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01-29-2020, 08:46 PM | #2481 |
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I had the same thought!! There were so many things going through my head; that episode just... surprised me at every turn. It's gotten me more interested in Doctor Who than I have been in... gosh, I think about a decade actually. This is a mystery that actually manages to intrigue me a lot.
What's interesting to me though is that... a lot of earlier season mysteries lead up to a returning big bad. Bad Wolf culminated in a showdown with the Daleks; Saxon ended up being The Master. But this season's been throwing out all those big returning antagonists left and right; The Master's been at the start of the season, we've already gotten Cybermen confirmed by Jack so it's not a surprise; Jack himself is back; the Judoon and Time Lords were in this one... we're leading up to either something original or building on something that was already there, rather than letting the substance be "oh shit! They're back!", and that's super great. I just hope they don't mess it up.
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01-29-2020, 11:40 PM | #2482 |
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What's interesting to me though is that... a lot of earlier season mysteries lead up to a returning big bad. Bad Wolf culminated in a showdown with the Daleks; Saxon ended up being The Master. But this season's been throwing out all those big returning antagonists left and right; The Master's been at the start of the season, we've already gotten Cybermen confirmed by Jack so it's not a surprise; Jack himself is back; the Judoon and Time Lords were in this one... we're leading up to either something original or building on something that was already there, rather than letting the substance be "oh shit! They're back!", and that's super great. I just hope they don't mess it up.
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01-29-2020, 11:42 PM | #2483 |
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It feels like a lot of the press for this season was very nostalgia-based, as opposed to last season's more clean slate approach. They did their season of the pendulum swinging towards New Fresh Start, now this year it swings back in favor of The Greatest Hits. I hope you're right, that is all a really smart mega-arc, but I'm just not that convinced. Still, I'd rather you be right than me be right!
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01-29-2020, 11:58 PM | #2484 |
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This season though, feels real up and down so far. I didn't watch the newest episode, despite it being thoroughly ruined through a number of headlines, so I can't speak to that one yet. But, like, the premiere had a great Master performance (that dude had the only good scene in the first season of Iron Fist, perfect choice for The Master) and a villain plot that really lost itself, that "Orphan 55" story has got to be the most infuriating episode I've ever seen, if not the worst, and the Tesla episode had some fun ideas but also was a little derivative. Like, maybe I'll feel differently about it in a year and I look back, and they've got a whole lot to go this season that could be amazing, but so far it's not super doing it for me this season.
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01-30-2020, 12:11 AM | #2485 |
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And, like, that's so weird, because I didn't think last season was so bad? I don't remember it being any worse than a regular season of Who, at least. And while some stuff didn't click, it at least felt like a new group of creators was trying some new moves. And HOLY SHIT did I appreciate them not trying to do a Big Mystery for the season, since that's 100% why I stopped watching the Moffat stuff.
This season though, feels real up and down so far. I didn't watch the newest episode, despite it being thoroughly ruined through a number of headlines, so I can't speak to that one yet. But, like, the premiere had a great Master performance (that dude had the only good scene in the first season of Iron Fist, perfect choice for The Master) and a villain plot that really lost itself, that "Orphan 55" story has got to be the most infuriating episode I've ever seen, if not the worst, and the Tesla episode had some fun ideas but also was a little derivative. Like, maybe I'll feel differently about it in a year and I look back, and they've got a whole lot to go this season that could be amazing, but so far it's not super doing it for me this season. No arguments here about Orphan 55; I still think Kerblam was worse, but this really continued a trend of "we have a good message but we don't know how to actually convey it so we'll just have the Doctor tell you what it is" that's been frustrating me with these two seasons. The Tesla episode reminded me of some of the best parts of Rosa (being very honest and informative; giving a lot of sympathy to a real historical figure and what they were going through) with the worst parts of the Witchfinders (terrible eyeroll-y monsters that take away from the really good drama). On the whole though? Really liked it. I dunno, this season actually has me enjoying Doctor Who in a way I haven't in a very, very long time. I could point to a few individual Capaldi episodes that made me feel the same way but a whole season hasn't felt this good since 2010. I probably shouldn't judge too early, but again, this is hitting a lot of the right beats for me. Now if only they can give Yaz something to do...
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01-30-2020, 12:19 AM | #2486 |
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One of the things that really made me enjoy last season was how well the show landed the Graham/Ryan stuff, how earned it all felt by the end. This year, I was like, Okay, the boys had their turn, now let's give Yaz some character growth! ... M-maybe next season?
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01-30-2020, 04:45 PM | #2487 |
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Doctor Who since 2005's Rose has been strong and solid as a whole. Honestly I felt the show has grown better over the years ( weak moments aside).
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03-01-2020, 03:06 PM | #2488 |
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That was, um, interesting--
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03-02-2020, 11:49 PM | #2489 |
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Thanks to a pick up of the US exclusive Annimatiin Collection set I recently saw the lost story from Series XVII by Douglas Adams Shada Parts 1 - 6 uncut. (2 and ah half hours run time)They used annimation to fill in what wasn't filmed. I also picked up a colorized version of the 2nd Doctor 6 part story Power Of The Daleks. Also included were the 10th Doctor specials The Infinity Quest with Martha Jones and Dreamland.
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03-03-2020, 12:25 AM | #2490 |
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Thanks to a pick up of the US exclusive Annimatiin Collection set I recently saw the lost story from Series XVII by Douglas Adams Shada Parts 1 - 6 uncut. (2 and ah half hours run time)They used annimation to fill in what wasn't filmed. I also picked up a colorized version of the 2nd Doctor 6 part story Power Of The Daleks. Also included were the 10th Doctor specials The Infinity Quest with Martha Jones and Dreamland.
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