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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Without going back to watch the episodes in full myself, I can't really get too deep into any counterargument, so I'll probably leave it at this, but -- did Tamura ever directly express concern for the well-being of "her" patients anywhere in the story? Because if her only real concern the whole time was just whether or not she'd be holding a scalpel, the basics of the narrative might check out more than you're giving them credit for.

I thought about that scene before, but it's hard for me to take the side of her dad/boss here. (Jesus, there are probably rules about this, too!) For the episode's only real pre-Yummy pushback on her attitude, it just reads to me more as a woman whose professional career and ability to save lives is being stymied for no clear reason. I feel like her saying "my patients" shows more concern for them than her dad/boss clarifying that they're the hospital's patients, you know? She's the better surgeon, and more likely to save them, and her boss/dad is handing those patients -- that she's been working with, presumably -- over to completely different doctors.

And, like, I don't want to fight you on this, because I think what you're saying is what the episode thinks it's saying. I just don't think it's really in the text of the first part the way the second part assumes.

[Zatyme]

The OOO portion of the movie is always bizarre as it’s so abundantly clear that Inoue is writing based on an earlier draft of the series what with Eiji’s part time job schtick and Ankh being shady as all shit. As that is one pf the major things about OOO it got rewritten alot behind the scenes for a variety of reasons. From the natural chemistry between Eiji and Ankh’s actors changing the plans for the show, to the same set of natural disaters that lead to Gokaiger get back a lot more veteran actors than they intended causing OOO to get considerably softened in it’s ending arcs

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Originally Posted by Zatyme

The OOO portion of the movie is always bizarre as it?s so abundantly clear that Inoue is writing based on an earlier draft of the series what with Eiji?s part time job schtick and Ankh being shady as all shit.

I don't know that I had a huge problem with this film's conceit of Eiji working a million part time jobs. Between Cous Coussier being closed while Chiyoko is at Carnivale, and Eiji suddenly giving a bunch of money to strangers, I think it works that he's picking up a bunch of short-term work.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Zatyme

The OOO portion of the movie is always bizarre as it?s so abundantly clear that Inoue is writing based on an earlier draft of the series what with Eiji?s part time job schtick and Ankh being shady as all shit. As that is one pf the major things about OOO it got rewritten alot behind the scenes for a variety of reasons. From the natural chemistry between Eiji and Ankh?s actors changing the plans for the show, to the same set of natural disaters that lead to Gokaiger get back a lot more veteran actors than they intended causing OOO to get considerably softened in it?s ending arcs

Yeah, I've always gotten the vibes that this movie was written off of an outdated show bible that didn't reflect how the show would eventually evolve. Ending on a stinger of Gotou as Birth is definitely a sign of this.

I don't know the full behind the scenes story, but I remember that there were a lot of rumored plot developments while OOO was airing that ended up not coming to pass. It's always given me the sense - accurate or not - that OOO was really being made up on the fly.

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

It's always given me the sense - accurate or not - that OOO was really being made up on the fly.

The theme song has made this very clear: Anything Goes!

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

The theme song has made this very clear: Anything Goes!

Hey, if it works it works.

[Zatyme]

Oh yeah I completely forgot about Giru/Gill being just a 6th standard Greeed that the others just know about.

[Androzani84]

So this was the first proper OOO related thing I watched, so I have definite soft spot for this one. Mostly because I didn’t have reference for the discrepancies with the tv show.

As for why those discrepancies happened, the script was written when the only available material from the show was a half-written first draft of the first episode, with Inoue being told about later developments that were intended to have been implemented by the point the movie came out (two new combos, the Kougami Foundation making its own Rider, Dr. Maki being a creepy amoral scientist and Eiji and Hina hanging out at a foreign themed restaurant). So if anything, it’s amazing the finished product has much resemblance to the finished show.

As for casting trivia, the guy playing Nobunaga doesn’t have any prior roles to this (we’re not on the train for his other Tokusatsu villain role), but he retired in 2016, citing his lack of fame and talent as an actor.

But I can talk about these two cameos.

Sentai-lert

We have Teruaki Ogawa, of Kakuranger and Gingaman fame playing an office worker at the company Nobunaga finds work at, but we also have the later Yuka Motohashi of Carranger fame in this movie (though as who, I’m not sure)

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Originally Posted by Zatyme

Oh yeah I completely forgot about Giru/Gill being just a 6th standard Greeed that the others just know about.

Yeah, the Greeed are just like Classic Gil midway through the movie, and that's all we get.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

So this was the first proper OOO related thing I watched, so I have definite soft spot for this one. Mostly because I didn?t have reference for the discrepancies with the tv show.

That was sort of my experience a few years back? Rewatching it outside of an OOO rewatch, I felt like it was an incredibly faithful OOO experience, since it seemed like it was at least talking about the correct stuff thematically. Watching it between Episode 14 and 15, it feels a lot jankier, because you can see all of the missing elements with nothing else in their place.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

So this was the first proper OOO related thing I watched, so I have definite soft spot for this one. Mostly because I didn?t have reference for the discrepancies with the tv show.

This is probably the best way to watch this one.