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04-13-2023, 04:08 PM | #1521 |
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And it's not only attacking Riders head on that can potentially reduce your competitiors, actions like leaving them hanging also can do, and it doesn't seem to be penalized, like lntentionally leaving them to die when they're injured (by something else) while you can save them.
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Actions like Emu punching Kiriya after his return to maintain their facade will also hurt him. Or Date kicking Eiji mid-fight with other opponents to maintain the facade. Keiwa also attacked Ace in his plan to bait Girori, even though Ace has clear upper hand.
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Mend? People shouldn't shoving the importance of family and blame those trying to break off. Fact is a lot of parents are terrible people, and their childs don?t need to be unconditionally grateful to them, or stuck with them (but her mom won't stand still). People like her parents can't and won't change their ways, because to them, they ARE already showing their love, but their love is predicated on you being what they want her to be or what she can do for them - which shapes abusive environment. There are also numerous other Riders who have archnemesis dad, and thus they're also "unwilling to mend their relationship"?
So after all, we are talking about DGP, which accept desires for resurrection and destruction. Neon could wish for new parents, or change the nature of the current ones, or turn them into cats, and it would come true. I meant that her desire is not directly related to the family, even if it is caused by family problems. So she sees the source of her happiness in love, and not in the family. Quote:
Firstly, what should stop is assuming someone who tries to preserve their welfare if they can while helping others as only wanting to help if they don't harm themselves.
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Villains aren't free from putting themselves at risk either, as the villainous Riders in the DGP like Kanato are given the same tasks and threats as anyone else. But those aren't heroic for their risks because they brought nothing good to others (them fighting Jamatos is also evil vs evil).
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Wut, this is just cruel. Why tf would people are faultless if they have reasons behind their actions? Reasons can include something like jealousy, envy, racism, bigotry (can involve something they have no control of like their race), quick bucks for media, keeping villain's schemes covert, etc. And for you, the haters are doing the right thing over reasons like those?
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And examples of hated heroes in media can be (and quite often) someone as morally upright as Spiderman or Kenzo Tenma.
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04-13-2023, 05:29 PM | #1522 |
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Can anyone help me on how to create a chef rider series? Gotta think on an Iron Chef/Shokugeki/Toriko scale!
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04-17-2023, 12:21 PM | #1523 |
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Happy 30th birthday Kamen Rider ZO!
Truly fantastic movie
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04-28-2023, 02:06 PM | #1525 |
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Actually it'd take quite a lot to make her resort to that, the missions being forced, and escalating terms and conditions in high risk when losing that impacts whole life later, likely due to the DGP not getting actual entertainment. She has different position (and it's headcanon to think it's chosen path, the circumstances aren't known yet) and it should be considered when any other Riders are placed in her position, and... outside of that position, people like Daichi pulls those tactics only because he can. General example is that, someone who is normally against killing but is forced to at few occassion due to circumstances shouldn't be viewed as murder-happy or hypocritical. Quote:
Also, by your logic, would a billionaire who takes half a minute to donate 0.0001% of his income to charity be more heroic than a firefighter or a person who all day feeds the homeless just because he helps more people? But everyone has different opportunities. Therefore, for me, a hero is exactly the one who does good outside of his comfort zone.
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And in real life, this is tantamount to murder, whatever Nolan's Batman says there. Everywhere, from Sweden to North Korea. So even if it is not prohibited by the rules of DGP, riders are still people, which means that not everyone is capable of killing, even if it is profitable.
There's a difference between someone's who's actually good, or someone who's just harmless, not having the power/ability to act on their desires (but already had warped mindset). There can be varying reasons for someone to do that, it's not always because it's the right thing to do. It can be also due to (also can be combined with being harmless above) wanting a reward, avoiding a punishment, or boosting their reputation. And really people can opt to not murder or do other bad things because it's in their best interest or counter-productive to their plan, not due to genuine standards. Which may get dismissed only due to the outcomes (depicting their claims as tsunderes for this). I just really don't want to have the "reason" arguments promoted and validated because it can be used to, for reverse reason, absolve villains of any wrong they do; where there are people who justify villains as soon as they give a reason for their horrible actions, which have them being painted as not that bad or even"the true hero". Reasons (like backstory or such) don't elevate their morality. To condemn a hero for being hated because "there's a reason", sounds similar in treating the haters are completely blameless and right (thus there's someone else being wrong, in which your words "deserve it" sounds like those heroes themselves).
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04-28-2023, 04:33 PM | #1526 |
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[QUOTE=DreadBringer;849746]I mentioned Akira Date/Birth there...
I don't remember the events of OOO very well, but in the Date situation, he used to yell at Eiji to get out of the line of fire before or right after the shot. It seems to me that there was more of a story about the fact that two strangers cannot work together, and there was no particular desire initially. As for the danger for Eiji, Date did not know him as a person + initially had a negative impression after the events before the show. And Neon knows Keiwa much better and even defended him in front of Saya. Which at least shows that for the sake of her desire she is ready to go to great lengths. And one more difference: Date is a doctor. If he seriously harmed Eiji, he would have cured him himself. Quote:
Heroism (and morality in general) comes in spectrums. Yeah the person who all day feeds the homeless may be more heroic (firefighter and other occupations like soldiers, doctors, cops, etc. depends on the person, like I said before), but don't invalidate the others, there can be multiple heroes. And people aren't immediately shitty pos (morally grey to evil) for failing and did wrong once in a while (not recurring). Heroes shouldn't be viewed as something above human, they're still humans with needs and limits too and shouldn't be pushed past the point any other reasonable human would be. Anyone has capacity for good and bad, but what differentiates is looking at them as a whole and considering context.
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For some reason regarding fiction people seem to only consider murder as a bad thing? (can be used to justify villains too as doing nothing wrong) There are much more bad things that can be done including daily and people being good or bad also isn't determined by the outcomes of their actions (which you seem to be determined if it'd kill someone or not/make someone survive). There can be various other bad things humans can do that doesn't involve murder (ranging from overlooked everyday stuff to heinous crimes) like sexual harassing, extorting, thievery, robbing, malicious slandering, deliberately ignoring crisis (apathy, not because they can't help), abuse (physical/verbal/control), objectification/dehumanization of someone (can be racism, or even viewing love interest as mere conquest), vandalizing, doxxing, physical or psychological torture, worker exploitation, etc.
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There's a difference between someone's who's actually good, or someone who's just harmless, not having the power/ability to act on their desires (but already had warped mindset). There can be varying reasons for someone to do that, it's not always because it's the right thing to do. It can be also due to (also can be combined with being harmless above) wanting a reward, avoiding a punishment, or boosting their reputation. And really people can opt to not murder or do other bad things because it's in their best interest or counter-productive to their plan, not due to genuine standards. Which may get dismissed only due to the outcomes (depicting their claims as tsunderes for this).
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I just really don't want to have the "reason" arguments promoted and validated because it can be used to, for reverse reason, absolve villains of any wrong they do; where there are people who justify villains as soon as they give a reason for their horrible actions, which have them being painted as not that bad or even"the true hero".
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Reasons (like backstory or such) don't elevate their morality.
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05-04-2023, 01:53 PM | #1527 |
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I don't remember the events of OOO very well, but in the Date situation, he used to yell at Eiji to get out of the line of fire before or right after the shot. It seems to me that there was more of a story about the fact that two strangers cannot work together, and there was no particular desire initially. As for the danger for Eiji, Date did not know him as a person + initially had a negative impression after the events before the show. And Neon knows Keiwa much better and even defended him in front of Saya. Which at least shows that for the sake of her desire she is ready to go to great lengths. And one more difference: Date is a doctor. If he seriously harmed Eiji, he would have cured him himself.
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My position is that the causes must be taken into account in order to be eliminated. Punishment for bad deeds must follow and its severity must be determined by those whose eyes are not blurred. Here, perhaps, a strong problem in our different backgrounds. There are no jury trials in my country, which means that the attempts of criminals to play on feelings are more of a fantasy for me. All indulgences that they can receive depend on specific, predetermined circumstances. But I believe it is possible.
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I cannot agree here. If a person's father is a thief, his mother is a thief, all his friends are thieves and the most watched movie is "Ocean's 11", then shouldn't this be taken into account? That is, he, of course, heard that stealing is bad from some strangers who did nothing good for him. Therefore, simply punishment is clearly not enough here, a person needs to be explained why this is wrong. And be prepared that he will not understand and appreciate it.
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05-04-2023, 02:44 PM | #1528 |
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And I mean the beatdown Eiji got by some Greeeds still canonically happened, and after that Date temporarily left the show (it's ep. 38) to return in ep. 46 later as Proto Birth. I mean if you'd think Eiji was fine afterwards, then so does Keiwa which you seem to exaggerate the consequences of the trap.
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And I guess you'd still depict her as "go to great lengths" for her desire because as for below, you seem to dismiss predicaments that isn't death, cuz she takes defeat well but this one has more consequence.
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05-04-2023, 06:49 PM | #1529 |
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Just as I was praising the English dub of Ultraman Z elsewhere I think Kamen Rider Geats or Saber would be the perfect show to do an English dub if Toei ever decides they wanna try copying the success of Ultraman Z's overseas efforts.
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