut of a new form. I must say I was impressed of how Takayuki Shibasaki-san managed to direct this episode really well. Dude managed to once again introduce a new repaint form but with so many meanings behind it, great characterization, and dynamic action sequences with the earworm Mirage Mirror by Wataru Hyuga, not unlike with Xross Saber last year. I'm now kinda even more bummed that Giffard Rex's debut could have been as awesome as Evilitylive if only Shibasaki-san was given enough good materials. Once he was given good story and materials, he could maximize an already awesome episode like this into perfection. Now, now... This episode could have been even more perfect if they credited Mirage Mirror in the opening. Man I miss the time when Insert songs were credited in the opening... |
07-18-2022, 03:32 PM | #18 |
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おかえり
As a big fan of Daiji in my own right, I have to agree that I found this episode to be a very satisfying conclusion for his arc. To an extent, I understand why Daiji's development rubs a lot of people the wrong way, especially lately, but there hasn't been a single moment in Revice where I wasn't interested in where he was heading, and I don't feel like the show has ever done anything with him that truly let me down.
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07-18-2022, 05:58 PM | #19 |
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Haaaaah, what a mess this show is. Don't get me wrong, I like everything that has been happening... on paper. I still think Daiji's little breakdown was the most interesting thing going on in the show lately. In implementation, there is a lot left to be desired. If anything, I feel like making Daiji the final villain and making the arc a little longer would have been good. Hiromi's role was nice though, and I liked how he could speak to Daiji from his own experiences. I'm probably not going to go too in-depth here since the show is close to wrapping up and I'll dump my final thoughts in the last episode thread. Still, I find myself snarking out loud at the show lately, which probably isn't a great sign.
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07-18-2022, 08:09 PM | #20 |
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Honestly I kinda agree with Enchilada on the Daiji arc we got being better. As a reminder, the duel with Kagerou took place in episode 26, before Thunder Gale was even hinted at being a thing. The idea that Daiji was going to spend the entire rest of the show from that point jobbing without any point or build up to something would've been awful.
Yes I'm aware they would've tried to have him hang out and interact with other characters like Rei said, but considering how after Olteca's defeat the show slowly moves everyone else into Weekend to fight Giff, I don't see Daiji having a lot of fruitful interactions in that scenario. That said, did I like what we actually got? Sorta. There were moments that I couldn't wrap my head around like Daiji returning to Fenix after Akaishi's press confrence where Gifu destroyed the Fenix Helicarrier. But overall like cosmicrescend0 said, at least this arc ends in a more thematically fitting way than the duel. |
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