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Hmm... to begin with, as I said there too, I don't hear often from people about anything regarding the MOTW stuff of KR shows, so I'd almost never hear something like Yamano or Shiratori other than the discussions here or other complete analyses like akinoame's. But regarding superhero media in general, I'm basing this part based on how there are many complaints about heroes wanting to save irredeemable bastards like reaching out a terrible but tragic villain (if they're major characters), or them having a no kill rule which prevents them from finishing off unlikable bastards too. One of the main reasons for this complaint is because they can endanger others by doing this (and it means they prioritize their own worldview to other people's wellbeings), which is understandable...
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Little did anyone know at the time, this would lead to the second most heated debate in Heisei Kamen Rider.
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![]() That debate will continue to rage on! I, too, am unclear as to whether a director as visually-impressive as Ishida was in general through his career and on this episode individually -- The circular camera move during the Ankh/Kazari opening scene! Every single Ankh/Eiji shot in the back third! The One-Winged Angel stuff! -- was using a hilariously unconvincing body double for half of the Satonaka fight scene stuff on purpose as a joke, or sincerely as an attempt to trick the audience. (Like, you cannot cut between a close-up of Mayuko Arisue in her painted-on leather pants and someone who's clearly 30 pounds heavier in much baggier clothes without taking me out of the action! ISHIDA! What the hell, dude!) |
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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 20 - “BAIT, SUITABILITY, AND THE FLAMING COMBO”
It’s a little similar to Episode 15, in that everything here feels like a red line for the Eiji/Ankh partnership. Ankh counterschemes to wrest one of his precious Core Medals from Kazari’s grasp, but in a way that flings Eiji off of a roof and requires threatening Hina. Meanwhile, Eiji has kept one of Ankh’s Medals from him, fearing *see the last sentence*. These two are firmly in opposition, and yet… it also basically doesn’t matter? It could seem a little flippant, how much Eiji doesn’t care about Ankh’s rapacious self-interest, or how much Ankh was never really going to hurt Hina. (It’s all threats, no real violence.) But there’s another plot in this episode, and I think it’s instructive in how to read what’s really going on with Ankh and Eiji. Quote:
We get the first part of one of my favorite long-term sub-plots, which is the Date/Brotou stuff. (I’m sure other subbing groups stick with “Gotou-chan”, but I came up on this group's “Brotou”, and that’s the hill I’ll die on. It just feels truer to Date’s affection for this skinny child!) Gotou’s been tying himself in knots about whether or not he’s the right man to be Birth, and if his principles and pride are an obstacle to helping people. But Date makes it easy for him – he can’t even fire the Birth gun. All of the high-minded morality and ethics are missing the main point that Gotou can’t even do the job he’s worrying about, which is putting the philosophical cart in front of the tokusatsu horse. Date suggests that Gotou should maybe dedicate himself to being able to do his dream first, then decide if it’s a dream worth doing.
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That’s sort of the zone that Eiji and Ankh find themselves in at the end of the episode. Eiji can’t trust Ankh to do what’s right, but he can trust Ankh to do what’s right for himself. Ankh hates Eiji’s obtrusive morality, but that obtrusive morality is the only hope Ankh has to rebuild his body. The arguments about the why of it all… that can all come after the immediate concern of what needs doing today. Despising each other for the ways their worldviews don’t align misses how effective they can be as a team. You can disagree about motivations, but that’s okay – the end results are what sometimes matter most.
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It makes for a story that honors both characters' individuality without compromising their bond. The little bit of swagger Ankh has when Eiji turns up for their battle against Kazari and the Yummy! Eiji knowing that Ankh will be there with the Medals he needs, even though Ankh flung him into the river! Ankh trusting Eiji with TaJaDor – here given so much more weight and significance than Movie Core’s whole Hey I Randomly Found This Please Use It In A Fight thing – even though Ankh has schemed for the last two episodes for this shot at resurrection! It’s all brilliant in how it leverages the tenuousness of their partnership, as well as the inevitability of their reconciliation.
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#166 |
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It's not like Ankh can actually defeat Hina if he wanted due to Hina's super strength. And guess like Eiji, Ankh needs Hina alive. Just being all threats doesn't mean they didn't really mean it or have the heart to go through it, one can fail in carrying out that like because they're too weak to do so (Ankh also pretty much kidnapped her).
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