[Zolda]

I have several new hypotheses:
- Dente was likely working with another organization (which I label Organization #0) in the Granute world under some kind of joint technological development when he was developing the Hito Press process and other technologies involving the Gavv such as the agent creation system and the human disguise system, which means that the cooperation was known and approved by Bouche.
- Hierarchy-wise, Organization #0 might be equal to Stomach, slightly higher (where their financial/resource contribution to the development was higher than Stomach's), or much higher (where they acted as the main donor to Stomach, like Foundation X that acted as the main donor/financier to the Museum in KR W, the Kougami Foundation in KR OOO, and the OSTO in KR Fourze) like I hypothesized in the episode 6 thread here.
- Organization #0 later ended their cooperation with Stomach due to one or several unknown reasons, likely due to having a different vision for the usage of the Hito Press process and the other technologies.
- There's also another possibility that Organization #0 didn't end their cooperation with Stomach, but simply expand their operation by working with other organization(s) and or creating shell companies/organizations.
- Organization #0 then likely formed a cooperation with the Granute police department or law enforcement (which I label Organization #1), very likely without Bouche's knowledge/approval, under the guise of helping them crack down the Dark Snack distribution, while having an ulterior motive of pitting Stomach against the Granute police department for their own benefit.
- If Organization #0 is indeed higher in hierarchy than Stomach, then they definitely have the ability to control the flow of information, especially the data from Dente's experiment on Kid Shouma. Organization #0 only allowed certain basic information from that experiment to be accessed by Stomach, and there were/are crucial pieces of information from that experiment that were completely restricted from Stomach that even Bouche couldn't access. It's very likely that Organization #0 was also the one who ordered Dente to erase/manipulate Kid Shouma's memories.
- Stomach's limited access to information was likely hinted in episode 6 @ 12:17 when Nyelv said that according to Dente's documents, his modification on Kid Shouma's red Gavv was considered a failure. I have a hypothesis that it was not actually a failure, but was only reported by Dente (as ordered by Organization #0) as a failure. The very weird thing is, if Bouche was already informed that it was a failure, then why didn't he order Dente to just remove the Henshin Belt Gavv from Kid Shouma's body? What's the point of keeping a failed, non-functional medical device attached on your body, unless the plot needed it? Also, has Kid Shouma ever asked himself (and Bouche and Dente) why he got a hilariously gaudy, conspicuous-looking, failed, non-functional medical device (with a crank lever!) permanently implanted into his digestive system? Don't know!
- Dente's experiment, being under control of Organization #0, very likely also hid other pieces of crucial data from Bouche/Stomach, such as biological samples. The most crucial samples from that experiment were also likely hidden to further give the impression of a failed experiment.
- One of the most crucial biological samples (and other pieces of information) from that experiment likely ended in Kenzou's hands. The Granute organ that was transplanted by Kenzou into Hanto's body in episode 6 was supplied by Nyelv, but there's also a possibility that it was actually extracted from inside Shouma's body and supplied by Organization #0, like I hypothesized in the episode 10 thread here. On that fateful day, something happened (which could be accidental or non-accidental) during Dente's experiment on Kid Shouma 18 years ago that caused Kid Shouma to go berserk in his Wolf(?) Granute form which made him lose his sense of control (and very likely also sanity) and made him kidnap Hanto's mom. So, ironically, Hanto being transplanted with Kid Shouma/Wolf Granute's internal organ didn't only grant him the power of a Granute, but will also likely gradually mutate him into the Wolf Granute (or a different type of Granute), like I hypothesized in the episode 7 thread here. This was likely why Nyelv's scene in episode 6 @ 12:17 was played right before the scene where Kenzou transplanted the Granute's internal organ into Hanto's body.
- Kid Shouma getting his internal organ removed by Dente was likely what made him weak and unable to create agents. But this hypothesis makes no sense, because it was shown in episode 5 @ 08:12 that Bouche requested Dente to modify Shouma's red Gavv to strengthen it and to enable it to create agents. So, Shouma's red Gavv was already weak even before the experiment, and the failed experiment did nothing to fix the problem. There's a solution to this logical hole, though, by making the Granute internal organ an artificial one, not organic, and that artificial organ then transplanted into Kid Shouma's body and made him assume his Wolf Granute form and go berserk. The artificial organ could be the result of Dente's novel, experimental biological/genetic engineering on a normal Granute organ that would grant much greater power to any Granute (and, as proven by Hanto, even to a human), which explains why the Wolf Granute had an exposed mouth with beastly teeth compared to other normal Granutes (including the Bouche, Dente, and the other Stomach family members) who have closed mouth with no visible teeth. The Granute internal organ being an artificial one could also explain how it didn't seem to show any sign of cellular deterioration in 18 years.
- Another logical hole in this hypothesis is how the berserk Wolf Granute/Kid Shouma had an adult-sized body and was able to travel to the human world in the first place like I already mentioned in my first post in this thread. Sooo... Mmmmmaaaaayyyyybbbbbeeeee I'm 1000% wrong on this one, haha.
- Shouma would likely be forced by situation to eat a Dark Snack which would make him produce a Dark Gavv Gochizo or something in that vein. He'd be defeated in a fight against very strong opponent (Lango?) in the Granute world, and since there are no human foods there, he'll be forced to eat a Dark Snack to regain his power.
- The writers could make Sachika an important character by revealing her connection to Organization #0, or more likely, Organization #1. Her father could likely be a detective from Tokyo police department who has been working with undercover cops from Organization #1 (the Granute police department) who are also infiltrating Stomach.
- Sachika has been rumored to debut as the third Rider, but I still can't figure out how the plot would allow that, though I think she could likely transform into an extra Rider like KR Poppy later in episodes 25-30. The third Rider would debut after New Year in episodes 18-22 and is very likely from Stomach or Organization #1, where the big bad/Rider from Organization #0 would appear after episode 30 where he reveal himself as the mastermind of the whole conflict.
- Regardless of my new hypotheses above, there are also several unanswered questions, such as:
When did Dente go MIA? Was it right after he failed to fix Shouma's weak red Gavv 18 years ago?
Why did Stomach let Dente, the most brilliant scientist there, go MIA for almost 2 decades? Why did they seem to do nothing to prevent Dente from deserting his post? It makes no sense at all for a big corporation to just let their most most brilliant, important scientist go MIA and did nothing to prevent it nor respond to it.

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Originally Posted by Sunred

The headache does seem convincing of it likely being the case. At the same time, one speculation I have thought up for now is someone else was fitted with it, a test subject before Shouma, and the Gavv belt happens to retain the memories of that test subject.

You're right. That could be another possibility.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Well yeah, Valen only got dehenshined due to him heroically risking his body to prevent Early from escaping with Emi, so it seems respectful for Gavv to reciprocate at that point, as their circumstances could easily have been the other way around. Hanto earned the right to know.

But they still have common sense, logic, and normal, healthy reasoning ability, right? Right? At the very least, if he has common sense, Shouma shouldn't be surprised to see that it was Hanto behind KR Valen's mask. If Shouma has common sense, then KR Valen's detransformation scene should just be confirmation, not information. And vice verse, if Hanto has common sense, then KR Gavv's calling him by his human name should also just be confirmation, not information. This blatant, intentional idiocy (aka idiot plot) is one of the things that make this story sooo heavy-handed and sloppily written.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

When did Dente go MIA? Was it right after he failed to fix Shouma's weak red Gavv 18 years ago?
Why did Stomach let Dente, the most brilliant scientist there, go MIA for almost 2 decades? Why did they seem to do nothing to prevent Dente from deserting his post? It makes no sense at all for a big corporation to just let their most most brilliant, important scientist go MIA and did nothing to prevent it nor respond to it.

Considering how the Bush children treated Shouma and his mother, I assume that the head of the family was helped to die. It is quite possible that they wanted to do the same to Denta, but he managed to escape. Nylev seems like the type who thinks the surest way to surpass another scientist is to kill him.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Hanto/KR Valen doesn't like the fact that his real identity has been revealed in front of Shouma/KR Gavv. And Shouma/KR Gavv calls Hanto/KR Valen by his human name, so he gave away the clue that he's already known Hanto/KR Valen. So, Hanto/KR Valen simply asks Shouma/KR Gavv to reveal his identity in front of him because he thinks it's not fair that he was the only one whose identity is revealed. Yep, it's that simple. No need for probing. No need for questioning. No need for deduction. No need for reasoning.

Somewhere in Japan Toshiki Inoue is raging at this. "What are you doing!? It's only episode 12; you can easily milk this for another 30 episodes!"

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Somewhere in Japan Toshiki Inoue is raging at this. "What are you doing!? It's only episode 12; you can easily milk this for another 30 episodes!"

It's funny cause it's true.

[DH21965]

After freight training episodes 4-11, I realized I love this series storytelling thus far, but these suits are to me, just ATROCIOUS. I can’t stand these fugly silly suits, even though they fit the theme perfectly well.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by DH21965

After freight training episodes 4-11, I realized I love this series storytelling thus far, but these suits are to me, just ATROCIOUS. I can?t stand these fugly silly suits, even though they fit the theme perfectly well.

I?m pretty much in the same place. The story is great and the suits do a technically good job of executing some very bad concepts. It really feels like the second coming of Ex-Aid.

[Mesnick]

I actually wanted to wait until halfway through the show to talk about costumes, but now that we're on the subject. I don't find them visually outstanding. Gavv's shapes don't implement the ridiculous concept of cool like Gaim, and they're not as recognizable and unique as Ex-Aid. That is, you can easily draw a fan rider in the style of Ex-Aid and everyone will unmistakably understand that this is a rider from Ex-Aid. But with Gavv this is very problematic.
Its forms are united by a unique food theme rather than a style of execution. Even such a thing as a belt in the shape of a big red mouth in the show itself turns out to be extremely inconspicuous and is only noticed when attention is deliberately focused on it.
But even if the forms of Gavv do not please my eye, this drawback is completely outweighed by their technicality. Crushing armor, fragile swords, springy marshmallows and much, much more.The attention to detail and how they work is simply amazing. I think that instead of going by the principle: “How can we make the audience fall in love with a ridiculous concept?” The creators of this show took the path: “How can we extract maximum potential from a ridiculous concept?” And this is actually part of their already repeatedly mentioned respect and understanding of the essence of Kamen Rider. After all, it may not be obvious after 53 years, but a grasshopper-themed superhero is also quite ridiculous. But, despite this, it works great and has surpassed many, at first glance, much more promising ideas.

[saru0106]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

So let me get this straight. Stomach Inc sells Dark Treats, which are addictive. Then they forcibly recruit people who've grown dependant on Dark Treats and promises more if they do Stomach Inc's work.

Bruh, this is just a pyramid scheme. Slither io

Also, with all this talk of marriage and whatnot, along with a caste structure and visual aesthetic that looks like its been ripped out of an old Victorian-era novel, the Granute World is starting to remind me of those trashy fantasy romance manhwas I love to read.

The use of Dark Treats to manipulate and control people through dependence seems like a combination of psychological manipulation and labor exploitation.

[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Considering how the Bush children treated Shouma and his mother, I assume that the head of the family was helped to die. It is quite possible that they wanted to do the same to Denta, but he managed to escape. Nylev seems like the type who thinks the surest way to surpass another scientist is to kill him.

Bouche was helped to die? Did you mean that Bouche was made to die unnaturally by the Stomach siblings? That could be the case, but it should've been shown or should be shown in future episodes. Bouche was a stupid and abusive father, so it makes sense if the Stomach siblings decided to even the odds and eliminate him earlier.

It's possible that Bouche was made to die unnaturally by the Stomach siblings, but what's the reason for them wanting Dente to die? Did Dente have problems with the Stomach siblings? After all, he was (and probably is) Stomach's best scientist. Why would they attempt to kill Dente? Dente being MIA for 2 decades to live as a dysfunctional, poor addict in the human world without being searched by Stomach corporation, Bouche and or the Stomach siblings is one of the gazillion of logical anomalies in this story.

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Somewhere in Japan Toshiki Inoue is raging at this. "What are you doing!? It's only episode 12; you can easily milk this for another 30 episodes!"

Don't worry. There's still Hanto's subplot about finding out about Shouma's true identity as a human-Granute hybrid, which is already overdue.