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03-17-2022, 04:06 PM | #201 |
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The idea that the show was going to do something like this, bring back old characters but not letting them get in on the action, really bummed me out. It may be shallow, but even by this point there was one main draw for me with this show and it wasn't the new characters. This episode, along with the whole "Riders were erased from history, but we're cool with that" nature of the Ridewatches are big factors in why I started getting such a negative view of Zi-O from pretty early on.
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03-17-2022, 04:12 PM | #202 |
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It may be shallow, but even by this point there was one main draw for me with this show and it wasn't the new characters. This episode, along with the whole "Riders were erased from history, but we're cool with that" nature of the Ridewatches are big factors in why I started getting such a negative view of Zi-O from pretty early on.
I didn't like the episode a whole lot, but it wasn't a total miss for me.
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03-17-2022, 04:24 PM | #203 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 6 - ?555-913-2003?
I don?t care about Karin and Sakuma in this story. It?s bloodless melodrama. Sakuma?s feelings are histrionic and unconvincing. He?s just sweaty, constantly, as though that fills in the blanks of his relationship with Karin. Karin, naturally, is no better. She?s desperate to sacrifice herself for Sakuma?s freedom from guilt, and she?s beatific in her weird particle dispersal (?). None of it feels like a real person's behavior or actions; either of them, both of them. Quote:
The idea of a story built around sacrifice ? that it?s easier to die for someone than live for yourself ? is something that feels more indebted to the Ryusei School dinks and their mascot, Delta, than it really does for either Takumi or Kusaka. It?s not really how I remember either of them? Kusaka dies from his sacrifice, sure, but it wasn?t exactly a series-long motivation. And Takumi? Jesus, it took Takumi most of a season to even fight for people, let alone care enough to sacrifice for them. (I mean, there?s the iconic If Fighting Is A Sin, Then LET ME BE DAMNED speech, but I always took that as more about society?s judgment than, like, death.) The idea of trying to ground a story of sacrifice in two of the most aggressively antagonistic and homicidally opposed Riders in all of Heisei (and that counts the ones from the battle royale seasons) is? what? No. No, I?m not seeing it.
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It wasn?t a total loss, though. The action was phenomenal, especially/exclusively the Geiz/Another Faiz fight. I don?t love the Faiz Armor (the cellphone shoulder pads are a bit of a shrug, design-wise) but the fight choreography was really fun to watch. There?s a lot of lateral movement in the blocking, making the one-on-one brawl feel like a fighting game. There?s also? there?s this shot when the RIDER mark shoots onto Geiz?z mask, and the camera pulls in with it, that I really liked. Fun action photography!
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O COMPLEMENTATION PROJECT EPISODE 6.5 - ?THE SECRET OF FOURZE 555?
I?m not sure which gag I liked better: that Takumi and Kusaka are collectively so untrustworthy and abrasive that Team Zi-O bails on them without even saying goodbye, or that this installment just relentless buries the Faiz Legend Riders and worships at the altar of the Fourze guys who were too busy making Bleach to guest-star in this series. It?s great, though. Takumi and Kusaka?s increasingly thin attempts to connect Faiz and Fourze are a delight, nearly reaching the point of suggesting that cellphones send signals through space, and Fourze is a space Rider, so they?re totally connected. I could watch the two of them unconvincingly bullshit about Kamen Rider shows forever. Good bless these two lunatics. Quote:
I guess I don't see Tsukuyomi that way? She's shown herself to be a confident and outgoing person (she definitely is fine talking to strangers and/or getting Sougo thrown off of a bridge), so her reluctance to befriend Sougo feels like it comes more from I Might Have To Kill You, then it does from any personality conflicts.
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I was drawn into Yuji and his story right from the getgo. One theme in stories that I'm a huge sucker for is Duality, and Faiz had that in spades in its early days, instantly making me really into it for the first two acts. Yuji being a main protagonist while also being the "bad guy" in that he was the Horse Orphenoch was a great hook, and I really dug his arc on trying to hang onto his humanity despite almost everything in the world telling him not to, even going so far as try and bring peace and unity to both sides.
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03-17-2022, 04:33 PM | #204 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP06)
I really really loved this one at the time, and I suspect I still would on a rewatch. I can sort of see where your gripes are coming from, Die, but I don't know, I thought there were way too many legitimately clever things about how this two-parter was plotted to find myself getting hung up on that stuff. Quote:
The idea of a story built around sacrifice ? that it?s easier to die for someone than live for yourself ? is something that feels more indebted to the Ryusei School dinks and their mascot, Delta, than it really does for either Takumi or Kusaka. It?s not really how I remember either of them? Kusaka dies from his sacrifice, sure, but it wasn?t exactly a series-long motivation. And Takumi? Jesus, it took Takumi most of a season to even fight for people, let alone care enough to sacrifice for them. (I mean, there?s the iconic If Fighting Is A Sin, Then LET ME BE DAMNED speech, but I always took that as more about society?s judgment than, like, death.)
I'm not sure how relevant any of this is to how much this Zi-O episode does or does not land its thematic connections for you, but, like, as a fellow Faiz fan, I felt the need to speak up on this. Of course, with how wonderfully complex and depthful the cast of Faiz is, I suppose there's always room for a wide range of equally valid interpretations of Inoue's masterfully written characters! (Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP07) I remember utterly adoring the atmosphere of this one is pretty much exactly the same way I adore Wizard's. It's laid-back in a way that lets you really soak in each moment, and while in my post at the time, I said I didn't feel like much significant actually happened, skimming back through it, it feels like it's moving more pieces of the story along in a meaningful way than I remember? Of course, back then, I hadn't seen the second half of the two-parter...
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03-17-2022, 04:34 PM | #205 |
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This explains the actual relation between Faiz and Fourze being pitted here though... it's not about the numbers. It's about the letters on Fourze's limbs, circle on elbow (Phi - Faiz), also X (Chi - Kaixa), and triangle (Delta) on legs. And about both series centered around school.... The Ryusei School. As well as how Ryusei School exists to search for the Orphnoch King, thus fits Zi-O's theme too about being King (and King is "Oh" in Japanese and Fourze's pronounciation had that too; Fo-OH-rze).
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03-17-2022, 04:42 PM | #206 |
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I'm not sure how relevant any of this is to how much this Zi-O episode does or does not land its thematic connections for you, but, like, as a fellow Faiz fan, I felt the need to speak up on this. Of course, with how wonderfully complex and depthful the cast of Faiz is, I suppose there's always room for a wide range of equally valid interpretations of Inoue's masterfully written characters!
cheap shot, buddy cheap shot Honestly, though, you're not wrong. Takumi's a hero throughout Faiz, and his inability to see that or own other people's praise is a major thread for his character. I'm happy to live down to his view of himself? Beyond that, I'm not still not finding much here. The idea that Sacrifice has any application to Takumi in this story is weird to me -- what's he sacrificing, a day off from the dry cleaner's? -- and the idea that it has anything to do with the cast of Zi-O in this story is laughable. It's still a super weird, tangential-at-best moral for an otherwise run of the mill episode.
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03-17-2022, 05:41 PM | #207 |
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Sheesh. I go to bed, get up, go to work, come back, and find not one, but two updates from you?
So I haven't even looked at Wizard covers yet, and I'd rather not post two of these at once, so I'm just going to drop Faiz today and put down the Wizard one next time, since two tributes aren't sharing the same story this time. I also wanted to say that I came across as too harsh toward Remy last time. His covers stray far from the meaning of the originals, but that's the dilemna with translating music, isn't is? If you are too accurate, the words won't fix the song, and if they too, it's hard to come anywhere close to the original meaning. Remy writes great lyrics that sound like they belong with the music and fit the theme of the show perfectly, as if they always belonged. They just aren't really translation. They are, however, good songs. Anyhow, this person takes the opposite approach, so this version can be a bit awkward at times, but this is a pretty decent cover, I think. |
03-17-2022, 05:53 PM | #208 |
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I also wanted to say that I came across as too harsh toward Remy last time. His covers stray far from the meaning of the originals, but that's the dilemma with translating music, isn't is? If you are too accurate, the words won't fix the song, and if they too, it's hard to come anywhere close to the original meaning.
Trying to get the cadence of the lyrics to match, while being constructed out of completely different syllables... that's tough! I can't imagine you can do it well without having there be some trade-offs.
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03-17-2022, 06:20 PM | #209 |
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Tomorrow...
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03-17-2022, 06:23 PM | #210 |
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Today, I talk about two old men try to kill each other, with something about friendship and space or something, and cheap magicians going bad.
Again, I have no context on Faiz aside from some minor details and mentions, so I can't exactly compare him to his original. That said, it's kind of funny how you don't really need context for these two? Since Takumi's already lost his powers, this is basically a blank slate of the character, and yet some of the tidbits of him I know just slightly shine through. I get I'm probably absolutely wrong here, but my only experience with him was the Showa Vs. Heisei, so you know how good my image of him is... But anyway, I liked the battle between Another Fourze and Faiz taking place in different times to add an extra gimmick to this arc. Yet as stated in the .5 episode, you have to absolutely grasp straws to find the connections, which while some were clever, aren't exactly valid. I did mention how Decade's Faiz was centered around a high school, but the only thing that even remotely counts as a "connection" being their names (Fourze=4, Faiz=5. Again, grasping at straws. Also, obligatory numbers theory meme), but that's it. In the end, we all know Decade sent Gentaro and Ryusei to BLEACH world (which is still funny how they acknowledge that). The Wizard arc... Well, once again, not much to say right now, but I love Another Wizard's design, like the skeleton hand for the driver, or how the jewel motif looks less radiant, but this is one of my favorite Another Rider designs. But boy, does Toei like to tease us with the brief glimpses of Legacy Characters, only to not have them when the actual episode rolls around. Like, I get that most the actors aren't easy or willing to come back, and I honestly don't mind the teases, but Gentarou and Haruto's glimpses are some things I know I've seen a lot of Endgame Hawkeye memes for. On another note, I always look forward to Woz's speeches. |
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