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10-30-2022, 07:35 AM | #21 |
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Oh I am well aware after hearing from friends spoiler free. I've just finished episode 2 as well and fucking hell am I glad I'm aware enough of Japanese politics to get what's going on here. I remember that for Amazonz, one of the people behind the show said their intention was to give the 'toothless' Kamen Rider series back it's edge but this does that and more so far
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10-30-2022, 08:24 AM | #22 |
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I actually think the ending is hopeful.
Also, an ending that nails the quintessence essence of Rider. No matter what, whenever evil rises, those who stand up to it will rise as well and oppose them. That's what the ending is trying to convey, while the world may not have magically changed and fixed itself, and there is still evil to inherit older evils, the fact that people will fight endlessly to oppose them hasn't changed either. In this instance, Aoi carries on the torch of resistance and handing it off to the next generation. |
10-30-2022, 10:38 AM | #23 |
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I’ll have to rewatch this again for a real opinion. My tired brain didn’t process everything I saw last night. Didn’t like the ending. Black… has plot issues to address. Back to sleep you people rock
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10-30-2022, 11:06 AM | #24 |
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I took it more allegorical. That Aoi is doing what Kotaro did for her, handing over the ability to fight when necessary to the next generation. And, given how young Aoi is, they can't properly show that without using literal children, or the generational message gets kinda lost. It's not perfect, but I feel it works well.
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10-30-2022, 11:21 AM | #25 |
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I took it more allegorical. That Aoi is doing what Kotaro did for her, handing over the ability to fight when necessary to the next generation. And, given how young Aoi is, they can't properly show that without using literal children, or the generational message gets kinda lost. It's not perfect, but I feel it works well.
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10-30-2022, 03:28 PM | #26 |
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I took it more allegorical. That Aoi is doing what Kotaro did for her, handing over the ability to fight when necessary to the next generation. And, given how young Aoi is, they can't properly show that without using literal children, or the generational message gets kinda lost. It's not perfect, but I feel it works well.
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10-30-2022, 03:43 PM | #27 |
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If they're seeking out and intentionally using children, that makes it worse. Kids shouldn't be used as radical terrorists or soldiers from the get go, it makes you no different than the bad guys. The only reason shows like Gundam gets a pass is because they don't have a choice and have to use teenagers, as they're low on manpower and the only one that can pilot a Gundam effectively is a kid, but it was never treated as a good thing.
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10-30-2022, 04:56 PM | #28 |
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Yeah, I can see why this can be a dealbreaker for some. It certainly left me a bit unsure myself while watching it, but the show had garnered more than enough goodwill from me to just see it as what it was clearly meant to be, an allegory. So, I just allowed myself to pick the charitable interpretation here, and with that, it works great.
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10-30-2022, 05:05 PM | #29 |
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Yeah, I can see why this can be a dealbreaker for some. It certainly left me a bit unsure myself while watching it, but the show had garnered more than enough goodwill from me to just see it as what it was clearly meant to be, an allegory. So, I just allowed myself to pick the charitable interpretation here, and with that, it works great.
I think that if the show's ending is so divisive and even interpretive, it's definitely an achievement for its creators and a milestone for the entire franchise. |
10-30-2022, 06:45 PM | #30 |
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Even ignoring the moral implications of the ending, I find this version of Minami Kotaro quite unpleasant. He's unmotivated, lacks any personality or drive, and doesn't feel like a hero or even a human being. He's flat as a board and about as charismatic as one. He just goes through the motions, feeling like he's completely without agency. The fact that they played the original theme over him feels almost like a parody given the lyrics and tone. The original Kotaro's optimism and hot-blooded personality were infectious. He treated every situation with the gravity it had, and was incensed by injustice and cruelty. He'd be the perfect personality type for this story, not the bland husk that we got. Again, this doesn't feel like it has anything to do with Black specifically. Kamen Rider Black was a hero of justice, Black Sun is just a prop. Quote:
If they're seeking out and intentionally using children, that makes it worse. Kids shouldn't be used as radical terrorists or soldiers from the get go, it makes you no different than the bad guys. The only reason shows like Gundam gets a pass is because they don't have a choice and have to use teenagers, as they're low on manpower and the only one that can pilot a Gundam effectively is a kid, but it was never treated as a good thing.
One thing in particular that bothered me was the idea that Kotaro taught Aoi how to fight. This is repeated both literally and figuratively, as though he somehow imparted the will and drive to stand up and take action. He didn't do anything of the sort, and I can't imagine he'd be happy knowing she went on to create a terrorist cell comprised of young children. I was half expecting that scene to end with the whole building exploding because a preteen improperly wired a fuse. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 10-30-2022 at 06:50 PM.. |
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