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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kabuto
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01-22-2021, 11:52 AM
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Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 41
So, yeah, I was mostly just okay with this episode. There’s some big parts I liked (Kagami’s Very Big Feeling of betrayal) and some small parts I liked (Tsurugi as SwordHopper seems like a fun lark), but overall I just found the whole thing a little tedious.
Brags so much that Tsurugi forgot that he was actually demeaning himself. What's the good about having a negative and undesirable trait like recklessness to boast?
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I still have no idea what the deal is with the conflict between the Worms, the Natives, and humanity, despite several expository scenes. (Boy, the director did not feel like rescuing those scenes
at all
.) For as much nuance as previous stories have tried to give through characters like Hiyori, Reina, and Tsurugi, everything here just boils down to Good Monsters and Bad Monsters and Humans Who Are Forced To Work With The Good Monsters I Guess. There’s no sense of plan yet for the Worms (I guess they’re replacing everyone in the world? For some reason? To just keep working jobs or something?), and the conflict with ZECT went from this Cold War of minor aggressions into full-blown warfare, and it all feels so
abrupt
. It feels plot-driven, not character-driven, which is one of the reasons I feel so ambivalent about this episode. Stuff happens to and around the characters, and it doesn’t really feel like they’ve got much agency in this one?
At this point I still had no idea too, what I'm confused was that, why the later Worms are more evil like usual MOTW? While the Natives are more like usual humans with varying morality, from the pacifistic Daigo, to the anxious Hiyori, to the barbaric Kusakabe parents. For you questioning about Worm's plans, you didn't for usual MOTW? Even for a series where major monster characters are more nuanced like Phase 2, a good number of the MOTW on those series are the same.
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My favorite exchange in the episode is a really quick Tendou/Kagami one, and I think it gets to the heart of how those two see the world differently.
Tendou is the self-proclaimed center of the world, so constantly taking advantages of manipulations is a way of him doing that, also using other's wishes to also get what he wants, to keep climbing to the top? So then how about previously regarding something like ep. 32, keeping secret is just his character right? With Tendou mindset here, to just be focused on mission and use the truth to their advantage, this also brings back to the part where Tendou views emotions as weakness (it's not and this is common misconception about the audience I've ranted about, emotions also can play a part in "wanting something"), and for narcissist like him, the proof will be only when he makes rash decisions based on Hiyori or Juka. Kagami thinking that it needs a reason to achieve something, that also can relate to follow things that are related to passion, to know what are you doing and feel meaningful of it. What Kagami wants is to, protect humanity from Worms right? He had done some parts of it as Gatack, killing off some Worms, but this is about what he did only helping Natives.. another kind of Worm right? But he had found non-malicious Natives like Hiyori and Daigo...
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And, like, that’s not
automatically
disqualifying, despite my personal preference for something that draws from the characters and relationships. This episode gets some juice from Kagami finding out that both his dad, the returning Kagami Outrageous, and Tadokoro, his work dad, have been lying to him for years. Kagami has always drawn his confidence from his ability to follow his heart, to do what he thinks is right, so it is devastating to him to find out that Everything Has Proceeded According To His Dad’s Design, and that Tadokoro has let him be in the dark for so long. It makes Kagami feel like a pawn, and that’s a thing he can’t abide by.
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It’s a fun idea, seeing how a dispirited and disillusioned Kagami processes his betrayal, but a lot of the execution is him sort of acting like a baby? I’m not saying he’s wrong to feel upset at someone like Tadokoro, or especially at Outrageous, but what’s presented is him basically throwing tantrums, and it wears a
little
thin. It’s like, I was on Kagami’s side! And then by his final scene, I said out loud, “Quit being such a baby.” I don’t usually talk to these episodes! But that performance really brought it out of me!
I mean what should Kagami do previously if this makes him feel like a pawn? And Kagami at the end, it seems that his vengeful side against the Worms is the one returning? Previously, he points out that Natives are Worms for their contract with ZECT, and also, he here seems to be unable to accept the others being Worm even if Tadokoro didn't act anything suspicious other than him acting like a drone to ZECT (which as some others said here, gives it more sense about ZECT being up to no good), that's my question here about Kagami, here him cannot accepting any Worms at all, which is his reaction to Tadokoro, also differing from Hiyori before. I think Kagami just suddenly changes here, or this being the true side of him while he can also occassionally show Worms mercy.. Sorry no offense but, I want to know if, for ep. 15 you talk about this part of Kagami as Inoue sthick, but for here you consider him being a baby?
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But then we have Tsurugi’s plot, and that one is a roller coaster. It starts with a Tsurugi/Misaki plot that dials back what I loved about 40 into what I grudgingly tolerated from 39. Kagami immediately tells Tsurugi that Misaki was never actually his girlfriend, they were tricking him, and Tsurugi views that betrayal as a test of character from his best friend and crush. It’s sort of adorable, how quickly he forgives two people that were lying to his face. Unfortunately, that clears the path for Tsurugi to start pursuing Misaki again, a thing I was very much not looking forward to. It’s a creepy couple scenes that get nipped in the bud (thankfully) as Misaki outright tells Tsurugi that they are never going to happen. It’s a level of bluntness that I really appreciated, even if I wish the show had done it from the jump.
Of course lies won't last forever and sooner or later it'll be uncovered, and by the time it does, things'll revert back to what once it was (or not if every party was hurt, but not Tsurugi here to Kagami or Misaki). In this case, Kagami and Misaki lying about being couple. If you want to convince others about it, you have to truly act it out, which is no different than becoming actual couple. It being made up of lies, it's quickly revealed here that they're just setting him up, and of course if Misaki isn't owned by anyone then Tsurugi reverts to his skirt-chasing ways. This is probably yeah, creepy (though I still wonder why there are previous cases of this you accept), but this is inevitable and I saw this coming right away. Actually I'd still prefer the scene where Misaki calls out Tsurugi's bad behavior before rather than this one (l̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶o̶p̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶r̶a̶c̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶?̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶t̶a̶s̶t̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶c̶e̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶u̶n̶i̶t̶y̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶o̶p̶e̶r̶a̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶!̶), it's a rejection and also a potential room for improvement (I still have an unanswered question to you regarding that). He later gets a room for improvement though to a relief of the creepy chasing, but not coming from the crush itself.
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What follows is a concept that is so good, so
the kind of thing I’d joke about because I’d want it too much to ever think it could be real
, that I can scarcely believe it really happened. Tsurugi, the man who now stands at the top of depression, is adopted by the Hoppers, two men who stand at the bottom of happiness. Everything about that is… like, forget all of this ZECT/Worm/Native whatever nonsense. Pointless. Irrelevant.
This
is my endgame. KickPunchSwordHopper is my grand finale. I cannot give two shits about Worm Widower kicking Hyper Kabuto out of his Hyper Cast Off, because literally the only thing I can anticipate from this episode is What Happens Next With The Hoppers. That’s it. Only plotline that matters now!
Reiji Nogi, the Cassis Worm, is a new Executive and yeah, he replaces Reina, but he focuses on the power part of the Executive and lives up to it where he was able to fight while in human form, beating Gatack even. And for Kagami not using Clock Up, yeah my pet peeve about Rider fights is when they don't utilize their powers well, but for this time, Cassis can outright stop time (I never hear about him in any Rider discussion about speed/stopping time, even for Cronus comparison it was Clock Up or Slowdown was used), moving at any speed is useless when time is stopped. Also continuing from above, anyone is on board with you for the characters like Tsurugi shit being endgame, but don't tell me if you appreciate what Misaki said above... you'll also do the same like her to those who follows about the plot side of Kabuto here.
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A QUESTION
Tadokoro’s big reveal here was both surprising, and something I sort of didn’t care about. I have some vague questions I’m not sure if the show plans on answering (Is Tadokoro’s entire family Natives? Did he kill the real Tadokoro at some point and take his place?), but it didn’t really make me reconsider Tadokoro as a character or anything. It did make me wonder if I’d missed a ton of clues along the way, so I’m curious if y’all were as surprised as I was when you watched this episode.
When did you figure out Tadokoro was a Native?
I spoiled myself..
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