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Here's the elaboration of the several possibilities: - If Shouma is 19 years old in 2024, then 18 years ago he (Kid Shouma) was only 1 year old, which makes no sense at all since it contradicts his appearance like shown in the flashback scenes. - If Shouma is 21 years old in 2024, then 18 years ago he (Kid Shouma) was only 3 year old, which also makes no sense at all since it contradicts his appearance like shown in the flashback scenes. - If Shouma is 23 years old in 2024, then 18 years ago he (Kid Shouma) was only 5 year old, which also makes no sense at all since it contradicts his appearance like shown in the flashback scenes. - If Shouma is 25 years old in 2024, then 18 years ago he (Kid Shouma) was 7 year old (as old as Kid Shouma's actor's age minus 3), which quite makes sense since it quite fits his appearance like shown in the flashback scenes. - If Shouma is 28 years old in 2024, then 18 years ago he (Kid Shouma) was 10 year old (as old as Kid Shouma's actor's age), which makes perfect sense since it fits his appearance like shown in the flashback scenes. Quote:
If I was limited to replying to only the posts addressed to me, then my post count would only be a tiny fraction of what it is now.
You typing out "the Granute of the week in episodes 17-18" makes me think that you're actively trying to call him anything but his actual name. "(bird?) Granute" is repetitive to have to read over and over again and doesn't even imply anything about his physical appearance other than maybe looking like a bird. It's unnecessary. Quote:
You make it sound like getting a job is easy, regardless of Granute super strength. There's no point talking about a hypothetical character who isn't socially awkward (almost like he's been locked away from the outside world or something, oh wait, he was), as then we wouldn't be talking about Shouma anymore. This is the setting and characters we've got, so this is what I'm concerned with. Even if Shouma could get a job, that wouldn't bring him happiness. Sachika's main role is to give Shouma happiness, not just jobs. So Sachika is essential for Caking's creation.
Shouma doesn't necessarily need his Granute strength to get a job. Even without using his Granute strength, he could simply use the Gochizous to help him make his job easier. In my post in episode 5 thread here I already elaborated on several different jobs he can choose from, only by relying on all the natural abilities he has right now. No need to rely on Sachika at all. If you say that Shouma can't get a job because he's socially awkward, then how was he able to initiate a friendly help to complete strangers like shown in episode 3 @ 06:14? I also think that Shouma should be socially awkward (or rather: 1000% socially dysfunctional) due to the abusive upbringing by Bouche, but please, please, please Gavv writers & producers, write it in a consistent manner. Don't flip-flop just to make certain plots/scenes happen. Flip-flopping between 2 completely opposite characterization just to make certain plots/scenes happen is peak cheap, lazy, heavy-handed writing. It only makes Shouma look like a person with bipolar personality disorder. Gavv 03 @ 06:14 ![]() Quote:
Regarding Shouma's age, I'm open to the suggestion that he might be slightly older than Chinen, but only slightly, most likely early 20s. 25-28 would be excessive, as that would make him older than 23 year-old Hanto. Unless we consider differences in longevity between humans and Granutes. How old is an old Granute anyway?
"What makes no sense at all is Kid Shouma's age 18 years ago, not the fact that Hanto's mom was alive after being kidnapped by the elusive Wolf Granute. Like I said, if Shouma is now 19 years old (like the actor), then 18 years ago Kid Shouma was only 1 year old. From the flashback scenes it's obvious that Kid Shouma is not a 1 year old kid." Quote:
You don't get to call my points wrong simply by presenting your argument and then immediately shutting down the debate:
"Ah, I've just remembered that this is Gochard's thread, so this should be my last post talking about Gaim here, haha." The lawyer doesn't get to shut down the prosecutor. The case is open. Like I said, I'm willing to present my counterargument, but I'm not interested in debating for the sake of being right. It needs to be constructive and right now, it's clear that you don't want your essay to be challenged. So I won't, but I assure you that I can. And if you call my bluff, then I will. I stopped my response in that thread not only because all your wrong points had been completely refuted, but also because the thread was about KR Gotchard, not KR Gaim. If you want to bring up KR Gaim in a thread not about KR Gaim, then it's your choice. Maybe another member in this forum will respond to you, but I won't. Quote:
Yeah, let's say hello to Kudo Rinne who's intentionally not supposed to be a good heroine since her main role is officially Gotchard's co-protagonist according to Producer Minato. We've already been through this. Why are you still judging her based on irrelevant criteria?
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What makes no sense at all is Kid Shouma's age 18 years ago, not the fact that Hanto's mom was alive after being kidnapped by the elusive Wolf Granute. Like I said, if Shouma is now 19 years old (like the actor), then 18 years ago Kid Shouma was only 1 year old. From the flashback scenes it's obvious that Kid Shouma is not a 1 year old kid.
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Bruuuhhh... I already refuted how completely wrong almost all your points were in the same exact post, and I refuted them not only with timestamps but also with screenshots. Almost all your points were based on faulty reasoning, straw man arguments, or just being plain wrong. If faulty reasoning, straw man arguments, or just being plain wrong were how you based your arguments on, then I saw no reason to continue the debate. I saw no reason to continue the debate against someone who clearly had no intention of using critical thinking, logic, rationality, and common sense at all. I saw no reason to continue the debate against someone whose intention was clearly to misunderstand reality.
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Not sure if I'll bother indulging your arguments again, so for now, I'll just leave you with some profound advice: If you're going to ask questions and decline answers, at least try answering those questions on your own to reach a conclusion where you were wrong instead of "right". That's what critical thinking really means. Quote:
But in the memories with kid Shouma there are no dates indicated. The only thing we can take as a starting point is that Hanto?s mother was kidnapped 18 years ago. If we accept that the Wolf Granute from the flashback is not Shouma, but another patient, and the flashback itself is a memory of the red Gavv, then Shouma does not have to age at all. This, by the way, is partly supported by the fact that the flashback about Hanto?s mother at the factory did not bring a headache, unlike the memory about her abduction.
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But in the memories with kid Shouma there are no dates indicated. The only thing we can take as a starting point is that Hanto?s mother was kidnapped 18 years ago. If we accept that the Wolf Granute from the flashback is not Shouma, but another patient, and the flashback itself is a memory of the red Gavv, then Shouma does not have to age at all. This, by the way, is partly supported by the fact that the flashback about Hanto?s mother at the factory did not bring a headache, unlike the memory about her abduction.
Gavv 02 @ 21:12 ![]() Gavv 02 @ 21:16 ![]() Gavv 20 @ 12.20 ![]() I've hypothesized about the elusive Wolf Granute being Kid Shouma in berserk mode since my post in episode 6(!) thread here due to it having a red Gavv as well (albeit natural/unmodified), although in the same post I also mentioned the obvious weird fact that the elusive Wolf Granute had an adult-size body much much much bigger than Kid Shouma's body. Also, in my post in episode 3(!) thread here I did mention the possibility of the existence of another Granute who had a red Gavv like Shouma does, though not necessary a human-Granute hybrid. In the same post I also mentioned the possibility of the elusive Wolf Granute being a 100% normal/pure-blood Granute (not a human-Granute hybrid) but used the prototype/trial version of the red Gavv, and the final version is the one implanted by Dente into Shouma's body. The question about the real identity, whereabouts, and the fate of the elusive Wolf Granute who kidnapped Hanto's mom 18 years ago would also likely be answered in episode 23 or in the next episodes before 30. Quote:
"I call a spade a spade, a knife a knife. I call a failure a failure, and I'm afraid that Gotchard fits the description of a failure. I won't be surprised if 5, 10, or 20 years later all my criticisms (about Gotchard, (God forbid) Geats, Revice, KR Outsiders, etc.) are proven to be 1000% bullshit. I'm aware of the possibility that I may have been bullshitting and lying to myself and the world. On the other hand, if reality prove 20 years later that my criticisms are correct, I also won't be surprised... at all." Quote:
![]() ![]() ![]() When cornered, you usually resorted to straw man arguments, and now you've just also resorted to ad hominem arguments. The more I interact with you, the more you convince me that you have no intention at all to engage in a debate by using critical thinking, logic, rationality, and common sense. The more I interact with you, the more you convince me that your only intentions are to defend the indefensible and to misunderstand reality. Since you've just pretty much demonstrated that you have no interest at all in engaging in a debate by using critical thinking, logic, rationality, and common sense, I must stop my response here and I consider this my final response. ![]() |
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Memories about Kid Shouma do have no date/timestamp, but the clothes worn by Hanto's mom when she was kidnapped by the elusive wolf Granute (like shown in Hanto's very first flashback scene in episode 2 from @ 21:12-21:29) and the clothes worn by Hanto's mom when she encountered Kid Shouma for the first time (like shown in Shouma's very first flashback scene that involved Hanto's mom in episode 20 from @ 12:13-12:36) are virtually identical, which means that those 2 events (the event when Hanto's mom was kidnapped by the elusive wolf Granute and the event when she encountered Kid Shouma for the first time) happened at a very close time range, if not at the same day.
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