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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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05-17-2022, 08:49 PM
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Kamen Rider Die
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Originally Posted by
Androzani84
So fun fact: the older version of Sougo when not in the suit has been played by Seiji Taikawa, as a send off to him, as he decided to step down from being the main suit actor, in favour of it cycling through whoever gave the best audition. Though given how two out of three of Reiwa?s leads have been suit acted by Yuya Nawata (who previously suit acted Genm, Taiga as Cronus and Geiz, except for these last three episodes, with a stand-in doing 47-8 and 49 having Geiz?s actor in the suit), and how Zero-One made a big deal of casting Taikawa as the final boss so they could do a passing of the torch, it comes off as the only reason Saber had Kosuke Asai (who previously suit acted regular Cronus and a slew of Sentai Reds) was due to COVID slowing down production.
Very interesting! Thank you!
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Originally Posted by
TheRaizin
Onto Ohma ZI-O, I'm not exactly sure where it was said, but apparently back in episode 1, when Ohma ZI-O erased the people from a wave of a hand, he didn't actually kill them? He sent them somewhere safe, it just looked like they were killed. I don't know if this is real, something Shirakura said, I could've sworn I read it somewhere. Maybe it's a retcon, but I'll take it since it's this reframing of Ohma ZI-O as this tragic king who took on all the world's evil at a terrible cost and only wish for people to remember the Heisei Riders that came before him.
Yeah, there're elements that can't really be the same, since Team Zi-O doesn't really exist for Oma Zi-O, but I like the idea that Oma Zi-O's origin was similar to Sougo's: a kid who took on the mantle of King Of Time to save the world from an active apocalypse, and then became despised by the people he'd saved. He views himself as a Good Despot, because half of the world survived, but his lack of empathy (due to having no one in his life to call a friend) makes him the villain. There's a tragedy there, for sure.
It requires a little bit of squinting, though, because a) he
definitely
killed a whole bunch of people in the first episode; and b) the remains of humanity live in the Misery Fields of 2068, and that's not exactly beyond Zi-O's powers to fix. His origin might be tragic, but he's not exactly a sympathetic figure in the narrative.
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Originally Posted by
Enchilada645
I think the fun thing about the ending is that well... it's very vague on what Sougo did aside from what we see happen with his High School AU. Like we don't have specific worlds being labeled as "world of (blank)". And we don't know if certain Riders are together in them still or not. And I like how purposely vague it is because it gives a lot of flexibility going forward.
It's an ending that basically allows future writers to do whatever they want in regards to continuity moving forward since there is no strict like "one world" thing that a lot of Phase 2 was trying to imply.
Yeah, I don't know that this ending dooms Kenzaki or Takumi or whomever. No reason that Sougo couldn't make alterations to help those guys out.
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Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
However, this time in the finale was memorable as well, I thought it showed amazing acting from both Okuno and Oshida, they really sold those emotions with Geiz leaving behind his grudge against Oma Zi-O and giving his blessing to Sougo to become that man, believing he won't become the same evil demon king as the future Oma Zi-O, since this is the Sougo he knows, the one who cares about his friends and wants to become king to create a better future. Arguably, you could say that Sougo succeeded, in a very weird way....
It's a great moment! I don't love some of the middle section, but they
completely
nailed that scene between Sougo and Geiz.
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Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
Oh and I guess I should congratulate you. IWAE! Kamen Rider Die has finished his journey through the Heisei Era, in only a quarter of the time it took me to reach that point earlier this year!
The important thing is that we all reached this future
together
.
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Originally Posted by
Daikaijuman54
Overall, Zi-O, much like real history, isn't perfect, nor can everything in it be considered all good or all bad, it has both, and while it tries to make the best use out of it's themes and plotlines, I wouldn't call this a bad season, or even a bad anniversary. But neither can I say it's a great season either, as it's biggest storyline has an almost laughably bad quality in some places, and it honestly loses itself more than losing itself in the anniversary aspects (funny enough), to me at least. But it's not a bad season all things considered, I still had fun, and I wouldn't have minded rewatching the season with everyone here, but seeing how well my memory held up was interesting to say the least.
I'll get more into this tomorrow night, but I feel like A Fun Group Of Characters That The Plot Frequently Lets Down is about as on-the-nose of a Heisei Rider season as you can get. I really liked these kids, eventually, and that made it a success for me. There were episodes --
especially
in the last stretch -- that just murdered my enthusiasm, but they just ended up being bumps in the road. Not a perfect year, not the best year, but maybe the best anniversary season we're likely to get.
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