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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kabuto
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12-06-2020, 03:27 PM
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DreadBringer
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Kamen Rider Die
They do, but I still don't think Tendou's an asshole. He's a jerk, maybe, and insufferable, frequently, but he's also not
malicious
, which is a core component of what I think an asshole is.
Jerk is a... synonym for asshole anyway? I think, villain is the term you're looking for those outright on malicious territory anyway. And jerk =/= evil; most of jerks/assholes are neutral characters/people or less noble good guys for those doing hero activities, although most villains (those that are outright malicious) are jerks to some degree. It's like the analogy where all lions (villains) are mammals (jerks), but not all mammals (jerks) are lions (villains).
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Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 03
I think this is the first episode to really come together for me. It helps that it’s a fairly light done-in-one mystery, but the big advantage is that it goes all in on Kagami and Tendou as a crime-fighting partnership.
Kagami is the one still having conscience and awareness, having concern to the surroundings in the plan to uncover the Worm disguise. While Tendou is the pragmatic one with him being dead set to the mission with smaller regard to the others (though he'll still save others if given clear chance). With Kabuto being Kabuto, Tendou's plan will of course work nearly flawlessly and be rewarded for it, while the show that embraces the Rider sensibility more will likely to criticize that approach (as Tendou's type of character will be more likely a secondary Rider).
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Kamen Rider Die
It’s a pretty fun story, despite only really having a couple moves. (Boy, if you don’t immediately figure out that the Yuki who doesn’t talk to anyone and runs away is actually the real Yuki and not the Worm… well, you’re probably not a grown adult and thus more likely to be in this show’s actual demographic and hi welcome to how weird adults can be about the shows that are made for you.) Yuki’s on the run, and Yuki’s in prison. Misaki and Kagami are tasked with determining which is the Worm and eliminating it, which leads to Tendou, the law of Conservation of Energy made flesh, just putting the two Yukis in one space to see which one murders the other. It’s not a terribly complex setup, which is appropriate for an episode that actually spends more time making a case for itself tonally than the introductory story did!
Like, there’s some backstory stuff here (Kagami recaps some details about Shibuya and ZECT, but mostly he’s foreshadowing his But Why Heroism story), but the main thing we get in this episode is wall-to-wall Kagami and Tendou, and
A THOUSAND PERCENT
YES
.
Another one of Tendou's ability is his uncanny ability to figure out Worm disguises. And disguise ability can be arguably more dangerous than monster's superhuman prowess as shown here, where the Worm Yuki which acted with more distress is convincing enough for Tendou to break free, and if she hadn't revealed her disguise, she'll probably wander somewhere and continue preying as Worm unprovoked. Or probably Tendou did actually know, and he broke her out so that he can fight her off and destroy her.
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Kamen Rider Die
I mean, that whole prison break scene! It’s Kagami flustered and terrified of getting in trouble, while Tendou’s just calmly walking through the police station, living the creed that
Being In Trouble Is A Fake Idea
. Tendou could not care less about the laws of man, and Kagami is trapped in this conundrum of Definitely Illegal But Getting Results. It’s this ridiculous combination of men that somehow, inexplicably, succeed.
It’s incredibly charming, and I haven’t even talked about the
aces
action involved in it. Tendou takes out a squadron of cops by using their movements against them, letting their anger and confusion eliminate them as obstacles in Tendou’s path. It’s thrilling and comedic in equal measures, highlighting how supremely chill Tendou is as he takes what wants. It’s, easily, the best action sequence this show has had yet, and it doesn't involve a single rubber suit.
And then they end it with not one but TWO defining Kabuto moments. The first is that Tendou
100% leaves Kagami inside the police station
, and then seems slightly amused that Kagami couldn’t escape a half-dozen cop dogpile quicker. (Which, how
did
Kagami get out? Is he actually that good?) It’s maybe Tendou having faith that Kagami could extricate himself on his own (and he could!), but I feel like it’s not some small part Tendou sort of forgetting to take Kagami with him? I don’t think he
forgot
forgot, but Is Kagami Going To Be Okay was probably pretty far down Tendou’s decision-making matrix.
And the prison break scene also gives a clear view of Tendou's morality; he's like a secondary Rider as a main Rider, he's a clear anti-hero type of Rider. Tendou is dead set on the mission to break the supposed Yuki free, and he ignores Kagami's insistence that his plan may cause a harm to others, plus, while there's no actual harm here, his attitude of just picking fights with the police and law shows a part of him being morally ambiguous, not to mention him doing all of this with the motivation of getting his little sister the deserved food. This is similar to the part in Blade where Hajime fought Undeads with little regard to the customers at the restaurant, contrasting with Kenzaki's insistence of protecting others. And this brings to what anti-hero means; a hero that has more unheroic qualities than traditional heroes. As it says, they're heroes; it means that they should perform heroic actions/deeds, which fighting monsters will quality as it saves others from them, so actual heroic actions, not merely motivations like those extremists that claims to do something for the greater good (that's anti-villains instead), but the unheroic quality they have refers about how their main concern is about beating the enemy, or that they have personal agenda, etc.
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Kamen Rider Die
A QUESTION
While the good/bad split setup isn’t sticking around (too confining!), I do still want to keep asking questions for these episodes. The heart of this episode, for me at least, was the mismatched buddy cop dynamic of Tendou and Kagami. There are bunches of other Rider shows with a great core duo (OOO, obviously, but also Build, W, Ryuki, and more); but we’ve also seen plenty of shows with a more ensemble cast (Ex-Aid, Fourze, Drive). My question to you is
which type of setup do you prefer, all else being equal: a core duo or a broader ensemble?
Well, probably I'd prefer a core duo, I'm not into everyone in the cast being ensembled like Sentai or something (no offense), but it's not the end of the world to me if it happens.
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Kurona
I definitely used to be a Kabuto hater! Well... maybe not 'definitely', I eventually realised it was just "dislike", and very recently it backed down to "I just kinda don't care about it aside from [SPOILERS] and [SPOILERS]".
In my experience it very much stems from Tendou -- fittingly for who inspired him, he's a character you either love or you hate; and for me I just really don't like him -- following on from that, yeah, the people who do hate Kabuto will more than likely cite Tendou as their first reason. Does his personality toe the line between obnoxious and likable enough for you to enjoy him? Does he overstep that line and just become an unshakeably unlikeable asshole in your eyes? Honestly, I'm kinda stunned to have found out Inoue inspired him because writing that out it's amazing how much I'm echoing similar sentiments said about 555.
Fun fact: among those who dislike Tendou as a character? ...
Tendou's actor
. Don't quote me on this but I think he's actually turned down re-appearances as Tendou for that reason. From what I hear he'd be up for it these days if he wasn't busy with his career in America, but back in the day he did not like this character!
Well, "does his personality toe the line between obnoxious and likable enough" tell me when did Die dislike a character for being an asshole actually? And speaking for Tendou, for my country actually, he's probably the one Rider that has absolutely no haters, due to him being all-powerful and accompanied with confidence. And unfortunately they bash other Rider leads due to not being a smug super like him... (except Yusuke)
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