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01-26-2023, 10:40 PM | #381 |
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Hmm uh yeah I've got nothing tbh in terms of this episode in relation to the points you mentioned. So I'll just really say, the first reveal complaint doesn't really ring much for me since well, it feels more like a clarification. And the second reveal complaint, while I get that it's very sudden, I think you're downplaying things a bit too hard with the "What coworker screwed over his buddy" comment.
Anyway, Rintaro basically decided to go full toy salesman. We get King Lion Daisenki, the Lion Mode, a shit ton of Booster usages, all in all, very fun. Also I do enjoy that the form gives him to cannons to shoot stuff with, very fun. Also I do enjoy Touma's fight with him sliding up the scale of power before ending in a pretty spectacular fight against Kamijo. The little touch of the cross-slash with Espada's ghost appearing is also nice. Also the story was nice, always fun to get a bit of Mei introspection. |
01-26-2023, 10:48 PM | #382 |
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I can definitely relate to Kamijo's motivation not hitting me at all. I'm a very themes-before-plot person; if the mechanisms of the story or how it's delivered aren't quite working but all of what it actually means is still there I'm very happy to let it off the hook (to a degree I think it's necessary for watching Tokusatsu), but sometimes it's stretched just... a little too thin. It's as you say; it's way too much delivered in such a short space of time to really comprehend it and it needed far more fleshing out than what it got, but it's treated as... maybe not understandable, but they expect you to just take it as a baseline without anything further? It doesn't even begin to work for me.
I kinda dropped my little "saber-suits-are-so-good" corner because I kept forgetting but I'm absolutely gonna revive it for a bit to say Dragon Alangina is one of my favourite things ever? Strong contender for my favourite Saber suit and it's the one golden moment everything in this show came together for me; I haven't seen a Rider show really use the nature of its powers and tools like this purely for character work without it being motivated by a specific new powerup in a long time, and it just hit seeing Touma be powered up by two main Ridebooks like that and change up his entire fighting style to accomodate the sword of his lost beloved friend. Nothing in the Kento story even worked for me! It failed to hit me in the same way the Kamijo stuff did! But this form and everything they did with it was so incredibly good it made me believe in the strength of that story for a whole episode! oh yeah and Dragonic Knight is really sexy too you really just can't go wrong with that thing
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01-26-2023, 11:47 PM | #383 |
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So I'll just really say, the first reveal complaint doesn't really ring much for me since well, it feels more like a clarification. And the second reveal complaint, while I get that it's very sudden, I think you're downplaying things a bit too hard with the "What coworker screwed over his buddy" comment.
For Kamijo's story, I sort of can't believe the show thought this guy dedicating 15 years of his life -- and almost perpetuating an apocalypse -- to uncover malfeasance didn't deserve a little supporting documentation? I'm not exactly sure what he's even supposed to be accusing some nameless traitor of doing here. He's just like Someone Made My Dude Crazy, and that's all we get. If this show wants me to feel the depths of Kamijo's sadness, and how it's inverted in the strength Touma receives from Kento's memory/ghost, they gotta give me more to go on. Quote:
I can definitely relate to Kamijo's motivation not hitting me at all. I'm a very themes-before-plot person; if the mechanisms of the story or how it's delivered aren't quite working but all of what it actually means is still there I'm very happy to let it off the hook (to a degree I think it's necessary for watching Tokusatsu), but sometimes it's stretched just... a little too thin.
The First Annual Kento Memorial Stage Show Extravaganza was a very fun episode and a very cool suit, it's true.
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01-27-2023, 12:31 AM | #384 |
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For Kamijo's story, I sort of can't believe the show thought this guy dedicating 15 years of his life -- and almost perpetuating an apocalypse -- to uncover malfeasance didn't deserve a little supporting documentation? I'm not exactly sure what he's even supposed to be accusing some nameless traitor of doing here. He's just like Someone Made My Dude Crazy, and that's all we get. If this show wants me to feel the depths of Kamijo's sadness, and how it's inverted in the strength Touma receives from Kento's memory/ghost, they gotta give me more to go on.
It's funny, by the way, that you fear for the future of the show just before what many consider to be the point where it started to get better. |
01-27-2023, 12:39 AM | #385 |
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Kamijo's motives will become clearer in the future, it is the information about the traitor that is important now. Because it is she who determines the further course of the story. Let me just say that Kamijo and Fukamiya are indeed the same, and this is the key to the reasons for their actions.
It's funny, by the way, that you fear for the future of the show just before what many consider to be the point where it started to get better. As for the rest... I mean, yeah, I sort of assumed Ferreting Out The Traitor -- and getting us to be suspicious of the Sword of Logos -- was pretty much the next phase of this show. That's fine. I don't have a problem with this show suggesting that a secret organization with unknown oversight that's staffed entirely by people that were chosen by magic swords might be less trustworthy than we assumed.
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01-27-2023, 03:36 AM | #386 |
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And so, exit Kamijo. And also Desast for a few episodes, due to the suit actor moving over to Sentai.
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01-27-2023, 09:18 AM | #387 |
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Yeah, this one didn’t work that well for me. It feels like the show is trying to build a lot of drama out of revealing that the Sword of Logos may have some internal corruption, but it falls flat because the show hasn’t really established anything about the organization outside of the handful of characters we’ve already seen. Like, we know that they raised Rintaro and that everybody else works for them, but that’s pretty much it. It’s hard to squeeze drama out of upending everything the audience knows when the audience doesn’t know anything.
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01-27-2023, 11:16 AM | #388 |
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Yeah, he sees himself as the hero, and there's also the phrase "every villain is a hero in their own story" (which honestly I want to be replaced with "every villain is a protagonist in their own story"). Some people can take any villain's words as gospel though, particularly with the help of that phrase, which paves the way of moral relativism and refusing to acknowledge which is right or wrong and deeming everything as determined by perspective like legitimately convincing that the villain thinking themseles as the heroes as having merits, using this to paint everyone as exactly the same (e.g. blaming the heroes for not understanding their perspective) or something.
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 15 - ?OUR RESOLUTION, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND IT?
We?ll start with the So Basic one, since that?s the first to appear chronologically. The Book Club finally decides to explain their and Calibur?s scheme to the Sword of Logos, and it?s so unimpressive and generic as to be hilarious in retrospect that this show thought it was worth keeping secret. They?re after a map/instruction guide to the various Wonder Ride Books, which will allow them to rebuild the? whatever, the big book that started the world. Afterwards, they could reset reality to whatever they wanted, and rule everything. Did you see Zooous' flips though? Man, that guy can move! Quote:
Then, Kamijo comes to the conclusion that Fukamiya didn?t just go crazy, he was made crazy? by the Sword of Logos. Somehow, someone in the organization was the REAL traitor, and Kamijo needed to become Calibur (?) in order to destroy the Sword of Logos (??) by allying with the despotic Megid (???) so that they all could end all life on Earth (????) which would also give Kamijo the secret of the traitor inside the Sword of Logos. Kamijo decided that any sacrifice ? including literal sacrifices, like the one Fukamiya made of Luna, which Kamijo found so abhorrent that he needed to murder Fukamiya ? were totally okay, as long as they were in the name of rooting out corruption.
Even if the reveals left you disappointed for now, I still have to talk about that awesome climactic fight scene and intriguing aftermath! I love how the Swordsmen courageously destroy the pillars, believing that Touma will make it back in time. How Ikazuchi gives Touma the strength of Kento's spirit to return from the darkness, defying Kamijo's expectations and showing how the magic of friendship can pierce through even the deepest despair and transcend the barrier between life and death. It's all profoundly heroic and emotionally moving in the way I've come to expect from Fukuda's writing, making this first arc land strongly for me, firmly establishing what kind of show Kamen Rider Saber wants to be. Touma is the living proof of the ideals Kamijo had lost faith in, where there's resolution, there's always hope and I think Rekka was right to choose him as the successor. I love how Desast, who had nothing to do with this apocalypse, out of nowhere just shows up inside the giant book world that Touma and Kamijo struggled to reach, to live up to his title as a Swordsman Killer, literally cut short some exposition and retrieve his Alter Book. That guy's a wildcard with his own agenda. Quote:
Desast getting his curiosity engine in overdrive even before his Twitter career.
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01-27-2023, 12:05 PM | #389 |
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Yeah, that certainly was an episode, I didn't exactly have as much distaste as you did for the reveals here (I'm pretty sure Kamijo's reveal was just put in so that they could set up the 2nd arc or something along those lines), but I didn't exactly care for this episode either.
The choreography's good, and I'm perfectly fine with the first reveal, even if it should've been revealed way earlier than this episode, but besides those two things, it's just empty for me. I don't entirely hate this episode, but it wasn't exactly a fun one for me either. I'm pretty sure that this is the end of the first arc? And the 2nd arc is where I've heard that the show improves, so I hope that rings true for me as well. I don't have much left to say, so I'll just say that this was a mediocre episode for me, I don't have as much hate for it as you seem to have, but it's still not very good compared to the rest of the episodes. |
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01-27-2023, 12:23 PM | #390 |
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I love how the Swordsmen courageously destroy the pillars, believing that Touma will make it back in time. How Ikazuchi gives Touma the strength of Kento's spirit to return from the darkness, defying Kamijo's expectations and showing how the magic of friendship can pierce through even the deepest despair and transcend the barrier between life and death. It's all profoundly heroic and emotionally moving in the way I've come to expect from Fukuda's writing, making this first arc land strongly for me, firmly establishing what kind of show Kamen Rider Saber wants to be. Touma is the living proof of the ideals Kamijo had lost faith in, where there's resolution, there's always hope and I think Rekka was right to choose him as the successor.
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I'm pretty sure that this is the end of the first arc? And the 2nd arc is where I've heard that the show improves, so I hope that rings true for me as well. I don't have much left to say, so I'll just say that this was a mediocre episode for me, I don't have as much hate for it as you seem to have, but it's still not very good compared to the rest of the episodes.
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