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10-25-2021, 07:20 PM | #631 |
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I would've probably figured it out from the file names, but I'm glad to hear they're both entertaining and integral!
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10-25-2021, 07:32 PM | #632 |
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Actually, the eyes aren't the only difference with Violent Emotion. The gem on the head is also purple instead of yellow! Violent Emotion is my favorite Decade form for how crazy OP it is. If you count it as a variation of the base form, then you could probably say that Decade is the strongest Rider in base form, since he has access to all the Riders' powers and weapons, including non-Primary Riders, without the need to Kamen Ride. He's even the final boss of Battride War while being possessed by Callas!
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When is Decade ever a standalone though? This is a special event for Double, getting to team-up with a Rider from another show, but for Decade, this is just business as usual. The W half of the Movie War is real good as well, focusing on Begins Night where Shoutarou and Phillip had their destined meeting, the reason why Phillip is scared of using Fang Memory and the lore of Shoutarou's mentor Soukichi. The teamup itself has the awesome triple Rider kick between Decade, Double CycloneCyclone and Double JokerJoker, with the Final Form Ride being business as usual for them as well since they're always splitting in half for finishers like Joker Extreme and Joker Strange.
W is 6/19 in my Heisei Rider Ranking. Decade is 9/19 and would be higher if the ending had better execution. While I might rate W higher than Decade (depending, I might wait until I've seen more Rider shows first), I definitely agree Decade's endings could have been better, but overall, Decade was still an enjoyable show, not sure if that's just nostalgia or something, but I definitely see that. Anyway, Zi-O's .5s Episodes are the closest things to Net Movies I've seen (I'll get around to the Decade ones or any others from shows I've completed). And good thing we're preparing Die for Zi-O's "scheduling" since unlike Decade, it's going to be a full season, and not as consistent as the former all things considered. |
10-25-2021, 09:21 PM | #633 |
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The .5 episodes are a weird mix of in-universe background and production context. I think they're where I first really wrapped my head around how the early tribute episodes' gimmick worked and it explained some of the guest casting decisions.
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10-26-2021, 08:51 AM | #634 |
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While I might rate W higher than Decade (depending, I might wait until I've seen more Rider shows first), I definitely agree Decade's endings could have been better, but overall, Decade was still an enjoyable show, not sure if that's just nostalgia or something, but I definitely see that.
Decade was an enjoyable show for sure and even though I agree with pretty much everybody about how lame the ending was, I can't help but appreciate the journey. Maybe that nostalgia bias is also affecting my judgement, but it's hard for me to hold it against Decade the same way I would hold it against Hibiki or EX-Aid for similar problems. There's something about Decade, in how open-ended it is, that keeps the journey moving and fresh.
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10-26-2021, 05:36 PM | #635 |
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I think the only thing this list is missing is "Kamen Rider Blade: The Joker's Path" which takes place before episode 29 of Zi-O. Although it is a Drama CD, so I dunno if Die would be down for it.
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10-26-2021, 06:52 PM | #636 |
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PLEASE Watch Shinkenger and Kamen Rider Black.
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10-26-2021, 07:49 PM | #637 |
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Sorry if I was unclear, 6/19 means my sixth favorite out of 19 Heisei Rider shows that I've watched. So I also prefer W to Decade.
Decade was an enjoyable show for sure and even though I agree with pretty much everybody about how lame the ending was, I can't help but appreciate the journey. Maybe that nostalgia bias is also affecting my judgement, but it's hard for me to hold it against Decade the same way I would hold it against Hibiki or EX-Aid for similar problems. There's something about Decade, in how open-ended it is, that keeps the journey moving and fresh. Only saw the two episodes of Hibiki, courtesy of Toei Tokusatsu World (still need to get around to some of the others), and Ex-Aid, have yet to see the True Ending Trilogy. I'm currently considering Den-O or Gokaiger for my next Toku binge after Code Geas. |
10-27-2021, 10:56 AM | #638 |
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KAMEN RIDER X KAMEN RIDER W & DECADE: MOVIE WAR 2010
Yeah, boy, this was a huge let-down for someone who wanted to understand the motivations for characters, and the answer behind the many mysteries it dangled in front of a past version of Kamen Rider Die. Decade, in this movie, is mostly the Violent Emotion version, acting like a complete asshole for very little established reason. It’s waved off as He’s Been Through A Lot, but it’s still a huge change from where the TV series left everyone. You remember the end of the TV series, right? The two-parter that’s all about how Tsukasa will do anything to protect his friends, even if the universe is collapsing around them? Well, here’s a movie where Tsukasa dares his friends to murder him. For the Wataru explanation, I never got a sense that this'd be a Build-like ending of unifying worlds though, the premise iirc is always only about keeping the world getting destroyed, and this time Earth crashing into each other only means their destruction instead of unifying like Build (logical ), I guess this is the new reveal instead of more explanation about previous stuff, as it wasn't explained about the end part of the rider battle. As usual though, there are arguments of Onodera just starting that the Ultimate form is weaker, but it's a punching bag again to Decade, albeit Violent Emotion is also considered as one of the stronger Riders (outside of that certain one). Other than that, there's a new flavor of Decade Complete's ability here where he calls out all previous Riders in their Ultimate form at once, instead of just calling one. Quote:
But, like the TV series ending, it lands some moments so hard, so well, that I can’t write it off completely.
The idea of Tsukasa being willed back into existence by his friends, given life because they all created a story about him… I love it. I love it so much that I’m honest-to-god tearing up as I type this. It’s the perfect ending to this part of Tsukasa’s story. It's a moment -- in isolation from so much about this movie that runs the gamut from Unnecessary to Aggravating -- that I will literally never forget. It’s poignant, and beautiful, and the best reward for caring about this cast in spite of a high amount of bad storytelling. It’s a moment that is buried in a stupid film. A film so stupid it barely deserves an idea this goddamn good. Quote:
I like how the movie finally resolves the prophecy/threat of Natsumi as the one to stop Decade. I mean, Kiva-la. I knew that was a movie debut, and I knew it was The Girl From Decade (even without context and only having seen three other series, I could recognize which one was The Girl From Decade), but it means so much more now. Seeing Natsumi not just take up arms to end Decade’s reign of terror, but be the one who understands that Tsukasa’s redemption and refuge comes from his friends? I wish this movie had just stuck to that story. The cleanliness of it! The centering of the Natsumi/Tsukasa relationship as Tsukasa’s anchor, it’s a decision that gets what the show did well. It gets the strength of the Kamen Rider Decade series.
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10-27-2021, 10:32 PM | #639 |
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For wanting the movie to stuck on that story... I wonder what's the execution you'd want for Natsumi being the one to stop Decade.... killing Decade before he kills other Riders? Kinda totally different outcome that it means Decade didn't win, and it feels like Natsumi submits to Narutaki's propaganda instead of keep her faith on Tsukasa...
That said, I think you can do a story where Tsukasa brings in his friends on his plan, and it still ends up with Natsumi having to physically stop Tsukasa. Looking at how conflicted and betrayed Onodera is in the movie, that's the template for how you include the regular cast for Decade's plan: they hear out Tsukasa's plan, they're all onboard with the ugly necessity of it, and it eventually becomes something that Tsukasa starts feeding off of. Something where we see the shift from Decade to Violent Emotion, and Natsumi realizes that she has to do something about it. (Onodera wouldn't because he'd just lose, and it's not like Kaitou would ever just shoot Tsukasa in the face or anything stupid like that.) There's plenty of scaffolding in place for that story, if the production team had felt like using it.
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10-29-2021, 08:36 AM | #640 |
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It was great to see you get so much out of Decade, Die, even as the series continues to evade any attempt to end in a reasonable and/or satisfying manner. Especially when there are aniversary series out there which take Decade's anniversary concept and manage to be a lot more crowd-pleasing (Gokaiger, it's Gokaiger), this lovable-but-frustrating show still has some unique things that make it stand out. I don't think it'll ever be one of the all-time greats that always gets recommended, but it's interesting how I've seen the atttude on it changed from "Worst of all time" to "It's got some good ideas".
Also you missed Wataru's infamous "Decade has no story" line, 0/10 review.
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