[Sh Ranger]

Yeah. It was originally planned to be used but they gave it to the Lupinrangers instead to capitalize on their increasing popularity.

[KaiserBlue]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Yeah. It was originally planned to be used but they gave it to the Lupinrangers instead to capitalize on their increasing popularity.

See that's my biggest gripe, imo they made the lupinrangers cool and fun, and made the patrangers boring and unlikable in comparison. It really sucks that they couldn't balance the two teams and that they made last minute changes to favor one over the other. I think these issues along with the plot really helped kill toy sales for pato. I can still find tons of pato in the market, but no as much lupin.

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by KaiserBlue

See that's my biggest gripe, they made the lupinrangers cool and fun, and made the patrangers boring and unlikable in comparison. It really sucks that they couldn't balance the two teams and that they made last minute changes to favor one over the other. I think these issues along with the plot really helped kill toy sales for pato. I can still find tons of pato in the market, but no as much lupin.

That said, Patren 1 is one of my favorite Red Rangers ever. A lot of heart and passion in my dude Keiichiro. Also has his dorky moments as well.
The casting director was spot on to choose Kousei Yuki to play the role.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by KaiserBlue

See that's my biggest gripe, they made the lupinrangers cool and fun, and made the patrangers boring and unlikable in comparison. It really sucks that they couldn't balance the two teams and that they made last minute changes to favor one over the other. I think these issues along with the plot really helped kill toy sales for pato. I can still find tons of pato in the market, but no as much lupin.

I've never understood this line of argument. Patren #1 was absolutely as likeable and well-developed as Lupin Red -- he had almost as many focus-episodes -- and the two were ideal foils for each other. Patren #3 was infinitely more well-realized than Lupin Yellow, who was basically just the "cute young girl" archetype (I understand a lot of dude fans have a boner for Lupin Yellow's actress, which is super gross as she was 17 when the show was filmed, but that does not make her an interesting character). I'll grant you that Patren #2 was far less compelling than Lupin Blue, but having a weak comic-relief green ranger is almost expected for any Sentai team.

The reason Lupato's toy sales were low is because those toys were really fucking boring and had no relationship to the teams' overarching motifs. (I don't care how many padlock dials you stick on them as an afterthought, jets make NO SENSE for a team of Phantom Thieves.) The reason the plot petered out is because the villains had no concrete agenda or interesting motivation to drive the story forward. All of Lupato's problems can be traced back to those two elements far better than they can this supposed problem of character imbalance.

Somehow this notion got stuck in the ear of fandom, and no matter how much distance we get from the original broadcast, people can't seem to disabuse themselves of this unfounded critique. There are plenty of things to criticize Lupato for, but character development was arguably the show's greatest strength.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

They even went through the trouble of making a suit for PatKaizer Splash and it never got used. That's just sad.

Those suits were pretty modular, so it couldn't have been that hard to create a PatKaizer Splash variant. It's not like they had to build any new pieces -- all they had to do was swap in the arm module that they used for LupinKaizer Splash Magic.

Bringing the conversation back to Zenkaiger -- because this is a Zenkaiger thread, afterall -- I think the modular nature of mecha suits is extremely conducive to the half & half swap-out gimmick that's been rumored. Also, they're going to have to build a bunch of mechs anyway -- why would it be any more of a challenge to base them on past mechs as opposed to, like, beetles or whatever?

[Kurona]

Y'know, after all the talk of "Sentai is dying and that's why Saber has Sentai elements transferred over like the RBY riders, the ED and being double billed with another Rider summer movie!!!", I would love a Sentai to be bug-themed to hear the exact opposite claims

[KaiserBlue]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

I've never understood this line of argument. Patren #1 was absolutely as likeable and well-developed as Lupin Red -- he had almost as many focus-episodes -- and the two were ideal foils for each other. Patren #3 was infinitely more well-realized than Lupin Yellow, who was basically just the "cute young girl" archetype (I understand a lot of dude fans have a boner for Lupin Yellow's actress, but being attractive does not make her an interesting character). I'll grant you that Patren #2 was far less compelling than Lupin Blue, but having a weak comic-relief green ranger is almost expected for any Sentai team.

The reason Lupato's toy sales were low is because those toys were really fucking boring and had no relationship to the teams' overarching motifs. (I don't care how many padlock dials you stick on them as an afterthought, jets make NO SENSE for a team of Phantom Thieves.) The reason the plot petered out is because the villains had no concrete agenda or interesting motivation to drive the story forward. All of Lupato's problems can be traced back to those two elements far better than they can this supposed problem of character imbalance.

Somehow this notion got stuck in the ear of fandom, and no matter how much distance we get from the original broadcast, people can't seem to disabuse themselves of this unfounded critique. There are plenty of things to criticize Lupato for, but character development was arguably the show's greatest strength.



Those suits were pretty modular, so it couldn't have been that hard to create a PatKaizer Splash variant. It's not like they had to build any new pieces -- all they had to do was swap in the arm module that they used for LupinKaizer Splash Magic.

Bringing the conversation back to Zenkaiger -- because this is a Zenkaiger thread, afterall -- I think the modular nature of mecha suits is extremely conducive to the half & half swap-out gimmick that's been rumored. Also, they're going to have to build a bunch of mechs anyway -- why would it be any more of a challenge to base them on past mechs as opposed to, like, beetles or whatever?

Ok let me rephrase, i hated pato red, not the team just red. Patorangers motif wasn't that likeable, and the suits weren't as stylish as the lupin team. The sales , as meager as they were, were always in lupins favor bc of the motif being more appealing than patos. And planes are pretty sound vehicles for these phantom thieves. They could steal something, shoot out a plane and off they go, no traffic.

The sales have a lot to do with the show, thats why the show was made, to sell toys. If kids hated the show, the toys wouldn't sell. The plot went nowhere and the villains did next to nothing because the writing went nowhere, its was all about style over substance. The toys were also a radical departure, mixing a gun with trigger and dial based vehicles. I thought it was ingenious, but to each his own.

I think its odd you talk about making sense in relation to the changer. Kyoryuger used a gun and batteries to change, does that make sense? Sentai is whimsical, they get things to work that normally wouldn't, and have. To say that lupats morphers makes no sense is to ignore their intent. Lupinrangers unlocking their powers, the parangers firing their powers, since cops use guns. Kyoryuger did something similar, mixing guns and batteries, even if everything is covered in dinosaurs, its still guns and batteries, those dont normally go together either.

Also, kids don't care what makes sense, they care about how cool something is, that the show its from is cool, and that the toy is fun. The toys were fun in my opinion, but the shows plot was garbage and handled poorly, regardless of its high points and character development. if the storyline isn't head somewhere, everything in it is null. Kids didnt like it and the ones that did favored lupin for the cool factor and motif.

I get that many people like pato, i hated red, green and pink were alright. As you said Lupin yellow was generic, i didnt care for her, and lupin blue was cool as was red. The real star for me was x. As mishandled as the plot was, i loved the character and his mecha, his gun was trash but still cool with the allegiance switching gimmick.

And the upgrades were also more in number for lupin. Lupin got more spotlight.

As for zenkaiger, i orrated my thoughts on the last page. A splitting gimmick would be costly what with all the other joints and the gattai connections.

[KaiserBlue]

Man i hope zenkaigers mecha aren't puny. Relly hate the whole downsizing of mecha in recent years . Hopefully if zenkaioh is the same size as recent mecha, he's chonky and feature filled. With an anniversary season, i hope they pull gokaiger levels of great toys.

[Pinkranger]

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Originally Posted by KaiserBlue

My thoughts exactly, LuPat could in no way work as a mini series, neither could toqger, or any recent sentai. Way too much content with form changes, mecha, and character arc to compress into 10 eps. No recent sentai can be shortened that much, they are made with enough content for 25-35 episodes. I also believe theres is no way to feasably adapt 2 series in a year, thats ludicrous, it takes the production crew a year to finalize 1 series, no way in hell they could do 2. And Kyuuranger has way too many rangers to even try to do it as a second super season, what would the context be for all the additional rangers and how would they all get adequate screen time?

About zenkaiger, its more than likely that it will be another gokaiger situation with the legacy based powers. Bandai has shown a love for rail based encoding on their collectible gimmicks as well as going overboard in legacy seasons. It's more than likely a keybased gimmick, (not literal keys since gokaiger did those) like what they had for marvel disc wars and yokai watch. Something like those could easily fit in a morpher as well as be cheap and easy to produce for gashapon and candy toy, as well as stand apart from the gimmick items of previous installments.

With the mecha i highly doubt a splitting gimmick with the machines. Bandai always spends more, and produces more merchandise during anniversary seasons. That principle coupled with the recent trend of cost cutting and lower parts count with their sentai products, it would require a lot more plastic to engineer a combining mecha that homage 5 distinct series and then also have a splitting feature. With the amount of paint on each vehicle to the stability of the mecha when splitting it, it would cause issues with the mechas structural stability and cut into profit.

Maybe they do something crazy like that, it would be pricey and the engineering would have to be done a specific way, but it may help boost sentais' stagnating sales and reignite interest in the brand. But who knows. Just my two cents.

But toqger I think it will adapt in a mini series like kakuranger also had chracter arcs, different forms mecha, they skipped some of that to make mini series since trains r not that popular in US like they showed ninja to aliens, they might shows trains to something else, lupat considering it will be perfect for 2025 may have cross over with SPD
Production crew had many options to adapt which sentai they might finalize easily half year for one sentai another half for another sentai as far as kyuranger is concerned it had not done well because only few kyuranger got chracter development and back story in kyuranger imo they could make all rangers robots and aliens not humans they will need only voice actors with all having same backstory back story

Zenkaiger having gimmicks like gokaiger and also they have for mecha separately like ranger keys they put in mobirates to transform and in mecha coxkpit they have some key holes where they put a key to transform the gattai, though i think they might have separate this time one type of collectibles with morphers and another type with mecha

[msg]

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Originally Posted by KaiserBlue

A prediction has to be based on rumors or some form of evidence. Nothing that we've heard about Zenkaiger gives any notion of a chess theme. It's only been machines, machine world, and suits paying homage to previous mecha. No chess. What you stated isn't a prediction, but more in line with a hope or a guess.

Also, your use of JAKQ makes no sense. JAKQ was themed after playing cards, from the name referencing the jack playing card and each ranger suit referencing a different playing card suit. It made its playing card theme obvious. But as of yet, nothing of what we've hears about Zenkaiger gives the impression of a chess theme.

Ryusoulgers mooks and monsters had very pevalent chess themes though.

Sigh, its just a fun prediction. You said the chess pieces doesnt give the impression for zenkaiger as of yet, i could also said the same thing with youkais, animals, dinosaurs and others (except for vehicles and maybe bugs because insects are known to construct nests hence construction=machine). Also legit leaks are miniscule to say at least so far, so almost anything could be a "theme" for zenkaiger.

I chose chess pieces because of how jakq works and its formation. Also toei havent done chess pieces as one of its main theme so far. My prediction with zenkaiger got nothing to do with jakq themes. I believed its the only sentai so far to have a core of four members + big one. I dont consider big one as a core member. He's more like a "sixth" like starninger or zyuoh the world. This lead me to speculate what if zenkaiger have been following the same pattern as jakq like what kiramager did with gorenger. Kiramager colour scheme and rank is the same as the gorenger.

Chess pieces could work because they could use the past sentai robos or mechas act like a chess pieces during their fight against villains, big or small. Say for an example a blue knight zenkaiger have a set of boukenger mechas at his disposal using the zenkai gears and what have you. He could use it to formed daibouken or mix and match with other vehicular theme sentais like turboranger or kiramager...each chess pieces represent major themes of the super sentais like dinosaur based ss or magical based ss and so on

Red - king (daizyujin) - all dinosaurs and prehistoric animals based super sentai
Pink - queen (magiking) - all magical/mythological based ss
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White - bishop (mach) - zenkaiger very own mechas and other mechas that doesnt fit with the other 4 categories
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Blue - knight (daibouken) - all vehicular based ss
Green - rook (gaoking) - all existing animal beast based ss

Notice it has the same colour schemes as jakq...

So what if this turn out to be wrong? Its just a prediction ^_^

This is too long....

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by msg

almost anything could be a "theme" for zenkaiger.

But we already narrowed it down to the show being themed around machines and that gears will most likely be the gimmick items though. *scratches head* That said, a four-member team could be refreshing. Have not had one of those since Abaranger that is for sure, sans tsuika and bangai senshi characters.