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09-06-2020, 02:38 PM | #931 |
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My subs said "Cerberus". Sorry!
Nope, it's Elevennouji. Quote:
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And let's talk about how Kenzaki (and Tachibana) responds to this situation, he wants to stop the threat, and did so, but as an ideal hero, he won't give any more retribution to those that are powerless for now, he thought about sparing Tennoji, because he's powerless human now, and is seemingly harmless.
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09-06-2020, 11:52 PM | #932 |
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It starts off a little bit more contemplative than I’d’ve thought. Even though Scissors Undead betrayed them at the end of last episode, briefly hospitalizing Mutsuki, there isn’t a ton of urgency to the plot in the first half of the episode. Scissors Undead is out there, somewhere, but nobody knows where. It’s unclear what his next move is going to be, or when he’s going to make it. (He’s a monster from eternity who’s close to winning Battle Fight through largely avoiding it. I assume he’s pretty patient!) It’s like, I guess we can all take a break?
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What follows is a bunch of peaceful, relaxing scenes that completely stressed me out. Everything that’s happening feels like The Last Time We’ll See. The last time we’ll see Hajime and Amane together. The last time we’ll see Mutsuki and Nozomi together. The last time we’ll see Kotaro and Hirose clean the living room I guess? (I mean, all of Team Blade was sleeping in that living room last episode, so it probably needed a thorough cleaning. Like, have you seen how Tachibana lives? And eats?) It’s all very charming, and I love that the show made some space for little conversations, small character beats before the Sturm und Drang of the finale, but man oh man was it making me anxious.
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Skipping ahead, Garren’s fight against Scissors Undead is an all-time great. There’s smart strategy, letting his opponent get in close so Garren can shoot through his shield. There’s the rarely-deployed shattered helmet, to let you know just how much punishment Garren is soaking up to win this fight. And there’s the fact that Garren’s doing all this to protect the creature that could end the world. To protect Hajime, someone he’s wanted to kill multiple times. Some he tried to kill right before this fight.
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It’s the Hajime/Tachibana scene in this episode that… best scene in the whole series so far? Maybe. It got to me. It’s Tachibana being Pure Tachibana, going against his friends because He Knows Best, willing to do the Smart Thing when they’re all too naive to get the stakes. So he takes out the injured Mutsuki (in one move!) in order to save the world, and it’s actually a pretty good plan that he came up with! It’s arguably the best plan anyone’s ever had on this show! For anything! Tachibana’s going to use Mutsuki’s Remote card to free the Human Undead. Then he’ll seal the Joker, seal the Scissors Undead, and the Human Undead will win Battle Fight. Humanity is saved. After knocking out Mutsuki, and with Hajime severely injured, it’s an easy plan to enact.
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Oof... fair enough. Pin this first regarding the true original name.
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09-07-2020, 12:18 AM | #933 |
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Tachibana getting to know what's behind the Undead battle royale, sealing stone being the artifact that cleans up Undead after defeat, and probably not fully from the cast in Kotaro's house (narrated by Human Undead), the stakes of the battle royale is huge, the winner being able to literally change the world.
It's so sparsely used. I wonder if Tachibana feels guilty about using it, normally? He got that card from Hajime. I wonder if him using Jack Form now is, like, him accepting Hajime's help for the first time. Food for thought! Quote:
I don't think it's a better plan than Mutsuki's before (eh, what about my explanation to it being too empathetic to you?). Unsealing Shima is more simple, and nothing would be lost. But unsealing Human Undead will practically cease Hajime's existence, which is a loss, especally that takes a toll to Kenzaki. By that you can still seal Kanai, and let Joker be, and the consequences of Joker winning the fight won't occur.
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Hmm, this scene shows that, no matter how awful or terrible someone is, there would be someone who cares about them, even if only 1. This goes for both Hajime and Amane. Probably this is why ideal heroes take the no kill approach like Kenzaki (and most of the lead Riders, y'know) before, like to... Tennoji, what they want is to stop/neutralize the threat, but doesn't necessarily mean killing. Even if that person deserves killing, what'd happen to those that stick to them? That he's the first to be so adamant of sticking up to Hajime, trying to redeem him and resist Joker's influence, something that even Kotaro (except at the first), a part of family doesn't get it.
Also, man, Amane isn't that bad! She has a whole bunch of people in the cast that care about her! She's just a little bit of a brat!
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09-07-2020, 02:49 AM | #934 |
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One more thing (unless I get bored) I'm genuinely surprised we didn't get into a debate about whether the secondary rider is Garren or Chalice. Tbf TOEI confirmed it's Garren but I and many others thought for the longest time it was Chalice(TBF the first half probably intended it to be Garren but the guy who wrote the second half wanted to put more emphasis on Hajime) Hibiki does NOT have this debate and makes it clear who it's secondary rider is supposed to be, in fact really other than maybe Ex-Aid I can't really think of any other Rider series that has multiple riders where it's not clear who the secondary rider is and even then Hirro's plot gets more emphasis than Taiga's does as does how different Hirro and Emu are
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09-07-2020, 05:27 AM | #935 |
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The secondary rider is Leangle because he’s the Q2 belt
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09-07-2020, 07:01 AM | #936 |
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If people restart the "debate" I'm going to buy a Garren Rouzer and shoot myself with it.
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09-07-2020, 09:49 AM | #937 |
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I really wonder if this show would've been viable with the exact same cast and setup, but just shifting the focus more fully to Hajime. Would it've just felt too much like Faiz?
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09-07-2020, 10:16 AM | #938 |
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I think it’s very funny that Blade is the only season that has any real debate over who the secondary rider is because it just continues the streak of Tachibana being the most pathetic man on the planet. Dude can’t even get people to trust that he’s the secondary hero!
Jokes aside, “Chalice is the secondary” is very much “Tajador is the final form”. In a pure literal sense of marketing and Toei’s definitions and a bunch of other media mentions and cameos, yes, obviously Garren and Putotyra wear these roles. But spiritually, emotionally; in terms of what strikes a chord with people especially in the context of the final episode, what it means to the characters, and how we think of these terms beyond just the hard boxes we place things in? Tajador is Eiji’s greatest power of his own that represents everything good about him and the relationships he’s forged over the course of the series, and Hajime is the second main protagonist of Blade whom the story is about.
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09-07-2020, 10:28 AM | #939 |
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Jokes aside, “Chalice is the secondary” is very much “Tajador is the final form”. In a pure literal sense of marketing and Toei’s definitions and a bunch of other media mentions and cameos, yes, obviously Garren and Putotyra wear these roles. But spiritually, emotionally; in terms of what strikes a chord with people especially in the context of the final episode, what it means to the characters, and how we think of these terms beyond just the hard boxes we place things in? Tajador is Eiji’s greatest power of his own that represents everything good about him and the relationships he’s forged over the course of the series, and Hajime is the second main protagonist of Blade whom the story is about.
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09-07-2020, 10:58 AM | #940 |
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I think I'll always have a tough time slotting Chalice in as the secondary Rider, because I don't think his story is subservient to Kenzaki's in any way. If anything, his arc is the dominant one for the show! I view Chalice as existing outside the Blade/Garren/Leangle structure (which has an indisputable hierarchy), and more of a parallel Primary. That's maybe splitting hairs, though!
Anyhow, the blasted hard term of 'secondary rider' didn't even exist until a certain someone named Kamen Rider Diend came along and then made everyone retroactively put so much more stock into it. It gets even worse and stupider when each person doesn't even realise that they define secondary completely different from each other (whether it's second most important character, secondary to the 'main' story, or literally second to show appear), somehow not realising that's not consistent even in Toei's own 'official' designations. |
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