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06-19-2022, 01:52 PM | #11 |
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Mama & Papa putting on a fake fight to make Ikki think about how he solved his fights with Daiji in the past was the cutest thing, I really liked that. It’s great to see these characters interact like this after seeing the Vail special; these two really are made for each other.
Rest of the episode was interesting too; I weirdly enjoy the idea that Akaishi sees a kindred spirit in Daiji. Maybe Akaishi has potential as a character beyond the boring villain, because eventually he might realize that he is the one who isolates Daiji and puts him through the same torment he had to endure for so long. Which is another nice thing about Akaishi – he always thought he did the right thing, but was always alone because of it. I never thought about it like that before. The Weekend drama was quite nice too, even though I still don’t care about Over Demons, and I say “Over Demons” specifically because I still haven’t memorized the name of the character behind it. He’s just so … bland. Even if the scenes he partakes in have worked for me. Next week seems promising because Papa goes to the offensive, maybe Kamen Rider Vail can return as a heroic character when the demon Vail gets suppressed by his other half? And also – the weird trooper Riders. No thank you. I certainly hope it’s not Hiromi transforming here, I want the real Demons back! |
06-19-2022, 01:58 PM | #12 |
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One of the biggest thoughts I keep having about this show, something I think is potentially really smart that I haven't seen anyone ever bring up, is how the show seems to consciously be avoiding making Giff a real character? It just seems really clear to me, from how he started off a literal prop, and how we only ever hear backstory about him secondhand, that it's probably more than just the writing forgetting to flesh out the main villain. Obviously we've seen Giff casually eating people and everything, so like, probably not the nicest space monster around, but it seems to me the show actively refuses to show objectively what Giff is and what exactly he wants, because if they did, that would become the one, singular truth, and a big thematic crux of this show is that everyone has their own version of that.
I wonder, if I went back and rewatched this show from the beginning, would I understand exactly what Revice wants to showcase and reflect on with the cast. I definitely have all the puzzle pieces in my hands: "family", "self-love", "what is justice", "society and how it fails us", "freedom and peace".......but when I try to put it together, they're not clicking as well as I'd like them to be? Perhaps the final piece is yet to come. Or maybe some of the pieces simply don't exist, and I'll be left with an unfinished puzzle. Who's to say, honestly. |
06-19-2022, 02:45 PM | #13 |
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I think Revice is definitely one of those shows that's gonna benefit from a binge watch versus having to watch on a weekly schedule
Like Daiji's development honestly makes perfect sense when you remember he was the same guy from way back in Episode 1 who hesitated to act because he feared getting innocents hurt. But when you haven't seen those character traits play out in the plot for several months, this aspect of him kinda gets lost on you
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06-19-2022, 02:54 PM | #14 |
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I feel Daiji's character arc makes a lot more sense once you look at it from his point of view. And he voices it perfectly against Ikki. How many people need to die in the fight against Giff?
Daiji makes it actively clear why he sides with Akaishi. He's making a purely mathematical decision. Siding with Giff means they don't have to lose any more lives to him. ...Granted, I'm pretty sure siding with him also means he turns you into demons, considering his seemingly infinite army of them probably came from somewhere. But Daiji isn't looking at the bigger picture. Akaishi taking on a fatherly role to Daiji is a curious situation. Didn't expect that. Seems he's grown from merely seeing him as a tool and actually started to care. His little interaction with Weekend dad made him remember what it was like to have a family. Anyway, I think this episode was eh, overall. I think Ikki needs to understand empathy a little better. Daiji is broken. Trying to physically break him down further won't help. He needs to stand tall and make Daiji see that they stand a fighting chance.
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06-19-2022, 04:22 PM | #15 |
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The show once again reminds that it is not afraid to kill characters, leaving Hikaru a complete orphan even without a fake family. I hope he gets at least some kind of revenge, and does not die before the final. The idea of solving everything with a fight doesn't work, because Ikki and Daiji aren't on opposite sides, but fight for different things. In fact, with such an approach, Daiji's position seems to be much more significant, because why did Ikki get the idea that under Giff's rule, people will definitely be unhappy? Akaishi won all the previous episodes grinning from ear to ear. By the way, about him...
He's much more impressive as a villain in this episode, but I have a feeling he's just a different character. Again, the writers should have paid more attention to his relationship with Daiji, otherwise he was somehow too sharply twisted. Sakura's consolation scene was definitely a success. In principle, it's great that in this episode there was something for the non-main Riders, although it still seems that there are more of them than the show really needs. |
06-20-2022, 08:12 AM | #16 |
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So the standard Kamen Rider motto has been uttered by Ikki here, which ironically, Tamaki had him beat in that.
I'm quite mixed regarding the Ikki and Daiji battle here, on one hand, I like it that, Daiji is established as unshakable in his extremist belief regarding Giff, and he still is not swayed easily here. Daiji should not be suddenly swayed easily only because Ikki had more resolve and is more prepared in facing a rogue family member. But on the other hand, I'm still disappointed about Ikki not giving full explanations yet. about how by letting Daiji talk, Daiji talked about how Giff is so overpowered and everyone had witnessed that. Like the Weekend against edited footage, Ikki should've countered with another power showing, about how Ultimate Revi/Vice did block Giff's beam (the very part Ikki knows they stand a chance against Giff). Instead he talked about the teamwork with hsi friends and family to overcome Giff. That still doesn't show to Daiji if they're successful or failed, so the proof is still not completely clear to Daiji. Even though I like that Ultimate Revi/Vice consistently clowns Holy Live in fight if he gets his shit together. Yukimi returns as the usual voice of reason regarding the family meddlings, this time about how siblings can regularly fight and it's normal, or in this case it can be better that they're letting each other know what are their feelings. Though the flashbacks seem to portray it in the most lighthearted way they can, it's not touched upon regarding sibling fights that can go out of the hand (outside of Rider fighting). Her fighting with Genta, admittedly, was something that surprised me as Yukimi's the only one to fully appreciate Genta between the family, but of course, it was just an acting, and shows that the other family members aren't any more reasonable for putting down goofy antics from Genta. Other than that, I kind of appreciate what they're doing with Akaishi here. Though previously he had been established as a well-intentioned extremist, the first one to try ensuring humanity's existence before Daiji (well he followed him after all), as well as not killing the Igarashis because of them being technically family to him (as Giff's descendant), they live up into said Akaishi's trait here, by being respectful and pitying against Tasuke, giving him his condolences about his lost family and putting his family photo on his chest. Of course, you can give someone respect while being evil, as Akaishi still killed Tasuke after all (attempted for Hikaru). And there's him showing more about how he sees the Igarashis as his family, specifically, the ones who reciprocated him back, like Daiji, by sharing his feelings with him (and puzzled at his show of empathy) and 'saving' Daiji away. This now makes more sense of why Akaishi doesn't finish off the Igarashis. I already thought this before, but this cements more that, power threat aside, Akaishi's relatively better than Orteca, other than his proposed noble intentions, though he'd kill those who are obstacles in his ways. But... turns out that while it's good he's not turning into a Rider, Akaishi still got full monster form instead of keeping his human form like his first fight with human Daiji. Of which Akaishi 'comforting' Daiji was the one, of all scenes, parallels with Aguilera comforting Sakura. I guess often than beating up those on Giff's side, Aguilera should also try interacting with others better, starting with Sakura here (to be specific, talking to someone who's downed), as well as returning the favor to her. Actually she's still rather stiff and the hug feels rather forced, but it probably makes sense, considering who she is formerly (she still had some harshness to Tamaki before, but not abusive anymore). But it's not really seen on how she consoles Sakura, after allowing her to talk to her as much as she likes. I guess Hikaru now deserves some credit in this episode. Though actually I rather like him telling off Tasuke more than his stand off against Giffdemos. Here Tasuke extends his ruthless approach to those outside his fake family, to force Ikki and others completely dispose Daiji as Weekend's enemy (and Ikki's not even an official member!), using shoot first ask later method with little regard. But as Hikaru stated, this 'professional' and 'task-oriented' approach is actually just being a control freak and imposing his decisions on everyone else. He's practically pulling stuff similar to Ikki's 'busybody' antics, but in a directly destructive way. But too often that, this type of approach by someone is handwaved away due to how said person has seniority or holding higher position (Tasuke is Masumi's right-hand man), where appeal to authority is often in effect to view everything they say as right, or inherent fear of displeasing your superiors (of which those can be about position abuse if they do that). Tasuke's the more significant Ushijima, and he's the only one to have a bit of backstory with his real family, who is said to be lost to Deadmans, so he's not someone who never felt having an actual family (like perhaps Hikaru), which I presumed before to be the cause of him refusing to understand the meddling of Igarashis, but he's someone who refuses to look at the past, only the future. While Hikaru standing up to Giffdemos is nice, now it's disappointing that Over Demons is now really an ordinary Rider, not showing special power that can stand up to Giffdemos for a bit or such.
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06-20-2022, 09:10 AM | #17 |
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So, again, I'm not totally sure where I'm going with this point, because I'm not sure where the show is going with any of this yet, but I've really enjoyed how Giff has been this sort of force of nature that everyone on every side uses like a prop when arguing for agendas that are way more personal than that. Giff exists, so we have to subjugate ourselves to him. Giff exists, so we have to fight against him. I don't feel like I "get' Revice quite enough to dig into this, but stuff like how Weekend often comes off just as weirdly culty at times as the Deadmans did, too, it all feels like it's playing into this larger idea.
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I feel Daiji's character arc makes a lot more sense once you look at it from his point of view. And he voices it perfectly against Ikki. How many people need to die in the fight against Giff?
Daiji makes it actively clear why he sides with Akaishi. He's making a purely mathematical decision. Siding with Giff means they don't have to lose any more lives to him. Quote:
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Akaishi won all the previous episodes grinning from ear to ear. By the way, about him...
He's much more impressive as a villain in this episode, but I have a feeling he's just a different character. Again, the writers should have paid more attention to his relationship with Daiji, otherwise he was somehow too sharply twisted.
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06-21-2022, 11:37 AM | #18 |
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NGL I Feel like when the writers of Revice actually know what they're doing/writing about it's good the problem is it felt like during the entirety of the 30ies they didn't
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06-21-2022, 12:10 PM | #19 |
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For some shows, 40+ episodes is too much. But I do not agree with this opinion. It seems to me that they raised a lot of topics, including new/rarely used in the franchise, but some of them were poorly implemented, and some of them are simply not needed specifically in this story. I foresee that in the future there will be seasons that implement these themes better.
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06-21-2022, 05:48 PM | #20 |
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I should love this episode! I should adore it! The concepts it plays with are absolutely up my alley and it has two scenes I should be gushing over!
Akaishi asking Weekend Dad if he loved Hikaru, only to realize he's already dead should be something that should leave me floored. It really feels like it says a lot about Akaishi as a person and the themes of the show... On paper. Ikki rebutting Daiji by rejecting both freedomless peace and peaceless freedom and vowing to protect people's smiles feels so quintessential Rider. Focusing on helping people and making it possible so they can live their best life! It's fantastic... On paper. And here is the crux of the issue, both scenes are empty and hollow. The show lacks the effort and groundwork to make them something more than good ideas. And that is Revice for me in a nutshell, hollow, lacking in the depth it requires for the story it wants to tell. Chocked full of great ideas but unable to properly capitalize on any of them, which is the most depressing part. I really want to like this show, but at every turn is a letdown. It's honestly depressing...
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