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Mashin Sentai Kiramager Episode 45- "You Guys Shined!" Discussion
The Kiramagers mount a final all-out attack to stop Emperor Yodon in his rampage.
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The ending feels very by the book generic happy draginball wish kind of finale ending. It's weird they need redo yodonna origin and connection with the emperor so many time at first you think she the secretary to possession to brainwash to being part of him or not. Now we know. Heck like many final boss we gets more lore about him minutes before he gets kill off.
Looking forward to 2 more kiramager movie. The vs is coming out as a spring movie. Yodon emperor was defeated differently. I really thought the orange stone would shatter. The magazone scan shows a dif battle. |
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Well that's a wrap! In many ways Kiramager was very by-the-books, and in some ways it felt like an invigorating experience from start to finish.
I think with every season we want so much for our minds to be blown by some earth-shattering writing and storytelling, but Sentai means different things to different people and if it can be all those things without being a total disaster then that can only be considered a success. Kiramager has been one of my favorite and most enjoyable Sentai in recent memory and though I'm looking forward to Zenkaiser, especially as it's an anniversary season, I'll be a little sad that Kiramager is finally ending. |
Well ! My prediction about Yodon and his masks ended up being mostly wrong !
NO MATTER ! This has honestly been one of the best season in years I feel, after multiple years of meh to completely ruined premises due to sales, this has been a refreshing season all around. 10/10 would recommend and all the twinkles ! Best points of the season was the characters overall, even the monsters of the week had interesting sides to them, and while emperor Yodon did not have the biggest depth to him, it really was not needed, the voice acting and overall design worked quite well for me at least, I wish the fact he split himself without even intending to do so like the Orochi he seems to have come from was explored a little more after the Yodonna reveal, but we cannot have everything, and overall I did not have an issue with him as a villain unlike the villains over the last years. He overall stayed calm and overall all the way, even when he finally went down, sure he was shocked by the trickery but he did not have a child like tantrum from it which has been some time since we have had, literally cost himself a win in the long run because he threw away what he felt was his weaknesses, while the Kiramagers were strong because they stuck together, pretty standard good and evil premise, but that is not a negative. |
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My biggest complaint with Kiramager was that the Megazords didn’t combine. That to me is almost heresy as far as Super Sentai goes
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I was also thinking since the last episode that these last two episodes have been pretty surprisingly cliched for this show, and while I'm still disappointed about how Garza's story got resolved, I really enjoyed this wrap-up!
I realised like halfway through that this was no longer the production team delivering just a good finale for a yearly sentai, but they were moreso doing everything they could to celebrate Kiramager specifically, and see it off happily. In that sense, I understand why in favour of any particularly dramatic plots, we have a big, exceptionally shiny battle that's meant to also feel like the heroes doing what they've always done in their usual outings. There's nothing to really dig into here, but there's not really meant to be. Just one final bout and then a rapid-fire series of heartwarming moments where I couldn't stop smiling... The show is just patting us on the back for sticking around all year, and I'm happy to have done so! |
Well, that’s the end of the show. I’m not quite sure how to put my thoughts on the episode individually, so I think I’ll just put my thoughts on the whole series in.
The good: Shiguru. I like that that for once the show was ironically using the “Blue thinks he’s cool because he never smiles and knows a few poorly pronounced words of English” archetype, which just makes him all the more enjoyable. The comedy. While I didn’t think any of the comedy in the last two shows was bad per se, this show basically thrives on it. Carantula. Just goes to show that the guy who’s most likely to get a redemption is the guy you don’t think will get one until it comes up. The ending theme. I will be sorely disappointed if Takashi Deguchi doesn’t come back for a later series. The not as good. The show’s theme of creativity. As much as the show likes to pride itself on this concept, other than one episode with Shiguru working on a new sword technique, no-one actually creates anything. Even Juru, the one guy who does this on a regular basis, is basically just altering things that already exists (namely, the Kiramai Stones). Yet Garza having done this to Jouki is treated like a bad thing, which kind of undermines the message the show was going for. Which leads to my next point. Garza. The guy started out as a strong character and his final arc had an equally strong start… but then they squashed it by giving him an anti-climactic redemption that basically required them to rewrite everything we knew about him in order to work. Yodonna. While the twist of having a humanoid big bad is novel, they did nothing with it afterwards. Most humanoid villains tend to disguise themselves to pull off plans, yet other than her debut, Yodonna never does that. Garza’s relationships with the main cast. He starts off with a fairly strong rivalry with Juru, but then when Takamichi shows up, he diverts all his attention to him. And then that rivalry gets dropped all of a sudden to go back to Juru for his last two episodes. The comedy. Yes, I cited this as a strength, but there are times where it can be a bit too much. The Mecha fights. The lack of any real variety in the combinations used after a while makes the fights feel incredibly stale. The lack at a major combination doesn’t help in this regard. The sentient Mecha angle. Yeah, people think it’s done better than Abaranger’s, but people don’t really consider that a good example of one, heck in a poll, Juru/Fire wasn’t first place in the Red/Mecha partnerships (that was Sosuke/Speedor), nor was he the second (that was Koh/Tyramigo). The lack of any real elaboration on Juru’s link with Oradin (and later Galza). The finale tries to answer it but it falls flat and contradicts the start of the series by claiming hat it borough the Kiramagers together, (No, it got one of you onboard. The rest were already together) Sayo. Don’t get me wrong, she’s great. She just suffers from not getting much screen time. The bad. GoKiramager. ‘Nuff said. Emperor Yodon. The guy was just an unnecessary addition that dragged down the series. He has no personality or clear motives and his final plan is less the culmination of everything in the series so far and more him just making it up on the spot. With that said, I’d rate Kiramager 5/10. Not bad, but nothing to write home about either. Go-Onger still did basically everything this show did, but better. Even the handoff. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zq2-SAF8TEY |
Anyone remember when the last time a Sentai played its intro in the final episode.
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Kiramager, huh?
Hard to deny some of the flaws – there’s areas the imagination aspect could have been stronger, royalty is never fantastic, and of course Garza’s ending failed to stick the landing. I think if he had been the final boss we could be looking at one of the best Sentais ever here, and I'll always say that's the biggest problem Kiramager has. I keep thinking about Fish's wish for a world where Garza was the final boss and how that would have brought all the season's themes full circle, and compared to Emperor Yodon himself? Yeah, it's hard to deny. It's a shame really. All of which is to say… fuck me those are minor quibbles against an INCREDIBLE season! I haven’t felt so invested in and excited about a Sentai in a while; every character is stunning, it goes out of its way every other episode to do something completely wild and unexpected and anti-tropey of the franchise and pulls it off so so well, the direction is BRILLIANT, I just… it uses such a simple setting to dazzle and shine in every which way. In many ways it feels like they took the very specific Showa era of Sentai and revived that for the modern age, and I can hardly think of a better way to start off its 45th anniversary. Something I always think about with Kiramager that to me sums up what I feel about this show? The episode they got the Kiramei arrow. Usually an episode about limits - ESPECIALLY in toku - will have the characters surpassing those limits with determination and willpower to get their new power-up. And I’m cool with it! If I wasn’t I probably wouldn’t be into this franchise; it’s a great awesome statement of intent. But it just makes Kiramager all the more special when their lesson is that surpassing your limits is not a good thing and will burn you out and hurt you, and to that end they give the power-up a time limit and that’s the lesson here. The inspiration to know your limits, and that everyone has them and that it’s fine to have them. That’s the sort of subversion Kiramager always went for and it’s always to the end of a wonderful lesson, and that’s why I love this show There’s some issues to be sure, but… Kiramager was so special to me. I’m so glad I watched that. |
It was a fun show. Probably my favorite Sentai since Zyuohger.
Some things could've been handled better, especially during the final stretch, but I still enjoyed watching it. |
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I feel lord garza should be the unredeemable villain because the last 2 episodes doesn't feel like there was any personal or emotional stake. I was expecting an epic duke out with super red vs lord garza. Even ryusoulger despite being a poorly written series with the sacrifice at the end and stakes make the final battle more entertaining. I was expecting the orange kiramei stone to shatter and mabushina must give up her dream to revive her home world to save earth. The whole monologue chant cheering with Yodon just standing there felt so off. Everyone gets a happy ending even the queen is back. I swore they did another fake out again with Yodon emperor pinned by all 6 kiramager in magazine scans, but it never happened. The same with 02 vs arc1 in last year kamen rider series. A lot of last minute change possibly like how decade film a fake trailer for his MovieSz a decade agox. Yodonna will be retuning as well . her movie possibly take place before ending of the series like lupinranger vs. The minjo dream movie starring dan mitsu ft express also confirm to take place very early on in kiramager like a suppose summer movie according to the teaser clip from this finale. |
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I'm expecting a lot of non red jokes and puns for zenkaiger. I'm not sure if the movie act as a prologue that Segway in to the series or not anymore judging from preview. Maybe zenkaiger will continue the trend of non combining mecha. It would make sense to do an ultimate cluster brick if there's only one guy piloting unless the 6th ranger is not another mecha robo |
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That was the route they should’ve taken IMO, drop the whole revival of Yodon and instead focus on the event that did make Garza change towards evil and have the fight more mentally than in reality. Let Juuru use that link he found to Garza to help him understand his own feelings. Or maybe something like Ultraman Geed's ending could've been better, where we can understand and sympathize with the villain and have the protagonist forgive him but don’t actually redeem the bad guy. |
I was kinda the opposite actually; where Thouser was so bad it had completely desensitised me to any other last minute villain redemption. Once you've gone that low I just don't really care anymore about standard-bad villain redemptions like this.
Either way I found the main issue with Garza wasn't necessarily that he '''redeemed''' himself, but that everything was revealed to be him being hypnotised by Yodon. That bit where he keels over and go "I used to love my family, so what... what the hell have I been doing, where did I go wrong?!" was legitimately pretty good and it was just so lame that it just turned out to be "oh it's because Yodon mind controlled him". |
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But anyway, It would've been a much better ending if Garza really did kill the Emperor, and In the end, Juru had that battle and talk out with him like it was in the actually episode. Though part of me thinks It'd be too similar to Zero One's ending. |
There's not really any fantastic thematic resolution here that makes me take back everything I said about Garza. There's not some big final impressive message the show leaves on that stunned me with its unparalleled brilliance. There's not any shockingly unexpected twist on the formula that makes the story feel insanely fresh and gripping.
But man, I started crying in the middle of this episode, and any critical thing I could possibly say about Kiramager's finale can't begin to compare with the weight of that. It was the roll call that did it. Anyone who's been a Sentai fan for a while knows that it's tradition for the team to do their routine in the final episode without their helmets – a big deal because, with a few exceptions, Sentai teams tend not to take those off too often, and because it gives the actors a chance to both show they can nail those poses, as well as simply lending the scene some extra gravitas through their facial expressions, which you obviously can't get from the usual suit actors. It's an event, and one I always look forward to each year. But as soon as it started happening in Kiramager, a wave of emotion came over me as I remembered that this is something that happens in the final episode. This was it. I wasn't getting a new Kiramager episode every week after this, and more than usual – more than with Sentai I've liked even more – I wasn't ready to let go. That's the feeling I was chewing on for the rest of the episode, and all while thinking about it afterwards, and it got me to realize it's maybe more important to speak from my heart than from my brain right now. I think a surprisingly important facet of how people form opinions on art is just how and when it happens to find them in life, and while I won't go quite as far as saying Kiramager was "what we needed right now" or anything too hackneyed and hyperbolic, it quickly became apparent to me why I was feeling this level of attachment to it. Not simply because it was such a fun series. Not only because I went to the effort of writing these reviews for all but a few episodes by Tete Inoue and those half-dozen or so early on I skipped out on entirely while writing that huge Kuuga thread. No, it was the pure, underlying root of all that, which is that it was a show I was genuinely glad to have in my life when it was. If you ask the Internet, a lot of years have been The Worst Year, but it's hard to deny how unusually, extremely rough 2020 was for a whole lot of people, and that's why I feel so grateful that Kiramager happened to be the Sentai born into that. Kiramager wasn't Sentai as an epic dinosaur fantasy, or a grounded crime drama, or anything else like that. It was Sentai as itself, trimmed of excess, and polished to perfection. Rather than try to add on top of the base formula to create something novel and unique, Kiramager focused on finding the absolute core of the franchise and taking that one thing as far as it could. The core in question, as I see it, is just how uplifting Super Sentai is. It's a franchise about literally colorful characters who inspire the viewers by heroically triumphing over evil, and that's why Kiramager's motif is so perfectly suited to its goals. It's a show about dazzling brightness overwhelming the murky darkness, because, at the end of the day, aren't they all? And it's with all that in mind that I think this finale nailed what it was going for. While it didn't focus on any of the more specific things I felt were thematically strong about Kiramager, the celebratory tone shows a great understanding of how important the overall positive energy of the series is to its identity. The key is how it frames itself around Mabusheena. The effusive speeches she gives during the final battle paying individual tribute to how amazing each of the Kiramagers is could come off as self-indulgent at a glance, but it's totally critical to the point the show is making by having her become the queen of Crystalia in the epilogue, when she gives the credit to the Kiramagers for being such great role-models. Again, I could sit here all day talking about all the hypothetical stuff I would've liked to see with Garza, but I'd have to be insane to act like Arakawa doesn't get his own show when that's the note he chose to end it on. Essentially, I think what the show was doing with its final arc, in retrospect, was saying that all the proper lessons – all those often wildly outside-the-box morals and twists on common themes I loved so much throughout the year – were done already, and the final stretch was simply a chance to sum up that fundamental point of how cool it was to spend time with this group over the past 40+ episodes. And they are really cool people who really are worth looking up to! As friends, they were endlessly supportive of one another, and find such joy in each other's company that they often devolve in just like, making noise at things like Kakihara dragging Juuru away at the end here. Sentai's far from short on teams with tight bonds, of course, but the Kiramagers have such a particular vibe to them and I don't think I've seen it elsewhere. And as allies in battle, they're brave and daring and clever and skilled and, again, all sorts of things you could say about most Sentai teams too, but Kiramager always knew how to make it work for all it was worth. That's all true of this final showdown with Emperor Yodon, too. Straightforward and familiar in concept, but delightful in its execution, demonstrating every facet of these characters it can, with tried-and-true classics ranging from Tametomo being the one to make up the plan, because he's good at those, to Shiguru visibly being the most emotional when it's all over, because he's only cool when he actively remembers to act cool. Yodon's a real nobody when all is said and done, even with some last-minute backstory, sure, but for what this finale is really about, that's only natural. I mean, we aren't here to watch him, are we? While it's not a finale that does everything I would've liked to see, it's also one that does nothing I didn't like, and it still payed decent tribute to the whole art angle where it could. Crunchula seemingly teaching a painting class in the epilogue was great, as was saying that Juuru's mystical connection with Oradin and Garza was a coincidental result of their shared passions and basically nothing else, which, once again, probably looks like lazy writing at a glance, but is secretly extremely considered! It's a good episode of a great show. I'm honestly not sure where Kiramager would land on a Top However-many list of Sentai for me. Partially because I'm terrible at making those, but mostly because, as strange as it is to say, it's never been... actually, hang on, I don't even know how to put this in a way that makes any sense. Obviously I feel a pretty huge degree of personal connection to it, but it's more specific than that. Go-Busters is my favorite toku show because of how much it means to me, but Kiramager is a toku show I look at and just really want it to mean a lot to everyone, and I think that's why it gets me so excited. I can talk about it at such lengths so effortlessly because the idea of sharing that excitement just feels like the natural thing to do. This is a show I'm almost certainly going to be singing the praises of any time somebody asks for recommendations on a Sentai to watch, or whenever else, for that matter. It's smart, witty, action-packed, and at times quite dramatic, but more than any of that, Kiramager is nice, and I genuinely believe anybody willing to open their heart to that will be glad they did. So thank you, Kiramager, for all the great times over the past year; I'm looking forward to what the next one has in store. https://i.imgur.com/p5TGr0Y.png |
Oh boy what a finale, though not anything too out of the ordinary for Toku finales, but gosh darn, was it strangely satisfying.
When the Kiramagers did their rollcall without their helmets, it was an absolute joy to see, much like how Ryusoulger's finale had them halfway transformed as they approached their final battle and then they fully transform and the battle begins, which was really fun, I don't know why, but seeing the heroes unmasked is just something I find myself liking a little too much. Seeing Emperor Yodon bring out super mooks was also a really nice final mob to throw at the heroes for the finale. Though I kind of wish the auxiliary mashines got some spotlight, but I really liked how they used the Kanaima (Granter, or however you want to call them) Stones in the battle, instead of just leaving them for the end when they restore Crystalia. Honestly, I really enjoyed Kiramager from start to finish, though there are some things that could have been explained better. Like at the end where they discuss Jyuru's bond with Oradin and Garza, saying it was a lovely coincidence, though I understand this was to canonically preview Zenkaiger, but I don't mind it too much. Or Shadon and Yodonna's backstory, since they were sort of just brought up at the end to acknowledge how they ended up being part of Yodon's personas. But all in all, I really enjoyed this show, I'll probably do a full thoughts of the show some other time, and definitely looking forward to Zenkaiger. |
And as it is tradition in most cases, I wonder if it was the cast doing their own stunts and suit-acting the whole thing.
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All week. All week, I have been looking at the title of this thread and thinking, "You Guys Shone."
I thought this was a great episode, I thought it was lovely and heartwarming, and I honestly don't think I've enjoyed a sentai show as much as this one since Goseiger or Go-Busters, and I genuinely am sad that it is over, but happy that so much time and care was put into the finale. Having said that, the existential dread inherent in the implication that Zenkaiger only exists because of Juuru is immense. :p As with the Red King in Alice Through the Looking Glass, we should all be in fear for the next 40-odd episodes of the cast of Zenkaiger just winking out of existence should Juuru change his mind, lol. |
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I really loved that scene, by the way, but it's all on the meta level for me. Zenkaiger's writer is Junko Koumura, who apparently started working on Sentai in the first place thanks to Arakawa, so assuming that gag was his idea, I thought it was a touching little way to sorta pass the torch, as it were. I can't immediately recall any instances of a Sentai show setting up the next this way, so I get the feeling that moment might not have happened if it weren't these two writers specifically. |
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However... https://i.imgur.com/CykfEq4.jpg |
Well the episode mostly didn't let me down although part of me did want Yodonna to live and turn good/human so her and Tametomo could get together :p but it is a show I will miss and that is mostly down to the cast of the main 6. I am still a little bit cautious about will Zenkaiger be as good as Gokaiger even though I feel a bit better about it now but I will watch regardless!
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I thought it was pretty cool how each of the 4 Granterstones played an important role in the defeat of Emperor Yodon. The tragic backstory of Garza being brainwashed all along and a creative just like Juru seemed like it was Yokote writing again so kudos to Arakawa for that. Not sure how his head turned from blue diamond to onyx/obsidian though, is that some kind of mutation that can happen with Crystalian people as they grow up? Most of the Crystalians on Atamald were also blue diamond types but Oradin doesn't seem to bring it up. I would've liked more than 45 episodes but hey, VS Ryusoulger exists now so that's an awesome consolation. My favorite episode is still 37 cause I think Sena just has a lot of the best episodes and that one was the most inspirational and relatable to me. Looking forward to Zenkaiger. Komura hasn't let me down yet! |
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