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08-04-2022, 03:28 PM | #661 |
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See, the reason I was fine with the way the fight played out, and this is because me and my friend were talking about the various systems in Zero-One the other day.
While others like Thouser, Zero-One, Horobi, etc are excel at fighting solo, I feel like that can't be said the same for the Shotriser Riders. Like, I'm not trying to diss Fuwa because that dude has some real good fights and is a real powerhouse, likewise with Yua, I enjoy the way she fights as Valkyrie. But there's just this little magical spark whenever the two fight together. My absolute favorite fight in Reiwa First Gen was Vulcan and Valkyrie fighting Another Zero-One. The two working together and combo'ing off of each other. And I feel like the fight in 33 is on par with that. Just the way Fuwa tags in by leaping and rolling over Yua's back as she stumbles in order to keep the attention on him for a bit as she recovers. The way they just compliment each other in their movements and how they're able to easily overwhelm Thouser. It's also why I feel like the Shotriser's are only a duo team, Vulcan and Valkyrie just really compliment each other well. And I feel like the fight wasn't just Yua breaking free of ZAIA but also Yua reestablishing her partnership with Fuwa. Oh and I forgot to mention but I absolutely adored the part at sundown where Yua just clocks Gai in the face, felt deserved especially coming from her. It was so special they made it into a special Ganbarizing finisher animation for Valkyrie! |
08-04-2022, 05:37 PM | #662 |
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One of the things I have mentioned in here, way back toward the start, is how Fuwa and Yua were both built from the ground up specifically to contrast each other. And "contrast" is always the key word with these two. Their Rider designs, their personalities, so on and so forth. Again, I said a lot of this already. The contrast also extends to their character arcs, which is maybe critical to understanding why Yua is written the way she is. Put simply, Fuwa and Yua have completely opposite trajectories for their development. Fuwa is a man imprisoned by his past, who learns to look forward; Yua is a woman trying to create a better future with technology, only to become trapped by every decision she's ever made. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Fighting Jackal Raider and Rampage Vulcan debut in the same two-parter, or that Fuwa's main opponent in that fight is the Jackal Raider. At the same time Fuwa ascends to the highest point he's ever reached, Yua sinks to the lowest depths she ever will. For over half the show, Fuwa has been learning and growing, arguably changing more dynamically than anyone else in the series, and he's rewarded for that effort by becoming the kind of hero he never could've been at first. In that same span of time, however, Yua has done nothing but stagnate. She's arguably changed and developed less than anyone else in the series, and she's punished for that inability to progress by being reduced to a mere monster of the week for the Kamen Riders to take down. The way Fuwa and Yua's development bounces off each other was a huge part of what made episode 29 so great, and it very directly feeds into what makes episode 33 so great too. It's really the climax for both of their arcs at once? (Which is kinda perfect for two characters made to be a duo!) Because 29, it wasn't actually the final word on either of them. Fuwa gave a dramatic speech, but it was a speech all about how he'll eventually have a motivation outside of righteous vengeance, and Yua hit rock bottom, but it's like, how content can she really be staying there? They both find their answers here, and the episode does a great job emphasizing how each of them is lifting the other up. Yua finally realizing she doesn't have to chain herself to ZAIA has a ton to do with Fuwa, and the dream Fuwa discovered is one he explicitly credits Yua for giving him the chance to fulfill. (This is some of my favorite suit acting from Asai ever, by the way. Love how Vulcan's hand is visibly trembling as he's pointing his gun, really selling how intense the emotions Fuwa is going through are. He's trying to look brave, but letting go is probably the hardest thing he's ever done.) I think Fuwa's memories turning out to be fabricated is a somewhat controversial twist, but honestly, I think it was 1000% the right call to emphasize the growth he's had. The Fuwa from the start of the series could've never handled being told everything that kept him going was a lie, but for the Fuwa in episode 33, it's a chance to cement once and for all that his past isn't what drives him anymore. And of course, while all that's going on, you have Yua, racked with guilt after realizing just how much she's been complicit in, only for that to ultimately become the push she needs to finally decide a course of action for herself, standing up to a person who has done nothing but try to suppress her free will all this time. Yua's whole way of thinking has a ton to do with the idea that everything should serve its proper purpose, but it's only here that she figures out you're allowed to find a different purpose when the one you're currently serving isn't serving anyone else back. ...But you know, now that I think about it, I guess I'm just kind of scratching the surface here myself. No wonder Die decided to just focus on one thing! I only tried one more than that, and it was still too much! So yeah, there are plenty of things I'd still like to touch on about this episode itself, and these characters in general, and, and well, the show in general, even, but for now, I guess this is the gist of it. Vulcan and Valkyrie are both really great! Great enough to get me to actually say something substantial in here for the first time in a while, even, which is crazy, because this is far from the only episode in this stretch of Zero-One I'm particularly fond of.
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08-04-2022, 05:54 PM | #663 |
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Can't really say anything that everyone else hasn't. Thought it was great, and am very glad it was one of the episodes that was able to be made before the pandemic hit.
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08-04-2022, 08:27 PM | #664 |
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When Fuwa got his big moment of resolution of taking control of his life against Thouser, he did it solo. When Aruto got his big moment of resolution of fighting back against Thouser after his new company's registered, he does it solo. When Yaiba gets her big moment of resolution of something something dreams I barely remember... it's a double-team fight. She does get the big finishing hit on Thouser and everything of course but it sticks out a lot to me that she's specifically the only one that doesn't get a solo fight. Gotta sell some new toy on shelves I guess
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Much like Yua can always depend on Fuwa's support, I know that I can always depend on this thread to cover anything I leave on the table. Really just wanted to focus on Yua's arc that time, but I knew some brain genius would pop up in the thread to talk about a different aspect of the show that spoke to them. Thank you for using a thing I created to be a hero!
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08-04-2022, 08:32 PM | #665 |
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...just like it'd be a crime for me to forget about the Zero-One anime shorts I've definitely, 1000% been covering in DreamSword's Toku Anime thread! My schedule's been nuts (and getting nuttier all the time), but when DreamSword suggested I send him write-ups of Zero-One's anime episodes to post under his account -- thus saving me the editing and posting work -- I couldn't say no. Please head over to his thread to discuss the episodes I've absolutely watched and written about! Thanks!
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08-04-2022, 09:28 PM | #666 |
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I really liked the fight choreography here, I loved Gai just showing up behind a bench, umbrella in hand before throwing it away to transform. It was very welcoming to see the Valkyrie suit once again and have Yua get a punch in from Gai.
However, sorry to be coming in here to be such a downer, but this episode brought down Fuwa for me from a 9/10 to a 7/10. And a later movie bringing it down to a 6. I still really like him, but I was just not a fan of how he was handled. I think Gai revealing to him his memories are fake really broke a huge deal about Fuwa's character. See, his rough childhood encounter with the humagears was sketch, yes. There were no casualties in Daybreak save for the one person who blew the place up. (Slight tangent here on Daybreak, I see people saying Gai has a lot of blood on his hands, but I would like to say he actually doesn't because it was already stated that there were no casualties during Daybreak save for the one guy who signaled the evacuation and blew up the place, so at best Gai really only has one person. This is not me defending Gai, yet. Just like to let ppl kno) But coming back to Fuwa, he had a rough encounter with humagears which caused a deep-seated hatred towards them that was only remedied once his life was saved by one, ending his prejudice towards them and believing in Aruto. I personally think making it so the memories were fake just ruins the journey Fuwa went through. How do I say this, his prejudice towards the Humagears were fake, coded, a lie. It makes it seem like the steps he took to remove this hatred were not genuine and also removes all accountability on his part to take the steps and dump it all on Gai. It's also... kind of pointless for Gai to tell him that, only serving to add into the pile of "Gai's misdeeds of no reason" One thing this also feeds into is the way Humagears are portrayed in this show. It being fake memories planted by a shady businessman furthers the notion that Humagears did nothing wrong and any concerns or legitimate fears about AI are non-existent. I don't want to be too philosophical, but I will say that I will be. Edit: Sorry again for being a downer. Especially with how rare I come on here to say anything. But I'd like to preface that I do have good things to say for Fuwa later in the show, specifically one concerning a new toy and also for two specific episodes for my five-horned golden boy. Last edited by TheRaizin; 08-04-2022 at 09:45 PM.. |
08-04-2022, 09:47 PM | #667 |
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How do I say this, his prejudice towards the Humagears were fake, coded, a lie. It makes it seem like the steps he took to remove this hatred were not genuine and also removes all accountability on his part to take the steps and dump it all on Gai. It's also... kind of pointless for Gai to tell him that, only serving to add into the pile of "Gai's misdeeds of no reason"
That said, I think the counterpoint is that things like Intolerance and Bigotry are always something that comes from outside of us. It's the way your parents raised you, or the community you lived in, or your friends, or etc. Babies aren't born bigots, you know? ZAIA didn't make Fuwa hate Humagears, they just gave him a formative trauma and figured he'd turn into a Humagear-hating lunatic. If that dude had gotten therapy instead of becoming a Kamen Rider, he might've had a better outcome.
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08-04-2022, 09:51 PM | #668 |
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I think the show as a whole handles it well, but it's definitely something I can see hurting the character for you. Definitely feels weaker
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08-04-2022, 09:54 PM | #669 |
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That said, I think the counterpoint is that things like Intolerance and Bigotry are always something that comes from outside of us. It's the way your parents raised you, or the community you lived in, or your friends, or etc. Babies aren't born bigots, you know? ZAIA didn't make Fuwa hate Humagears, they just gave him a formative trauma and figured he'd turn into a Humagear-hating lunatic. If that dude had gotten therapy instead of becoming a Kamen Rider, he might've had a better outcome. |
08-04-2022, 09:57 PM | #670 |
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But ZAIA did brainwash him into being prejudiced in order to fuel his hostility. But besides that, outside forces or not, the actions one takes with those feelings are still their own. Shoving it to Gai I feel robs Fuwa of any personal responsibility. The rewatching of Fuwa's journey up to this point also becomes tainted for me because it only rings to me that all of the actions he is taking up till this point was only because Gai made him do it.
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