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TokuNation watches Kamen Rider Decade
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10-21-2021, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
GrandComplete
Kenzaki Kaumza the man who fights because he loves everybody, who wouldn't sacrifice his best friend to stop the end of the world. Now in Decade is a cold sociopath who goes straight for the kill on Tsukasa. Slowly turning his friends against him all while having a deadpan expression on his face. Just wow I don't have anything that can convey how messed up this all is.
I'm not gonna go back and check, but I'm pretty sure I was one of the only people defending Wataru's appearance in Episode 1. I liked it for the way it used a recognizable Rider -- dude was literally the main Kamen Rider a week earlier! -- as a way of communicating what Kamen Riders As A Concept were passing down to Tsukasa. It sort of
needed
to be the previous Rider, for that metaphorical baton-passing to work. I was okay with it. I didn't really see it as Wataru.
Here, it's like the show wants to have its Guest Star cake and eat it, too. There's almost no way it can be the Kenzaki we knew in the Blade TV series (him being on Rider War World means that his Earth is now getting destroyed by the Sealing Stone; more importantly, he's just massively out of character and a huge dick), but the show clearly is using the actor to get you to go REAL BLADE and connect the dots between Blade's ending and Decade's. It's making connections and ruining connections simultaneously, and it's way harder to defend.
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Originally Posted by
Androzani84
While the finale isn’t much in terms of quality beyond Decade Complete Diend (I literally forgot the Legends of Evil were revived until I rewatched it), I can say that the story of what happened next behind the scenes is very interesting. They had a plot set up, actors booked and costumes made… then Toei saw that W was planning to do their own movie releasing on the same day and decided to merge them into one release, despite their incompatible plots. The Decade half had to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch, though still using the same cast and costumes.
Hilarious! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by
Enchilada645
Man it was absolutely wild, watching the re-aired versions and then the original versions with the nonsensical Decade Final Movie trailer attached to it.
I mentioned this to Zatyme on Discord, but I saw the Decade movie when I was watching W for the first time, and nothing from that "trailer" looked familiar to me. I was like,
how did I forget this much of the movie?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
The OG Heisei Riders are such bullies to Tsukasa. Like how World of Negatives Otoya wasn't really Otoya, I'm convinced these guys aren't themselves either. I can't speak for Blade, but there's no way Wataru would oppose someone who fights for co-existence. No way!
It is incredibly weird for a series whose mandate seemed to be Celebrate Heisei, to then spend the last few minutes of their finale making the Heisei Riders seem like homicidal creeps.
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Sh Ranger
I also enjoyed the Negatives and Shinkenger arcs for how they developed Tsukasa and Natsumi. While I dislike the Worlds of Black and RX more, I think the most negligible in terms of plot advancement would be the World of Diend. But I know there's probably a few people who would disagree with that, so I'm just speaking hypothetically. Nothing really needed to be cut to make this final arc work, it just needed to be focusing on the show, not what comes after. That's where this story fails.
Yeah, it... they honestly didn't even need to do a lot in this final story? They didn't exactly have a convoluted series of plot points like Den-O, or some impossible scenario like Blade. With Dai-Shocker's introduction, you even have a villain who can be cathartically defeated by Team Decade And Friends! They'd done most of the heavy lifting to square away the various character relationships by Episode 29, you only have to close out the Disappearing Worlds stuff. Two episodes should be plenty!
Why did they work so hard to avoid actually ending their story?!
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Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
I respect that we disagree about shipping in this show, but you're at least joking about the "they can all go straight to hell" part, right? Natsumikan, Yuusuke, Kivaala and Eijirou are still good characters.
Yeah, just jokes. I really did like the cast for this series. They deserved better!
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Originally Posted by
Daikaijuman54
And for real though, the Apollo Geist plot was just
sooo dumb
, it would have been better to make him just flat out take Natsumi and her grandfather hostage and declare he's making a public execution or something, because gosh darn, it's like he didn't want to waste the cake, so he was willing nab any young maiden off the street. Heck, I thought Narutaki pleading for the heroes to defeat Dai-Shocker would have made a great turning point in the show and his character,
buuut...
I sort of enjoyed Apollo Geist's role in this story? He just wants his powers back and to be a big theatrical villain. Dude's motivation is
super-clear
, which is something that's in short supply for this two-parter. Once he got his powers back (via Fangire Wedding, which is a really smart decision in the script), he really wanted to kill Decade, so he kidnapped Natsumi and creepily threatened to marry her after killing her friends. It's... like, it's INSANE, but it's
legibly
insane. Everything he does feels like the decision-making process of a Showa villain. Not really any complaints about Apollo Geist in this one from me.
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