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10-10-2020, 07:58 PM
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You're welcome to disagree. It wouldn't be an unpopular opinion otherwise.
Absolutely! And don't take this as me trying to say you are wrong or as an attempt to change your opinion. I just find Gaim to be a very interesting show to discuss because there's so many different plot elements and moving pieces going on that everybody really has their own feelings about it.
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See, the stuff with Kaito's abusive father and the death of his mother is exactly the kind of backstory that should've been in the show, before he declared his intent to destroy humanity. Regardless of his noble intentions, the end doesn't justify the means. Making a better world isn't worth sacrificing all the innocent lives as well and I was hoping that all his experience up to that point would have led him to that conclusion.
I agree, I would have liked to see it fleshed out more in the show proper. I think they touched upon it a little bit at the beginning of the series, but it definitely should have been the focus of at least one full episode.
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Kouta's and Kaito's showdown seemed inevitable but it shouldn't have been the final battle. Kaito wasn't given a chance to redeem himself, like Kiba was. They could have teamed up to destroy Mitsuzane, as Takumi and Kiba did against the King. It's a shame for Kaito to have his philosophy challenged so many times only for him to become the final villain anyway. It's just not very consistent. Destroying humanity was Horobi's goal from the start and it was clear he was starting to doubt himself and lose faith in his philosophy. That's how I believe such an arc should be executed, with an antivillain reforming himself as hero.
But see, that's the very reason I like Gaim so much! In your typical Rider series, the secondary Rider joins the hero's side and whatever conflict previously existed between them shifts over to the Tertiary Riders of the series until they too join the "good" side.
But here, Kaito stands by his beliefs and there remains tension between him and Kouta up until the very end. He doesn't necessarily get a redemption arc, but I really don't think he needed one. His heart was ultimately in the right place, but he was so bitter and jaded from what happened to him that he truly felt the only way to create a world free of the oppression that tore his family apart was to destroy what came before. Kouta, on the other hand, learned how to use his powers to save the world that already existed and that came from his growth throughout the series, on top of having strong moral guidance from his sister.
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That's not really the take I had at all. I think Mitsuzane is the most depraved character in KR and I cannot forgive him for all those terrible things he did to people who cared about him. You're right that his goals remain the same though. He's driven by greed and lust, pretending to be affable, manipulating his brother and "friends" to get whatever the hell he wants.
And that's a valid take. That's why I like Mitsuzane as a villain so much. Some people see him as totally irredeemable. Others see him as a kid who got way in over his head and didn't have the emotional maturity or the moral guidance to deal with it in a healthy manner. He's a character that's extremely possessive of what's important to him, believes that he's the only one truly aware of what's going on (even though he ironically gets manipulated by just about every villain in the series) and that's what caused him to take the direction he took throughout the series.
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He has no redeeming qualities. The only reason the show redeemed him was cause the show needed him to and his sudden heroism in the finale, which was written by Haganeya, was OOC since he had nothing to gain, no incentive to start being a "good guy".
I have to disagree here as well. A character without redeeming qualities to me is someone like Kamen Rider Ouja or Gold Drive, characters who thrive off of their ability to cause pain and suffering and have no shame about it. Mitsuzane, on the other hand, genuinely wants to be a hero, but much like Kamen Rider Tiger, has a completely backwards take on what heroism is.
Mitsuzane has
always
wanted to be a hero. Nearly every dirty deed he committed throughout the series was what he saw to be a heroic action. Killing Kouta was a move he decided to make because he believed Kouta would get everybody killed by giving them false hope. Siding with the Overlords was a move he made because he saw humanity's fight against them as futile, and believed serving them was the best way to protect lives (but he mostly only cared about Mai at this point). It's even apparent in his fight against Takatora, where he draws the
completely
wrong conclusion from Takatora's speech about nobless oblige, but nonetheless still believes he's acting heroically.
But all of those actions left him with nothing. His friends, Kouta, Mai and Takatora were all gone. The control he tried to maintain throughout the series gradually slipped away from him as he drove more people out of his life. He had to face the consequences of his actions harder than every other single character in the show. And even after everyone forgave him, he couldn't forgive himself for all the damage he caused.
Then Kouta, who he's always looked up to, gave him the words of encouragement he needed to finally strive towards becoming the hero he always wanted to be, but now having learned from his mistakes and growing from them.
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