[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by GrandComplete

I don't find the scene near the end where Reika & Ryoga are shopping as anything of sorts like romance or marriage.

Rather I see the scene as Reika finally getting indulge & get something normal for once outside of her duties as a swordswomen. And getting to share it with her brother who argubably is even more sheltered than she is.

And that's a fair interpretation! I think it skews too far into showing them as still unhealthily involved in each other's happiness, but now in a less childlike way to give it nonromantic cover. We all process art differently!

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Originally Posted by Kurona

I mostly found this one a bit pointless and also passing an extremely low bar. Like, wow, accepting your one female rider can make her own choices and be her own person? That?s crazy! Kinda? feels like that?s the very least that should have been in the show, and now you?ve done it it just feels really redundant.

It's not a great look, no. I think the show did well with other female characters -- well, Mei -- but Reika was one that needed some work a lot sooner than this. I'm generally okay with it because this movie (and parts of the show) demonstrate that Ryoga's as messed up as his sister, and neither of them are able to act independently. But it's still not a great look.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Also Amanojaku. At two points that year, I?d coincidentally used it as the basis for a monster in two different fics (though both of them are different from each other, and hew more closer to the mythical version, which has the power to bring out people?s darker impulses)

Neat! Glad that this special ended up helping out the fan-fic writers of the world.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Of course, it's very tempting that Rui appears out of nowhere, coming from an important Sword Logos family that somehow missed all the events of the main show. I think if he even flashed or mentioned earlier, it would have worked much better for the lore of the series. For example, one could make him the blacksmith of the South Base or the unfortunate Espada mentioned earlier. This would give more weight to the character and explain his desire for the sword.

Maybe he's got one unaccounted for copy of the Siren Winder Ride Book and used it to insert himself into the Sword of Logos?

No, it's just a post-show thing where a character or organization just shows up out of nowhere, and there's no time in the movie/special to try and weave them in more delicately. Famous clan! Everyone else in it is dead! Let's go!

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

I'm mostly just happy Angela Mei got to meet her daughter('s voice actor) again.

It was a very cute scene!

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

It also has a nice moral about marriage, how it's a truly wonderful thing that can make a lot of people happy, but how it's also unwise to rush in to it or to do it for anyone else's sake. Reika wanted to marry Rui for Ryouga's sake, but then they talked and she wanted to marry Rui for herself. Too bad Rui turned out to be evil, but it wasn't a total loss, as that experience made the Shindais' bond stronger while hopefully making Reika less of an abusive sadist. I want to give her a chance.

Ryoga's views on marriage were very fun to explore. He's a real By The Book (sorry) guy, where a result is assured as long as you follow instructions, and anything else will just work itself out somehow. People get married and are happy, so marriage must make people happy, so Reika should get married to be happy. The idea that Marriage and Happiness are a correlation and not a causation is not something he was aware of, and it rocks him to his core. Hilarious! Funny dude!

[Kamen Rider Die]

THREAD WRAP-UP



And that about does it for “Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Saber (and writes fan-fiction)”!

Huge thanks, as always, to everyone who dropped by the thread to share their thoughts, opinions, and feelings about Kamen Rider Saber. You are the best part of watching these shows, and never more so than when a show takes as long for me to get into as this one did. It’s a tricky show, and not one that was as easily enjoyed as others. The show comes at typical plots by weird angles, which is not necessarily to the plots’ credit. But the cast is fantastic, and the unique wavelength the show operates on is eventually discernible and navigable, so the overall takeaway is delight.

In that vein, I hope people enjoyed this thread. The fan-fiction component was a lot of work, but I liked playing around with it for a few months, and hopefully they were at least a little entertaining as a diversion. The show write-ups… I’m sorry, I guess? Never really felt like I said anything of value or insight, and frequently felt like I was just getting in the way. They were all honest attempts to share a view of this show, but I basically felt like you’d all be better off if I just posted a screencap and let you handle the discussion from there. Better luck on Revice, I suppose!

Which is coming up pretty soon! Gonna take a couple weeks off for work stuff and to catch up on Geats, then right back at it with “Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Revice” on (probably) April 13th. I’d really like to finish off Revice by the end of June, or close to it, so the break between threads is going to be a lot shorter this time.

This thread isn’t going anywhere, though, so feel free to continue to share any thoughts you’ve got on this show. I’ll probably be a little scarce, but this was always as much your thread as mine, and I’m excited to see how you add to its story. This may be my last post in the thread, but only you can decide how it ends.

Thanks again for being a part of this experience! See you in April for Revice!

[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER SABER: TRIO OF DEEP SIN

It’s the nature of memory as a past tense. It’s something that happened, but is now over; a feeling tied to a moment that can’t be touched. It’s weightless but ever-present. We say “haunted by memory” because memories are like ghosts: the aftermath of decisions and actions, loves and their lacking. We go through life accumulating memories, and eventually, the weight of them becomes another obstacle to overcome, a foe to be bested. What happened to the people we were, and the people we knew? What would we have done differently? What do we regret? What do we miss?

For the movie itself, it also touched upon the disadvantages of a world where superheroes exist, specifically the collateral damage in their battles, which can end up causing some casualties they won't intend. Though Shinjiro claims the swordsmen ends up sacrificing few to save many, actually cases like Espada's battle is not the case. Because there's a difference of a mere tragedy that befalls unfortunate victims, or when they actually make a conscious effort to destroy those unlucky few themselves for the greater good. Seems that many of the well-intentioned villainy in the series is done by targeting specifically the swordsman itself to disable their powers or impact, like by Kento as Calibur and Shinjiro here. I guess either should have the consequences being touched upon on how the swordsmen are required to fight against threats, not to prevent damage but to minimize it from spreading further, and that disabling them would make Megid run amok freely. I'm not into Rintaro reconciling with his apparent father after just clashing swords though, which is the opposite of something like Zi-O's Quiz two-parter.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

Your early 30s is when you inevitably feel it. Your life has started, hopefully. Education and apprenticeship is over, and you’re free to make your own choices. The tight-knit friendships of your youth are exposed as proximity, and steadily peeled away through inattention or circumstance. Best friends become friends become acquaintances become social media reminders of birthdays. It’s no one’s fault. Everyone’s stories are separating, and becoming more complex; the cast of characters getting their own spin-offs, and new supporting casts to go along with them. You get focused on your goals and accompanying milestones: romance, children, career, etc. The parts of your life that were occupied by one group get occupied by another, and the earlier memories start to change shape. What was an in-joke now becomes a solitary secret; a code no one you know now can interpret.

Guess for this part, it's shown by how some of the SoL has parted away like Ogami becoming a teacher, following his predecessor Toshikazu Kamikawa's (in Saber Manga: Buster) footsteps, who was a teacher in Ogami's high school. And the parting seems to be done in the movie itself by... the swordsmen except the Three Musketeers (the main three Riders) only featured as cameos? For this V-Cinema though, the focus is all on those leading Riders, instead of the main Riders being out of focus or even not appearing. About age though, there's also negative impact on them physically, for Mei at least who can't show off her legs anymore, and also struggles climbing stairs (despite the actress still being the same). This'd kill off any hope for those who'd want Mei to henshin.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

There’s a sorrow to that, the growing up of it all. Time slips away; eight years pass in the blink of an eye. You turn around, and you realize that the people you once talked to every day are the people you haven’t heard from in years. The happier times come up as a marker of distance, of disconnection. Depression kicks in at weird times. There’s a place you want to go, but it’s unreachable. There’s a feeling you remember like yesterday, but so long ago it’s like a story someone told you. It’s hard to have perspective. The memories… it’s all bittersweet. It’s all what isn’t, and the way it’ll never be again. The absence becomes all you can see.

Though actually it can feel as if it's just me or something who isn't really sociable, when time slips without connecting to those people who talked every day, seeing how those people still connects to another old friend of them, regularly hang out to go to places, with me being left out, of which if can feel as if it's own fault if it's not everyone who got separated but exclusively you.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

The time you don’t have with someone doesn’t change the time you did have with them. The loss is only a reminder of what you had, and the value of it. A memory is proof of a thing, not the lack of it. To lash out at the world for what you can only hold in memory is to miss the joy that the memory can bring you. The friendships that change and fade are still friendships you had, friends you made. Resenting the present for not being the past is just a way of denying yourself a future.

Guess there's a practice of this in the movie, which is done by Touma when he discovers that his childhood friend Mamiya is the one who staged his demise all over these 8 years, of which he denies Mamiya's words of the friendship being fabricated because Touma feels the friendship is something real even if it's actually two-faced. Likely similar stuff is also Kento's relationship with Yuina (a.k.a returning Wakana), where Kento feels genuine bond between him and her despite, Yuina also being a backstabber to get revenge on Kento's collateral damage (with it likely being mutual on Yuina's part too). Dunno about putting this into practice, personally, as this can feel like vindicating their actions, but perhaps this is done because the victim-target still feels positively impacted by the backstabber when they helped them in something, even if it was a ruse, with the backstabber feeling comfort in their target's kindness towards them.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

It’s not always easy to see those memories as a source of strength. It’s easier, perhaps, to see them as a source of pain, or of sadness. But the hard work of being an adult means finding a way to push forward from a growing lifetime of memories, and find strength in both the good and the bad. Our memories are a story we tell ourselves, and we get to decide how that story makes us feel, and the part it plays in the people we are today.

This story though, ends with the resenting the present for not being the past being validated as Mamiya ends up remembering that he's a future Riku, thus Touma was the said killed father he experienced, and thus he'd only end up committing suicide and/or killing his own father again. Then, this story has a power to change the present to see how it fits by Mamiya convincing Riku to not touch Kyomu, which'd means all the tragedy is undone, making everyone end up happier, other than Mei's physical problems as she ages. Also symbolized by the movie's changed title Trio of Deep Sin to Quartet of Deep Love.