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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kiva
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06-26-2021, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
FreshToku
On the other hand, I can totally believe that Mio would be genuinely ecstatic at the thought of Taiga, in her view the currently direct source of all her problems, getting smited by Wataru, the boy she truly loves. It'd be like something out of a fairy tale, happily-ever-after and all. For her, anyway.
Fratricide
does
show up in a bunch of fairy tales, so, uh, maybe!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
FreshToku
Wataru can't catch a break! Getting everyone to get along would be quite the feat considering I don't think he could get literally any combination of two characters on this show to get along.
There is something charmingly oblivious about Wataru learning he's a Fangire and then
the next day
going Not All Fangires and assuming multiple warring societies would buy into that opinion. Like, in a year, Wataru has met maybe three Fangires that don't want to kill humans, and two of them got detonated for trying to kill humans. (The third is Taiga, who
definitely
wants to kill humans, it's just that Wataru didn't know that.) Shima has dedicated over two decades of his life to protecting humanity from Fangires. Why did Wataru think a sheepish grin and some self-acceptance was going to be the solution to this war?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Actually, I'm not too keen on the Rider team up here, Saga only did a watered-down version of his finisher, which is just using long range mode of his rapier!
Sure, it's not the flashiest or best team-up, but it's nice to see Kiva and Saga teaming up for the first time to protect their mom.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Still I wanna ask here, as Kengo's asshole behavior is celebrated here against another male (Nago), what'll make Kengo horrifying for his treatment to another men? As before you noted about Kengo being monumental creep for his behavior to Mio.
Oh, I wouldn't say that finding this part of the episode funny is
celebrating
Kengo's behavior. Honestly, it's Nago's performance that makes everything work, while Kengo is just the cruel straight-man. Kengo's still a jerk, it's just that Nago's wackiness makes it all easier to watch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
Yeah I noticed you once referred to Wataru as a Fangire sometime after the Time Door arc, so I figured you were taking that fact for granted after processing the new information about Wataru inheriting Nago's Lucky Button from Maya and Taiga being Maya's first son.
I did? Huh! Yeah, I've had Wataru Is A Half-Fangire in the back of my head basically since Maya showed up, since it felt sort of inevitable that she was going to be Wataru's mom. I've tried not to drop stuff like that in, but I guess I slipped up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
As for who took care of kid Wataru after Maya abandoned him for his own protection, since he's living proof of forbidden love between human and Fangire, I think Kivat raised him on his own as an adoptive father until Shizuka became old enough to take the mother role. Considering how Kivat is an adult who knows a lot of interesting facts about violins and art, that might be how Wataru got most of his education. Your math checks out though!
Weirdly, I think I could totally buy Kivat raising Wataru if it were happening right now. There're so many delivery apps and online portals and whatnot that a neck-obsessed Henshin device -slash- surrogate father could probably handle raising a small boy.
In 199X, though? Eeesh, not so sure. Who is buying food? Or fixing water pipes? Or paying property taxes? Or filling out a census? I feel like there needs to be one grown adult to be involved in this kid's life.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
I dislike wine as well. I prefer other alcohol like beer and spirits.
Oh, I was more aghast at Maya being provided such a recent (and therefore pedestrian) vintage. She is deposed royalty! You need to treat her with
some
dignity. You can't buy her wine at a
gas station
or something.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
So you believe that 2008 Maya is disfigured due to her eyepatch? Well that's a common assumption. But the show never brings it up at any point so I don't think it actually implies anything. As DreadBringer mentioned above, her outfit is just strange in general. Maybe she sold her boots to pay for the eyepatch? Who knows?
Maybe she just got pink eye from sleeping in a cave? Maybe that's why she doesn't want Wataru hugging her?
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Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
Not letting yourself be defined by your affiliation with a system, or inversely, your hostility towards it, is the only way to serve the ultimate good. Wataru shouldn't have to sacrifice either of the people he cares about. He shouldn't have to choose one side of himself over the other. He values freedom, for humans, Fangires and himself. That's the future he wants to create.
Yeah, this is really one of those Wataru Is His Father's Son moments. Now that he truly understands that being a Fangire doesn't make you innately evil, he's extending his protection to
every
species that wants to live a peaceful life. It's what Otoya would do, where he was able to see past labels and orders, and just judge a person for their actions and potential. The bit in 39 where Yuri comes in and thinks she's blowing Otoya's mind with the reveal that Maya is a Fangire, and not only does he
know
, but he doesn't
care?
That's Wataru! That's his same take!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
...Okay, I can complain a
little
, though. Or rather, I definitely would've back when I first watched Kiva? I suspect I'd be more open to what it's doing in the back half now, but I distinctly recall the constantly mounting grief in this stretch taking me a bit out of the story. Not even in the sense that I thought "oh this show is BAD now", but simply that it was a bit difficult to feel properly invested in emotionally, the way I was during that second quarter where Kengo debuted. And I mean, look at where Kengo is right now. (That one stung in particular.) It's like Kiva was this charming silly show about an awkward kid making his way in the world surrounded by eccentric personalities, and by this point it's about a young man making his in a way in a world that is
actively out to crush his spirit at every turn.
I think the specific way the show approaches Wataru's despair is what makes it addictively watchable for me.
The first thing it does is avoid a lot of the normal signifiers. I love these types of scenes, but this isn't Wataru moping in a bathtub while Henshin Devices try to cheer him up. If we'd gotten Bathtub Mope into Mal d'Amour mope into Sad Montage, it would be way harder to take. We mostly don't get those scenes, though?
I mean, we sort of do, but they've all got a burst of optimism to them, which I think helps a lot. There's gravity to Wataru's confusion, but there're also new possibilities, so we're seeing him try to make some lemonade out of Final Act lemons. Even when he's trying to deal with Nago's confession that Kiva's been marked for death by W.A.K.E.U.P., he still hops on his bike and races out to stop a Fangire that's threatening his mom. There's never a shortage of energy in this episode, and I think that's what kept me from feeling suffocated by Wataru's growing isolation.
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