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Vlam leads Shoma into the Stomach factory.
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In the scene @ 00:28 it's shown that Hanto's wounds have been quickly healing. It seems quite likely that Hanto will start showing gradual genetic transformation into a Granute like I hypothesized in episode 7 thread here. It'd be ironic if it's true.
Nyelv gives Lage 9 the new Purujelly RG @ 02:03. What looks like a free gift could prove to be an expensive curse later, and Lage 9 could be the first pawn who'd get the short end of the stick from his cahoots with Nyelv like I hypothesized in the episode 17 thread here. "If the product you use is free, then the actual product is you." Shouma is trying another attempt to convince Lage 9 @ 05:49 by showing him that Takeshi's parents and Sachika the busybody girl are distributing pamphlets showing Takeshi as a missing person. It reminds Lage 9 of the same thing he did in the Granute world. The Granutes rudely dismissed Lage 9's question about Komel's whereabouts, so perhaps the majority Granutes have an attitude problem, haha. ![]() ![]() ![]() Lage 9 asks Shouma @ 07:23 why Komel was killed, and Shouma says that it's likely because Komel wanted to stop kidnapping humans. Lage 9 suggests to Shouma that the only way to find Takeshi and the remaining Hito Pressed humans is to go directly to Stomach's factory, and ends it by introducing his real name as Lakia. Lage 9 takes Shouma to a temporary collection location @ 09:08 out of 2 others. He says that part-timers can't freely traverse between worlds. They then follow one of Lango's agents to the location of the actual portal: A toilet stall. Shouma simply uses his Stomach power and unlock the portal and casually enters it with Lage 9. In episode 19 thread here I hypothesized that Shouma and Lage 9 would likely kill the agent guarding the portal, but it turns out I'm 1000% wrong because the portal is not guarded, at all! Why the heck Stomach put a portal in such a public place? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If Lango is a drug lord that still has normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, then he would: - Command Shita, Jeebh, or several of the higher-ranked part-timers to rent several locations in the human world as collection spots, and make them look as normal and private as possible, very likely as an apartment for Shita, Jeebh, or the part-timers. - Command the part-timers to visit those locationsto submit the Hito Pressed humans they've collected to Shita, Jeebh, or several of the higher-ranked part-timers as both field coordinators and supervisors/guards, or better, simply send the Hito Pressed humans via post, UPS, DHL, etc to those locations. Since the Hito Pressed humans look like ordinary acrylic stands, no one from the Tokyo law enforcement would raise eyebrows. - Since Shita and Jeebh are members of the Stomach family, they can easily open the interworld portal and smuggle the Hito Pressed humans easily into the Granute world. - In case of Shita or Jeebh is unable to supervise several other locations, then those locations would be supervised by the higher-ranked part-timers. The agents then will only need to show up inside those locations (not outside!) to collect the Hito Pressed humans. The big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents will not need to take even one step outside of those locations, thus greatly minimizes the literal huge risk of being detected by humans. - Since the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents never step outside, from outside observers those locations will look like any ordinary apartment buildings in Tokyo. The only people outside observers will see are just Shita, Jeebh, and several of the higher-ranked part-timers, all of whom are able to assume their human disguises, so no humans will bat an eye. Better yet, give Shita, Jeebh, and those higher-ranked part-timers multiple human disguises to even obscure their tracks. Shouma, Hanto, and even Lage 9 will have an infinitely much, much, much harder time since they can't tell the difference between a real human and a Granute in disguise without looking beneath the clothes. - PROFIT. See, Lango? That's how you cover up your tracks in the human world. Eliminate the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents, since they're Stomach's biggest liabilities in the human world. The fact that the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents are obviously known risks but are even allowed to roam free in the human world in the first place only show one thing: Lango is an utterly idiotic CEO villain. I need not to worry, though. He'd likely do several other stupid things in future episodes. Shouma and Lage 9 are trying to open several doors inside the so-called Door Room but they're connected to different locations in the human world. And yes, the Door Room is also not guarded by agents. Dumb. When they finally manage to open the door that lead to the Stomach factory in the Granute world, the other side of the door is also not guarded by agents. Dumb again. Shouma says @ 11:29 that the Hito Pressed humans are stored and processed into spices at the underground part of the factory. This makes sense since in episode 1 Shouma and his mom were taken there. What makes no sense is @ 11:43 where Shouma instantly presses the correct key combination into a locked room, without even trying! He says to Lage 9 that his memory is quite unclear, which then begs the question: How the heck Shouma was able to know the correct key combination in the first place? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Shouma is having a flashback @ 12:13 Lage 9 pulls his hand. Aaaaannnnnddddd... Hanto's mom named Sae Karakida appears in that flashback. She pulled Kid Shouma's hand when he was looking for her mom and asked Kid Shouma to come with her to pick up his mom. She looked perfectly fine in that scene, so after she was kidnapped by the elusive Wolf Granute 18 years ago, she was likely let go and was let alive, at least for a short time. There's even the very low probability that she's still alive right now. Kid Shouma having met Hanto's mom could mean that the elusive Wolf Granute who kidnapped her 18 years ago was indeed Kid Shouma like I've been hypothesizing in episode 6 thread here, or at least connected to Kid Shouma in some way. Shouma then wonders if the woman in the flashback is actually Hanto's mom. The question is: How did Kid Shouma lose his memory? Also, how did Shouma instantly concludes that the woman in the flashback is Hanto's mom? That woman could've been another human, and Hanto's mom could've been already processed into Dark Snack spices. Perhaps Hanto's mom introduced her full name (Sae Karakida) to Kid Shouma, or even befriended him since Kid Hanto was also around the same age as Kid Shouma? That could be true because Hanto's mom thought that Kid Shouma was just another human who was kidnapped with his mom by Granute part-timers. If my hypothesis is correct, then this reveal is quite similar to KR Gotchard on how Kid Houtarou was revealed to having already befriended Hopper 1, Steamliner, and other Chemies in the past before he was Neuralyzed by Fuga. In the scene @ 12:28 Shouma remembers the flashback he experienced in episode 12 when he saw Hanto pulled out the last photo of his kid self and his mom 18 years ago. Is that how Shouma instantly concludes that the woman in the flashback in this episode is Hanto's mom? Hanto never actually showed Shouma the photo. He only pulled it out and Shouma was just looking at it from a distance from the side, so it'd be quite hard to discern the facial detail of her mom. When an agent finally appears @ 12:36, he's easily defeated. Shouma and Lage 9 don't even need to transform, haha. ![]() Hanto finally wakes up @ 12:54. He wonders how he got there, and Kenzou says that it was Shouma who brought him there after he was defeated by Lage 9/KR Vram. Hanto accuses Kenzou of doing something suspicious to Shouma @ 13:24, and Kenzou of course denies it. Aaaaannnnnddddd... The camera then immediately pans to the lab plate containing a strand of Shouma's hair that the took in episode 19, accompanied with an animated image of DNA strand on his computer screen. Like I hypothesized in episode 19 thread last week here, it's very likely that Kenzou is starting a new experiment with Shouma's DNA. It could be an experiment to extract Shouma's human DNA. Maybe, just maybe, that human DNA is then injected into Jeebh to allow him to gain similar power to Shouma, and allow him to create Gochizous by eating humans' snacks. Jeebh's Gavv would be modified by Nyelv or Kenzou based on Dente's data, or even by Dente himself. The side effect of this DNA injection experiment could likely cause Jeebh to gradually develop sympathy for humans. Jeebh was last seen in episode 16, so there's a high chance that the writers are sidelining him to build momentum for his reappearance with a brand new look and debut as KR Bitter Gavv in episode 21 on February 2 as the toy release date indicated. There's also a lower possibility that Kenzou/Nyelv is trying to create a clone of Shouma based on the extracted DNA, and the clone's Gavv would then be modified with the Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv, similar to how a random Native Worm was ordered to mimic kid Tendou Souji, was given the Dark Kabuto Zecter, and was used as the test subject of the Hyper Zecter experiment in KR Kabuto. Oh, and congratulations to Kenzou for having a very very very convenient power of being able to detect a strand of hair from several meters away, haha. ![]() Shouma and Lage 9 are involved in a gun fight inside the Stomach factory's underground floor, and there are still no worker at all. None. What kind of factory is this silent with no worker in sight at all? Heck, even all the equipments there are turned off! Lango has already stated multiple times that he's planning to increase Stomach's visibility and profit in the drug dealing underworld, so why the heck is the production halted and all the factory workers and employees are put on vacation? ![]() ![]() Glotta sees Lage 9 with Shouma, and concludes that Lage 9 is betraying Stomach. Likewise, Lage 9 introduces himself using his real name, Lakia Amarga, and reveals his intention to uncover Komel's death who he's suspected was killed by one of Stomach's goons. The focus on Glotta in this scene could mean that Komel was indeed killed by Glotta like I hypothesized in episode 19 thread here, or at least killed by one of her agents. Maaannn... I thought Lage 9 would stick around longer to spy on Stomach and uncover more of their deeper secrets, but no, he reveals himself to Glotta as a traitor. He doesn't even try to hide! Why would he reveal himself as a traitor this early? If he stayed longer as a spy, he could be promoted to higher position, and would be able to uncover many more valuable secrets. What are Stomach's secrets that he has actually uncovered as a spy? So far, aside from having the Vrastum Gear, most of the intel he has known about Stomach are the same knowledge possessed by any ordinary part-timers. Now that his jig is up, who would give him info about Komel's death? His decision to reveal himself to Glotta as a traitor makes no sense at all. This is likely due to KR Bitter Gavv's debut next week. Lage 9's tenure as a featured Rider is likely over, so the writers made him make a dumb decision simply to clear the screen and make room for KR Bitter Gavv. He looks like a very disposable character that exists simply to be given the Vrastum Gear, transforms into KR Vram, and promote the DX toys. When the advertising for the new DX Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv toys begins, Lage 9 is casually tossed aside, like a useless item tossed aside on a messy table to make room for the new items. Heck, he even recited his entire back story last week in the infodump scene in episode 19! This makes me kinda pity Lage 9, haha. ![]() Hanto is scrolling through social media @ 17:32, and he receives a notification of a post that shows a photo of Shouma/KR Gavv surrounded by Glotta, 2 of her agents, and Lage 9/KR Vram. He thinks that Shouma/KR Gavv is taking on 4 opponents by himself. Lage 9/KR Vram decides to try the new Purujelly RG. When the Invisible Jelly finisher is activated, 2 tendrils appear from the Driver and connect to his heart. The Purujelly RG's the Invisible Jelly finisher is nice because it can render Lage 9/KR Vram invisible, but it'd likely has negative side effects which could shorten his lifespan. That could be the short end of the stick from his cahoots with Nyelv I mentioned in paragraph 2 above. Hanto shows up at the fight scene @ 20:03. He sees Lage 9/KR Vram fight Glotta, concludes that Shouma/KR Gavv is helping Lage 9/KR Vram, and becomes hesitant to transform. The blade on Glotta's weapon is destroyed by Shouma/KR Gavv Caking form's finisher, and she lauds him by calling him the youngest of the Stomach family. This reveal surprises both Lage 9 and Hanto, especially Hanto who appears behind Shouma @ 22:17. This is sooooooooo convenient and lazy. Hanto is made to not transform in this scene simply so that he can listen to Glotta revealing the info about Shouma being the youngest of the Stomach siblings. This kind of lazy reveal has been the staple of this story, such as the ones in episodes 14-16. So yeah, like I hypothesized last week in episode 19 thread here, Hanto finally learns the truth about Shouma's true nature as a human-Granute hybrid. Hanto learning the truth about Shouma after 7 episodes overdue is already stupid, but what's even 100x stupider is the fact Hanto learns it not via deductive reasoning of his own, but simply via a very very very convenient, cheap, and lazy circumstantial reaveal. Who needs logic? Who needs rationality? Who needs common sense? Who needs reasoning? A lazy infodump/reveal will suffice. No need for logic, rationality, and common sense. Gosh, this gotta be the stupidest sEcReT iDeNtItY plot I've ever seen. My Lord in heaven, what an atrocious writing. *facepalm while vomiting from the cringe-inducing stupidity of this story In the scene @ 22:25: Hanto: "Shouma... You're a Granute?! What do you mean you're Stomach's youngest child???" Me: "No shit, Sherlock! You're 7 episodes overdue, bruh. Where have you been, Hanto?" Yes. Once again, KR Gavv demonstrates how pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, and atrocious its story is. Congratulations, Gavv's writers and producers! You've demonstrated how creatively bankrupt this franchise has become since 2021. Next week: The debut of KR Bitter Gavv. His real identity is likely Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?). He's doing bad things to humans, and would likely be mistaken as the real Shouma by Hanto and Sachika. Kenzou's even trying to flame up the conflict by saying that it's the real Shouma's true nature since he's working with Lage 9 in episode 20. So yeah, Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?)is likely a clone created by Kenzou from Shouma's DNA like I elaborated above and in episode 19 thread here. This raises several questions: What's the point of Kenzou's experiment with Shouma's DNA? What's he trying to achieve from it? What's his endgame? Does it have anything to do with Jeebh who is currently MIA? KR Bitter Gavv could be very similar KR Gotchard Daybreak who appeared very briefly for several episodes simply to shill the modified/dark/palette-swapped version of the main Rider's Driver/trinkets and was never seen again after his advertising tenure ends, haha. ![]() My hypothesis in episode 6 thread here about Hanto's conflict was proven to be correct. Heck, I even correctly pinpointed that it would begin in episode 20. After this point Hanto would likely begin his transition into a dark secondary Rider (like what happened to Sad Boi Keiwa) like shown on the 2nd arc poster several weeks ago. What's his name would be? KR Dark Valen? KR Corrupt Valen? KR Bitter Valen? KR Fallen Valen? Haha. ![]() ![]() Sooooo, KR Bitter Gavv turns out to be a different character, not Jeebh. The fact that Jeebh is still nowhere to be seen could mean that he'd likely transform into the 5th Rider. That, or he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha. ![]() |
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Well, the episode was generally predictable, but with a few interesting surprises. After coming out to Shouma in the last episode, Lakiya was still hesitant, but when Shouma showed him how similar people's situations were to his own, he finally decided to break away from his undercover work. So Vram is now on the good guy team, if there even is one on the show at this point.
Together they enter the Granute factory, where Glotta shines. She is so strong that even the two riders in their strongest forms only manage to break her weapon. He also accidentally reveals Shouma’s secret to his allies. It would seem that this is the end of the secrets, but a new one is already emerging on the horizon, namely Shouma’s memories of Hanto’s mother. It turns out that he saw her in childhood, which means the Wolf-Granute from the flashback did not immediately turn her into Dark Treats. At least then. I would venture to guess that she was the same concubine as Shouma’s mother, one of his older siblings, or even Denta (this old man is clearly keeping something quiet). But we will reveal this secret later, but for now it’s time to piece together the broken alliance. It’s interesting that in the preview it’s Hanto who splashes all the rage at Shouma. This is understandable, because he was an ally of Gavv longer and revealed all his secrets to him. Moreover, Shouma lied to his face, saying that he was not hiding anything. Lakia, for his part, seemed to take the news of Shouma's relationship to the Stomatch family more calmly. Although, perhaps, this is a false opinion and the showdown with Vram was simply postponed to later episodes. For all this, you somehow don’t even pay attention to Bitter Gavv, who should bring even more confusion into the complex relationship of the trio of riders. I also can’t help but note Vram’s new form. Visually there is nothing special about this pink half armor, but the abilities really surprised me. First of all, invisibility is not a power that usually goes to good guys. Secondly: she has limitations, which are shown right during the debut, but at the same time they do not detract from her coolness. So yes, I was impressed by the invisible jelly. P.S. In any case, all the predictions about: “Vram is a dark rider” and “Komura does not accept redemption” turned out to be false. However, the show itself throws up Bitter Gavv, to which this may well be applicable. Last edited by Mesnick; 01-26-2025 at 05:19 PM.. |
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Okay so that is how they get Vram, I mean Lage9, no wait: Lakia! Yes Lakia, third time's the charm. Anyway, that's how they get Lakia away from the mass-kidnapper allegations. Because luckily all the Presses he collected over weeks were just sitting around collecting dust at one specific location and not a single one was ever processed, even though they were all Lango-approved high quality materials.
Fantastic Toku logic. But hey, now he can be a good guy! And it only took like - 3 episodes. That’s fine I guess, would’ve been boring if they dragged it out longer. And he’s not buddy-buddy with everyone yet, so lots of time for him to be a bit of a wildcard still. He also channels his inner Kurapika because in the new jelly form he can - wrap chains around his own heart, squeeze it, and that turns him into immediate cardiac arrest and he dies I mean turns him invisible. Fantastic Toku logic. Wait I said that already. Didn’t have "Jelly man chokes his own heart to turn invisible" on my bingo card for 2025, but that's why I love Tokusatsu, you never know what wild stuff they come up with. The action sequence was fun though, Glotta is awesome still, love the boss lady. The end though, oof. That's how Hanto realizes? Oh no. And to be honest, he's a bit of an asshole about it. No wonder Shoma couldn't tell him. You even told yourself that his actions speak for themselves and that your own ego limits your judgment already Hanto, and your first reaction is to get up and punch the guy in the face? That’s mean. Makes for good drama though. Speaking about good drama, Shoma did actually know Hanto's mother? So he wasn't the Granute who kidnapped her (I guess) but they did know each other? Huh. Also, Bitter Gavv next week, and its host is Bully Maguire Shoma. Or his evil clone grown from that one hair the mad professor stole. We'll see. |
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Okay so that is how they get Vram, I mean Lage9, no wait: Lakia! Yes Lakia, third time's the charm. Anyway, that's how they get Lakia away from the mass-kidnapper allegations. Because luckily all the Presses he collected over weeks were just sitting around collecting dust at one specific location and not a single one was ever processed, even though they were all Lango-approved high quality materials.
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The end though, oof. That's how Hanto realizes? Oh no. And to be honest, he's a bit of an asshole about it. No wonder Shoma couldn't tell him. You even told yourself that his actions speak for themselves and that your own ego limits your judgment already Hanto, and your first reaction is to get up and punch the guy in the face? That?s mean. Makes for good drama though.
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Is that how Shouma instantly concludes that the woman in the flashback in this episode is Hanto's mom? Hanto never actually showed Shouma the photo. He only pulled it out and Shouma was just looking at it from a distance from the side, so it'd be quite hard to discern the facial detail of her mom.
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Reiwa's secondary Rider tradition continues.
Shoma continues his efforts to redeem Lakia, starting with them introducing themselves to each other. Lakia's callousness in kidnapping humans stems from his lack of knowledge about them. Coincidentally, Takeshi's situation is somewhat similar to Lakia looking after Comel, which might evoke empathy in him for humans, helping Shoma succeed. It is also unclear how much Lakia cares about other Granutes, especially given his statement that he doesn't care if anyone dies. It appears that if Lango is the leader and Nyelv is the brains, then Glotta represents the brute force among the Stomach group, primarily focused on fighting. Glotta in her Granute form is still stronger than Cake form and also Vram Jelly. Jelly possesses Clear Vent powers but hurts Lakia's heart (liver, not heartbreak). Shoma and Lakia infiltrating the Stomach Inc. base reminds me of Monsters Inc., where they go through various doors to access each other's worlds (and the main villain plans to kidnap thousands). I’m unsure which of Lakia's victims have been processed, but Takeshi has not. Hanto acts irrationally and lumps Shoma together with the other Granutes. Though miscommunication is still involved to some degree when Glotta reveals that Shoma is part of the Stomach family, as well as when he fights alongside Vram, who as far as Hanto's concerned, is still evil and never learns about his backstory or the changes he has undergone. What comes to my mind when Hanto confronts and punches Shoma at the end was Price punching Yuri in MW3 due to him knowing Makarov. Hanto joins another secondary character who starts out nice but later becomes antagonistic toward the main Rider. Hanto has negative traits, being consumed by hatred and vengeance; this darker side is beginning to surface. However, his actions are currently similar to Geiz pursuing Sougo (otherwise Geiz only fights against bad guys). Hanto's journey could lead him down a villainous path if he begins consistently targeting innocent Granutes, paralleling Lakia's actions against innocent humans, but in reverse. Quote:
The end though, oof. That's how Hanto realizes? Oh no. And to be honest, he's a bit of an asshole about it. No wonder Shoma couldn't tell him. You even told yourself that his actions speak for themselves and that your own ego limits your judgment already Hanto, and your first reaction is to get up and punch the guy in the face? That’s mean. Makes for good drama though.
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No that is Kamen Rider logic. Watch, next week or after the bitter phase blows over they'll have a short scene with either a news report running on TV or Sachika browsing the web and it will go like: "Hey! All the missing people from the mysterious mass disappearances are back!" and that's it.
Would I prefer Lakia actually being confronted with this? Like developing a life in the human world, making a friend, only to realize that friend is grieving because they lost a person in their lives due to him abducting them? Absolutely, that would be so good. Realistically, it's time to sell new toys next week; I fully expect this topic to come to a close. Quote:
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Makes perfect sense what is happening, it's just that no one is at fault here really, both have valid point of views. I just hate to see these two fight. |
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In any case, with Hanto, it seems to me that many are running ahead of the locomotive. That is, maybe this is not a dispute that is worth getting involved in, but it seems to me that it is too early to call Valen a merciless Granute killer. Let him do something really bad first. Because if we talk about theories, then we can remember that in the final battle with the twins, Shouma fantasized about how they could become friends. This means that even after relatives killing his mother and he becoming Kamen Rider, he still dreams of being part of the Stomatch family. That is, if the older siblings, despairing of defeat, even pretend that they are ready to accept him, he may well turn against Hanto and Lakia and be an antagonist in the last quarter of the show, until his eyes are opened at the very end (or even after), as in the case of Zero-One. So all riders have villainous potential since Showa, and it?s more interesting how they avoid it rather than use it. P.S. And it just dawned on me that Hanto punching Shouma , who can survive a collision with a truck without consequences. Last edited by Mesnick; 01-27-2025 at 06:34 AM.. |
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All I want to say is that despite not liking Hanto and Shouma fighting, it is a credit to the show's writing that I completely understand both sides reasons.
Shouma was afraid of being outed and honestly, who wouldn't? Not only does he belong to the same race that kidnaps humans and uses them as spice, his only Rider friend has declared that he will destroy all people who belong to that species. Why would he reveal his nature? But at the same time, Hanto is in way too much pain to see reason. His mother got kidnapped (and perhaps even killed) and nobody believed him aside from his boss and father figure. And once he starts making headway into finding the culprit, his boss gets killed as well. So him discovering that Shouma is not only a member of the species that kidnapped his mother, but also a member of the family responsible for those kidnappings, is not going to leave him as the most amenable of fellows. No one is at fault here but conflict is inevitable. But it will be Hanto's responsibility to let go of his hatred. Overall, excellent episode. But Vram's Jelly form sucks. It's only marginally better than Pudding form.
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