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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Den-O
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04-22-2021, 11:39 PM
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I also somewhat feel guilt for that crossed out joke and spacing out (especially that I got actually ostracized for it, been dealing with my self-esteem for this place for a while), though the "joke" intended to give tolerance for something wrong. But now I'm going again, sorry if this is to everyone's dismay.
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 49 - “THE CLIMAX GOES ON, NO MATTER WHAT”
The plot machinations, the Time Nonsense, it’s whatever. I’ll talk more about its strengths and weaknesses tomorrow in the Series Wrap-Up post (which feels like it’s going to be massive; lot of topics to cover), but for this episode, it existed mostly to be a thing to defeat. Like most of the junction point stuff, the Hana reveal is one that feels right while falling apart the second you try and explain it. She’s the safety net that keeps Kai from winning long enough for the heroes to defeat him. It’s difficult to parse and full of underexplained elements (there was a timeline once where Hana was raised by her parents but Sakurai erased her memory of it, I guess?), and it all shows up way later than you’d like, but it’s fine. It’s just there to allow for a victory condition. It’s not the point of any of this.
The point is about friendship, and memories, and how even when a TV show ends, it gets to live on forever in our memories.
Friendship and memories, in counteract against someone like Kai who cannot comprehend goodness, shrugs off the concept of friendship and doing something for others, and while he had many underlings, he keeps them only via threats and violence and that'd likely create infighting and competition between the Imagins, and that's the thing which hinders the progress of the heroes as well, the infigthing between the Taros Imagins. And yeah, the reveal is here, Hana is the child of Airi and Yuuto Sakurai, so for all this time, Hana is protecting her uncle Ryotaro, and Yuuto was Hana's father. Kai was misled that he thought the Junction Point was Sakurai, and then he approaches Airi, but it turns out to be Hana, and it's already too late for Kai.
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The second half of this episode was probably the absolute best way this show was ever going to end. It’s not my favorite series ending or anything (Faiz or Blade, maybe Fourze?), but it’s the best version of this show’s unflinching sadness and boundless optimism.
Having the Imagin just
disappear
after Kai’s defeated is heartbreaking. No tearful goodbyes or supportive morals, they’re just gone. It’s impossible not to feel shocked by that, to not have that visceral stab of loss push you to tears. All these characters you spent a series with, and that’s it. Gone. Ryotaro’s grief was just a mirror of what I was going through. Like Yuuto, I’d’ve eaten a thousand bowls of (gross) mushrooms to honor Deneb’s passing. It’s incredibly effective as tragedy.
Well, if you refer to only the Imagins that is accompanying Ryotaro, as I've used before, they're refered as "Taros Imagins". I dunno which one do you refer here, only the Taros or just the Imagin as a whole. The Imagins (other than Taros) just disappearing, though dunno if it's right to celebrate this moment as a triumph, but it's the world finally being free from the threats of Imagins, with them disappearing. It's the no monsters left anymore some Rider stuffs have.
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And then the reveal that, no, of course all of these heroic imagination monsters from the end of time aren’t gone. They wanted to wait a beat, then surprise their friends, but now the moment has gone on a little long and oh no they are crying really hard and it feels bad and uh oh this joke is going to feel a little cruel now and uh he’s still crying and now Hana’s crying too and Sieg’s realizing that Ryotaro didn’t even mourn him like the rest and they’re all being a little too loud and the jig is definitely up because Ryotaro is looking this way hi I’ve arrived ha ha
whoops
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And you let this one get free pass...? Kobayashi stuff here still applies that the Imagin's origins are never explained. And for myself, about the Taros Imagin actually surviving? Didn't understand that either and seemingly not explained. And dunno if OOO had her skipping it, Kobayashi had proper worldbuilding in OOO.
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The whole point of this series is that even when things end, as they inevitably do, they never really end as long as we remember them. It’s a lesson that’s important for kids, who are going to gain and lose friends rapidly over their adolescence, but it’s one we could all stand to consider more often. Our memories are our strength, and they testify to our convictions. People change and grow, but there’s a part of all of those relationships that we’ll carry around forever. It’s not a loss when someone’s not around, because they’re always around as long as we remember them. The past should always give us strength, you know?
Because talking about lesson would apply in real life too, just a reminder that most people don't go through dramatic changes in their life all of the time. Otherwise, I've seen a media where a threat to the memory can be weakening and demoralizing to someone, where losing memories bit by bit would break them down even further. Though it depends about someone not being around. It's alright if it's just them not being in the same place, but it's to me painful if them not being around is caused by them betraying you big time, all the memories about previous relationship are just fake, and like you said it testifies convictions, like trusting no one from that.
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-There’s a moment where Kai just does a two-second scream of frustration, out of nowhere, and it’s a great piece of acting. It’s not a huge close-up or a dramatic wide-shot. He’s just got this scream of frustration in him that he needs to get out, and it really helped center him in one of his final scenes.
Kai is already insane to begin with, and his right hand Imagin notes that he's getting worse over time and he reached his breaking point for his failure in his plans here. Kai got desperate to use a dangerous technique of his to create Death Imagin an an army of Mole Imagin from all his remaining memories and it ultimately results in him ceasing to exist when Death is killed.
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-The Death Imagin wasn’t even really a character, but I liked the visual of everyone sharing a finisher on him. It’s teamwork, and friendship, and everyone winning the day together. Pretty much how the final move in Den-O should go.
Yes, the final fight is choreographed rather well in my standards. All the Imagins getting a turn to show off their powers, either as Den-O or as themselves, like Kintaros' smash with a huge concrete piece, or Den-O Rod Form's long range. The final finisher on Death Imagin, that's in Sword Form, but it has the rainbow energy the Climax Form has... so that would put it on Climax Form level?
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