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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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05-24-2022, 04:56 PM
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Fish Sandwich
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade - "7 ZI-OS")
I
really
didn't enjoy this one. I mean, you only need to click that link to find out, but yeah, I didn't like it, and worse, I liked it so little I felt completely okay just tearing into it and even now, I don't think I said anything that was uncalled for. The only things I really strongly like from this whole project are all the things
except
the series themselves. Complete Form 21 is brilliant. Inside-Out is a great song and I love that we got versions emphasizing both Decade's Latin sound and Zi-O's Indian one. (<-And it is officially Indian, by the way! Probably should've looked that up
before
I got it wrong at the start of the thread.) Plus, like I said in that old post, it was legitimately neat that everyone had a second chance at grabbing a Neo DecaDriver! And it's cool that Saber got a Ride Watch! And... uh, okay, I guess I can at least bring up this follow-up post where I tried to be a little more positive:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
If I could say three nice things about this special:
- The subplot about Sougo bonding with that kid was absolutely the best part, and exactly what I was talking about when I said Inoue writes a solid enough Sougo. He's a guy all about going with the flow, and can be surprisingly sensitive and understanding because of that. Kurona's last post right above directly contradicts this, but a lot of my favorite moments from Sougo in the show were just him being a super chill, caring friend, and this was a microcosm of that. He's like a more perky Yuusuke/less smothering Gentarou, and I love that about him.
- I remember reading a random YouTube comment when this thing first got announced and we saw pictures of the Saber Decade Armor that went something like "I'm just glad to know the Heisaber's doing okay", and whenever I start feeling like this special was without purpose, I think of those words and feel like it was all worth it.
- I kinda dig Tsukuyomi's surprisingly healthy post-series career as a Kamen Rider? Like, for all the jokes that can be cracked about her role in the last two episodes, they're keep putting her in stuff as just one of the gang now, and it's a nice feeling. Not bad for a character I'm pretty sure I described as a plank of wood on at least one occasion!
So these things weren't totally devoid of merit, by any stretch, but in a way that just makes it all the more frustrating they couldn't build that into something that felt cohesive and worthwhile? I don't even have a problem with Inoue doing some completely random nonsense, but I need to feel like he's got a story he really wanted to tell, and this didn't feel like that at all. These things came out recently enough that I've been waiting ever since I watched them to see what Die would have to say, considering his whole deal with Inoue. Like, if
anybody
could draw out some hidden deeper meaning to the story here, it'd be him, right? But uh, yeah, I guess "straight downward slope, but a fun one" is about as good as I could've realistically hoped for.
There's a thing I've said about Inoue's writing a bunch, and it's that I think he always does best with casts he creates himself. Let me put it this way:
With one episode of Donbrothers, Inoue took characters I've never met and made me fall in love with them and their story within 24 minutes.
With Decade/Zi-O VS Zi-O/Decade, he took characters I've already loved for years and made me feel completely apathetic towards the story they were in.
But -- and I'm sure Die knows this better than anyone -- I suppose being on that rollercoaster is just the fate of those who call themselves Inoue fans. Or something.
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Sh Ranger
For anybody curious, here's all the Sougos I've counted, in chronological order:
SOUGO
Oma Sougo
Our/True Sougo
3 Days Ago Sougo
Dark Sougo
New Sougo (A)
Basketball Sougo
Hipster Sougo (B)
Prep Sougo (C)
Delinquent Sougo (D)
Teddy Sougo (E)
Coward Sougo (F)
Total: 12
I'll just refer everyone back to the comment I made when Mirror Sougo (that's "Dark Sougo" on your list, I think?) showed up.
It's more relevant in 2022 than it was back in 2019!
EDIT: Oh, but speaking of alternate Sougos -- I do genuinely love Teddy Bear Sougo! It's a lot harder (but not impossible) to stay mad at Zi-O VS Decade whenever I remember Teddy Bear Sougo!
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