[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by mdo7

And if you want to see more evidence of people in the US watching foreign-language dramas:

By the way, this graph proves my statement that even high-quality English dubbing... is not very high quality, compared to dubbing in other countries.Or, to make my statement sound less offensive, I will still say that the art of dubbing in English-speaking countries is less developed for certain reasons.

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So I'm probably the only forumite on Tokunation that is able to watch tokusatsu, wuxia drama, Korean TV dramas, Taiwanese TV dramas, Mainland Chinese-language TV dramas.

Well, I watch everything too. But the difference is that I can find most other content in my native language, at least with subtitles, and sometimes with dubbing, both fan and professional. But I have to watch tokusatsu on English-language sites, due to the lack of translation and political bans on certain resources. But, recently, the situation is changing for the better due to the initiative of one fan-translator.
To answer your question: "Why is tokusatsu less popular?" I think the reason is in the country of origin, namely Japan. Most Japanese translators work on anime, which are produced in huge quantities. And, if you can still pay attention to films and regular dramas, then tokusatsu is work for the whole year. Well, demand creates supply and the like.
Also features of the genre. Tokusatsu has its own specifics and not everyone is ready to accept costume monsters in the 21st century. Now post-modernism reigns in pop culture, and even expensive superhero blockbusters engage in either deconstruction or parody. Also, anime also took quite a long time to catch on and it took time and several real masterpieces to become a real masterpiece.This is more difficult to achieve in tokusatsu due to the dominance of franchises in the genre. 50 seasons of 40+ episodes will scare off many. Doctor Who needed a new start to gain worldwide popularity. Also, tokusatsu is aimed at children, and, oddly enough, children's translated content is not very popular. That is, it is unlikely that many will include Doraemon in their list of the best anime.
Everything I write is true for my country, but taking into account what I wrote above about dubbing, it should be true for the USA to an even greater extent.

[Mesnick]

Returning to PR, my unpopular opinion for today: is PR fundamentally different from remakes in some way? I mean, I personally think that A Fistful of Dollars is vastly inferior to Yojimbo, but few would argue that the film shouldn't exist. Yes, PR is not wasted on filming the most expensive scenes, but at the same time making much more changes to the plot (especially in the Era of Zordon). Isn't this better than repeating a scene from the original with a larger budget?
And to catch up: if they had preferred dubbing Sentai to the creation of PR, nothing fundamentally would have changed. Don't forget that this would be a Japanese children's show on American television in the 90s. So in the end it turned out to be the same PR, but with the original actors. And instead of Era Zordon there would be an American version of Zyurangers, Dairangers, etc. The shortcomings of which would also be revealed in our time. And so at least a bunch of aspiring American and New Zealand actors were able to earn money.

[gashatfreak]

Considering how this thread is 'unpopular tokusatsu opinions', I might as well throw in mine:

Kamen Rider Drive got boring after Drive's identity was publicly revealed.

[mdo7]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Oh gosh not this again.

Hopefully this doesn't make the mods lock this thread like last time.

Calm down, I'm not going to press on this topic. But it's a serious unpopular opinion and something that legitimately should've been talked about more and more when it comes to trying to get people that watch foreign-language dramas (including wuxia drama, and fantasy K-dramas) to crossover to tokusatsu.

But again, I find it disturbing on Tokunation forum that I seem to be the only one that watched tokusatsu, wuxia drama, K-dramas (including sci-fi and fantasy K-dramas), and somehow beside me, nobody on this forum was not be able to form a similar thought set and approach like me about why tokusatsu genre is less popular in the US other genre that have similar thing in tokusatsu have gained mainstream popularity with those audiences demographic.

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Originally Posted by DreamSword

Just because B is more popular than A does not mean that A isn't still popular.

There should've been a massive crossover of K-drama fans that watched wuxia/Xianxia genre crossing over to tokusatsu already. In other word, there should've been already a jump in toku fanbase from people that watched sci-fi and fantasy K-dramas and wuxia and xianxia drama genre.

I mean as I said, it's easy for toku fans to crossover to wuxia and xianxia and probably also fantasy K-drama, and yes the opposite is true, you can have wuxia/xianxia fans crossover to tokusatsu easily because of the similarities between tokusatsu and wuxia genre.

So something's wrong here, we have more tokusatsu catalog in the US recently in the last few years, but I have not seen evidence of fanbases of fantasy K-drama and wuxia/xianxia crossover to tokusatsu. There should've been a massive crossover of that already given that a lot of foreign-language dramas have gained popularity in the US for the last few years and that include K-dramas and I assume a large crossover of people that watch fantasy K-dramas watching wuxia and xianxia drama genre.

That's what I find very disturbing and I'll end this talk here. But please keep that in mind when all of you finished reading my post.

[Enchilada645]

Honestly I find it more disturbing that you're still on this same kick after 3 years.

I feel as though the thread you linked to in your initial post was closed for a reason and while you did mention ending the talks here, I genuinely don't believe you. Purely because after 3 years of inactivity one of the first things you do is dredge up something no one was talking about alongside linking to a thread that if I've reread correctly, got on a lot of people's nerves.

[gashatfreak]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

And so at least a bunch of aspiring American and New Zealand actors were able to earn money.

Were the original PR actors actually paid well? I remember watching something that stated they got taken advanatge of because they weren't unionised or something.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Were the original PR actors actually paid well? I remember watching something that stated they got taken advanatge of because they weren't unionised or something.

No. Austin St John, Thuy Trang, and Walter Jones were fired from the show because they were trying to negotiate better pay for the cast.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Were the original PR actors actually paid well? I remember watching something that stated they got taken advanatge of because they weren't unionised or something.

Well, little money is better than zero.

[gashatfreak]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

No. Austin St John, Thuy Trang, and Walter Jones were fired from the show because they were trying to negotiate better pay for the cast.

Dang. That sucks.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Well, little money is better than zero.

I disagree. Acting is pretty much physical labor, and when they're paying you crumbs, that little money may as well be zero.

[Matrixbeast]

Also doesn't help that they were the faces of a smash hit, soon-to-be billion dollar phenomenon, and they were being paid pennies.

They disagreed on the salary offer for the 3rd season, as by this point the cast was well aware of the money the show was making, as well as having to film the movie that was soon entering production (Which they would've gotten paid for separately, yes, but still, it's a lot of fucking work)

They made the common play to threaten to walk if the pay wasn't raised, as the assumption was that production wasn't going to let half the cast disappear overnight.
Turns out, Saban was 100% willing to do just that and just fire them outright.