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10-20-2020, 06:23 PM | #11 |
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On the Sentai side of things... well, good, it allows that franchise to stand on its own and do more creative things than having to set things up for Power Rangers to steal from it. In fact a LOT of the projects they've done recently are pretty difficult to adapt even on an aesthetic aspect, so again, this is just a plus for each side. Sentai gets to do what it wants to do and Power Rangers doesn't have to tie itself into a knot figuring out the best way to market train powers or showa-esque monsters to a western audience.
And in terms of aesthetics, things really haven't been that bad. The only one that even sort of has an issue is ToQger, and mainly because trains aren't a huge thing in the US. Everything else, well, it's a much more interconnected world now. Anime and other foreign concepts are way bigger than they've ever been, even when it comes to kids. So if Sentai went absolutely crazy in terms of suit design, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, I think. I'd go on but I feel like the post would just spiral into a rant about the Toku Community, so I'll spare everyone that. Quote:
I'm not convinced of that rumor.
I believe that Hasbro wants to experiment with original productions as opposed to a clean break from Toei. Thanks in no small part to BOOM!, we now have ample material with no connection to Sentai to port over into Live-Action. The show has a history of including original villains and designs. I also perceive the possibility of animation to expand on the franchise. Transformers has precedence with doing more than one show or continuity at any one time. Why not the Rangerverse!? I'd rather believe in and see a ToQger adaptation air in the same year as an animated anthology AND a Live-Action Omega Rangers or Hyperforce! I'm also thinking of that slim chance that Hasbro will put one show on Nick and have one on Netflix. Again, precedence with Transformers. I know I'm spitballing, and I don't want to take away from the fact that Entwistle's connection is still a good thing for the franchise.
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10-20-2020, 06:27 PM | #12 |
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Clearly though if they're going for it, they have the budget somehow. We did see a massive increase in budget even last season from all the original fight footage and stuff like Fury Mode.
I don't think Power Rangers will improve in much any sense whether they do this or not though - we have ten years of evidence showing they don't care to - it just makes sense to have more power over your brand especially as you've divorced from the toyline that continues to make all the merchandise from the franchise you're using. On the Sentai side of things... well, good, it allows that franchise to stand on its own and do more creative things than having to set things up for Power Rangers to steal from it. In fact a LOT of the projects they've done recently are pretty difficult to adapt even on an aesthetic aspect, so again, this is just a plus for each side. Sentai gets to do what it wants to do and Power Rangers doesn't have to tie itself into a knot figuring out the best way to market train powers or showa-esque monsters to a western audience. |
10-20-2020, 06:30 PM | #13 |
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If PR is going to stay relevant, I think it needs to become its own thing, while ideally still preserving the things that made it a success to begin with. I think it's important to note that Entwistle mentions bringing the show's "spirit of analog into the future." This implies to me that he gets the show's identity and knows what makes it cool -- i.e., the analog/practical effects and man-in-suit fighting. Fingers crossed he's able to preserve the show's full identity and appeal while tailoring it for an older, more modern US audience. Quote:
That aside, alot of people around the net(atleast from what I've seen) seem to assume that, even if there were a "best case" scenario of even the live-action being all-original, that the writing, stunts, etc would all just magically improve to whatever standard they have, as if the show is tailor-made for them in the first place(not accusing you of this, btw).
Sentai has some of the best and most consistent fight/stunt choreography in any country, in any medium, flat out. These imagined improvements are not only unlikely, they're based in a fantasy world where an average weekly Sentai fight isn't already better than literally all Marvel/DC movie fight scenes put together. Quote:
Or maybe there will be original live action shows and the cartoon will be for kids. Who knows at this point? It will be refreshing to have someone tied to the franchise that isn't, you know, an objectively terrible writer. It might make me care about Power Rangers as more than just watered-down, off-brand Super Sentai... or, actually, care about Power Rangers at all, which is something I haven't done since about 1998. |
10-20-2020, 06:41 PM | #14 |
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Thing is(and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think Sentai really has ever cared about how easily it can be turned into PR? Granted, I'm not a Sentai expert by any stretch, but from what I have seen it seems they just sorta do whatever without really caring about foreign context. Heck, I recall and interview where it was stated that any of the PR references in Gokaiger were basically incidental.
Otherwise, I'm hardly going to go about pointing out specific things - Sentai isn't my strongest point in tokusatsu and I don't really care about PR if it isn't RPM, decent comics, nice Sentai figures or a sick fighting game people are sleeping way too hard on - but if you're in this sort of partnership deal where the shows you make are going to be used by the company you're in a deal with to make their own show? You're probably going to make certain decisions in how you film things, take into account restrictions of the other company's target audience, even the entire premise from the get-go given that this adapted show is a toy commercial. Hell, I believe that for Magiranger they even done their shooting in New Zealand. It's pretty clear after the deal went away things started getting more experimental with more creative control that would make things difficult to adapt between a show with heavy Japanese iconography in every frame, a 35th anniversary which heavily used suits from before Zyuranger, and a show like Go-Busters which went out of its way to go against the format and formula of the franchise up till that point as much as it could. But then from then on you get much more standard, easily adaptable seasons like Kyoryuger, Ninninger; and then Kyuranger which we know Bandai of America had a hand in creating. But then very recently you suddenly get stuff like Lupat which once again is much more experimental and difficult to adapt... I'm just saying, there's some interesting patterns going on there.
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10-20-2020, 07:11 PM | #15 |
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Could be. It's particularly interesting that the press release points out that Entwistle will head the "non-kids" iterations and that there will be kid-focused iterations as well. Maybe "traditional" PR will live on as the kid-focused show and the animated show(s) will be for older audiences?
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Gokaiger aired in 2011 -- ie it was produced in the very very specific time when Power Rangers just didn't exist; when Disney had effectively cancelled it and no-one picked it up. Naturally Toei wasn't going to go about making specific scenes for a dead franchise they no longer had a deal with.
Otherwise, I'm hardly going to go about pointing out specific things - Sentai isn't my strongest point in tokusatsu and I don't really care about PR if it isn't RPM, decent comics, nice Sentai figures or a sick fighting game people are sleeping way too hard on - but if you're in this sort of partnership deal where the shows you make are going to be used by the company you're in a deal with to make their own show? You're probably going to make certain decisions in how you film things, take into account restrictions of the other company's target audience, even the entire premise from the get-go given that this adapted show is a toy commercial. Hell, I believe that for Magiranger they even done their shooting in New Zealand. It's pretty clear after the deal went away things started getting more experimental with more creative control that would make things difficult to adapt between a show with heavy Japanese iconography in every frame, a 35th anniversary which heavily used suits from before Zyuranger, and a show like Go-Busters which went out of its way to go against the format and formula of the franchise up till that point as much as it could. But then from then on you get much more standard, easily adaptable seasons like Kyoryuger, Ninninger; and then Kyuranger which we know Bandai of America had a hand in creating. But then very recently you suddenly get stuff like Lupat which once again is much more experimental and difficult to adapt... I'm just saying, there's some interesting patterns going on there.
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10-20-2020, 07:15 PM | #16 |
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The more I look up this guy's work the funnier this article gets.
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10-20-2020, 07:17 PM | #17 |
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Gokaiger aired in 2011 -- ie it was produced in the very very specific time when Power Rangers just didn't exist; when Disney had effectively cancelled it and no-one picked it up. Naturally Toei wasn't going to go about making specific scenes for a dead franchise they no longer had a deal with.
--SNIP-- It's pretty clear after the deal went away things started getting more experimental with more creative control that would make things difficult to adapt between a show with heavy Japanese iconography in every frame, a 35th anniversary which heavily used suits from before Zyuranger, and a show like Go-Busters which went out of its way to go against the format and formula of the franchise up till that point as much as it could. But then from then on you get much more standard, easily adaptable seasons like Kyoryuger, Ninninger; and then Kyuranger which we know Bandai of America had a hand in creating. But then very recently you suddenly get stuff like Lupat which once again is much more experimental and difficult to adapt... I'm just saying, there's some interesting patterns going on there. When Saban got the show back, and it became clear they were going to stretch a PR season over two years, Bandai started doing a "one for them, one for us" kind of thing. So we have Kyoryuger, which is very PR friendly. Followed by ToQger, which is... not. Then Ninninger, which is totally PR friendly. Then Zyuohger, which, again, is not. Then Kyuranger, which BoA actively had a hand in designing. Followed by Lupato, which is a wild formal experiment with designs that wouldn't translate in the US. And then finally, Ryusoulger, which really couldn't be more PR-friendly. |
10-20-2020, 07:25 PM | #18 |
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Not until AFTER we get Kyuranger adapted first, like it should’ve been INSTEAD of Ryusoulger!
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10-20-2020, 07:44 PM | #19 |
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Thing is, it is still relevant. Is it mind-blowingly popular by any means outside of MMPR? No, but the franchise itself is still very popular with its target demographic, and if you mention Power Rangers to anyone older, they're still going to have an idea of what you're talking about. Heck, the 2017 movie was a total flop, but a ton of people still saw it. If it weren't still relevant, the franchise would not have gotten the various expansions that it has over the years.
But look at Beast Morphers. As I understand it, both the toy sales and ratings are in toilet. Clearly, that show isn’t working, despite fans seeming to like it. Now, look at the Boom comics. They’re telling their own stories, which are rooted in nostalgia but not beholden to Sentai, and they’re a huge hit. And the Lightning Collection figures for Drakon and Ranger Slayer fly off the shelves. If you’re Hasbro, and you see that “traditional” PR adaptations of Sentai shows aren’t profitable, while the original Boom comics and Lightning Collection toys are, I think there’s a pretty clear road sign pointing you to where the money is. Ultimately, tradition comes in second to profits. A company like Hasbro, that spent billions to own PR, aren’t going to leave money on the table just because a minority of fans care about new Sentai adaptations. TBH, I think a lot of the future is still up in the air, and whether the traditional PR adaptations of Sentai live or die will depend on the success of Dino Fury. But just going off of what’s successful now, and what isn’t, the PR-Sentai union is not looking good. |
10-20-2020, 07:55 PM | #20 |
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The IP is definitely still relevant and valuable. Everyone knows what Power Rangers is as a brand.
But look at Beast Morphers. As I understand it, both the toy sales and ratings are in toilet. Clearly, that show isn’t working, despite fans seeming to like it. Now, look at the Boom comics. They’re telling their own stories, which are rooted in nostalgia but not beholden to Sentai, and they’re a huge hit. And the Lightning Collection figures for Drakon and Ranger Slayer fly off the shelves. If you’re Hasbro, and you see that “traditional” PR adaptations of Sentai shows aren’t profitable, while the original Boom comics and Lightning Collection toys are, I think there’s a pretty clear road sign pointing you to where the money is. Ultimately, tradition comes in second to profits. A company like Hasbro, that spent billions to own PR, aren’t going to leave money on the table just because a minority of fans care about new Sentai adaptations. TBH, I think a lot of the future is still up in the air, and whether the traditional PR adaptations of Sentai live or die will depend on the success of Dino Fury. But just going off of what’s successful now, and what isn’t, the PR-Sentai union is not looking good. They are also very different markets. The show is still catered towards 10-year olds, whereas all of the other aspects of the franchise, the Lightning Collection included, is catered towards an older audience and those who grew up with the franchise. I hardly think that Beast Morphers being not quite the success as some other seasons is going to make Hasbro go "Ah yes, clearly the answer is to cut Toei and cater towards adults!" Which, by the way? The those successful comics and figures? Guess what they're still tied to? Sentai. It's hardly a minority opinion either: This rumor has gotten many fans arguing every which way, to the point I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro spread the rumor themselves just to "test the waters" so to speak. But that could just be me being a conspiracy nut for the first time ever.
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