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11-09-2017, 07:25 PM | #1 |
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I understand that everyone hates Megaforce and with people still talking about it dispite being 2 years ago, I figured I'd explain why the hate is not worth it.
Reason 1: It's the same thing as the original MMPR. Think about it, it's the same. The charaters have the same personalities, Troy's zord is the same as Rocky's, Gia's zord is the same as Trini's, Emma's zord is the same as Kimberly's Thunderzord, Gosei is a bodiless head like Zordon, Tensou has the same personality as Alpha 5, Jake has the same weapon as Zack, Troy has the same weapon as Jason, and so much more! The only real differince is the legendary powers. Reason 2 invalid complaint #1 "The story is terrible" Now I will say that this complaint WOULD be valid except for one big factor: It's freakin' Power Rangers! Power Rangers is NOT meant to have an extensive plot. Not even the original had an extensive plot until Alien Rangers. If you want to watch a tokusatsu with a extensive plot, go watch Kamen Rider, or Ultraman! Reason 3 invalid complaint #2 "They explain everything terribily" Originally this WOULD be a valid complaint, but heres the thing. Answer me this, how did MMPR explain the ninja powers, the zeo crystal, the cars, GOING TO SPACE!? They explain what it is, but thats it. Why would a robot whos not even Japanese give a couple americans ninja powers, why does the Zeo crystal have ancient egypian powers, why do they NEED to use cars, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO TO SPACE ONLY TO COME BACK A FEW EPISODES LATER!? And its not just MMPR. Why did LR need trains, why did RPM need cars to fight Venjix? And the poor explaining is still a thing. How was Keeper able to speak English when the English laguage wasn't invented yet, how did the Ninja Nexus Star fall from space when ninjas originate from Japan? And everyone still says the explaining was bad, just because of the "blitz" legendarys, and the pirates. Now, I am not hating on any of these seasons, I just wanted to get my opinion out there since it's been bottled up inside me and i wanted to express it, and if you still don't agree thats fine.
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11-09-2017, 07:46 PM | #2 |
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I just want to say that no matter how hard you look, you'll rarely find people defending MMPR beyond for nostalgic reasons.
No one is crusading any of it's qualities beyond being successful enough to spawn the franchise. The story is non-existent, the characters are paper thin goody goods, the acting is mediocre at best, and the splicing of footage is awful, and pretty much any toku or PR fan will agree. And Megaforce's biggest downfall was precisely that. It wanted to be MMPR so much that it emulated shit that we only let slide in the 90's because we were too hopped up on sugar to notice (And it was a different era with little to no access to the web).
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11-09-2017, 09:11 PM | #3 |
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I just want to say that no matter how hard you look, you'll rarely find people defending MMPR beyond for nostalgic reasons.
No one is crusading any of it's qualities beyond being successful enough to spawn the franchise. The story is non-existent, the characters are paper thin goody goods, the acting is mediocre at best, and the splicing of footage is awful, and pretty much any toku or PR fan will agree. And Megaforce's biggest downfall was precisely that. It wanted to be MMPR so much that it emulated shit that we only let slide in the 90's because we were too hopped up on sugar to notice (And it was a different era with little to no access to the web). There's nothing, you get a Power Rangers franchise summary, all the tropes people might be familiar with, boiled down to a formula. 5 color coordinated teens, Japanese stock footage, giant robots, campy villains that grow one monster into a giant every week for the rangers to kill with their giant robot, teamwork lesson yada yada. And it's not a good anniversary season. It pays token regard to past teams, not even really explaining what that team was about. The advertising built up respect for 20 years, but the show didn't do anything. At all. |
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11-10-2017, 02:49 AM | #4 |
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Other reasons have already been explained but here's a few reasons I've got to add
"why did RPM need cars to fight Venjix?" Your argument here is pretty much "You should watch better shows instead! It's your fault for expecting too much" when not only was Megaforce supposed to be an anniversary series but had the beloved Gokaiger as source material. "how did the Ninja Nexus Star fall from space when ninjas originate from Japan?" The reason for the cars is because the source material forced them to do it. Plus this gets lampshaded by Ziggy, the green ranger of RPM and he asked Dr. K, the creator of the stuff in that season about it, I forgot her explanation but they DID talk about it in the show. Can't speak for others as the only other seasons I've seen fully were Ninja Storm and Time Force. I assume this is Ninja Steel but there's a simple explanation. Soace ninjas. I know there's a Ninninger galaxy in the show's canon so that's that. "And everyone still says the explaining was bad, just because of the "blitz" legendarys, and the pirates" The blitz legendaries are a valid complaint as it's supposed to be a Power Rangers anniversary, suddenly having ranger suits the franchise never had before and brushing most of them off isn't a good thing when other seasons get stuff wrong, such as the Samurai disks being used incorrectly or the Wolf Ranger being called the Jungle Fury purple ranger. It's a combination of things. The pirate one is also valid but for multiple reasons. Gokaiger was beloved not just for being an anniversary season done well, but also because of the likeable cast. Thus, the fact that the pirate themed Sentai are merely a power up isn't just disappointing for Gokaiger fans, it's not just wasted potential as there's so much you could do with a pirate theme, but there's also the fact that a 4 year old can see they're pirates but unless you know of Gokaiger, you won't understand WHY they're pirates. The pirate suits only gave them the ability to transform into other Rangers whereas in Gokaiger, the pirate them was prominent for the story and characters
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11-10-2017, 03:13 AM | #5 |
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In the end it felt half-assed and sadly did not live up to the hype.
Personally I would have much preferred if they dropped the Goseiger stuff and start with Gokaiger as the basis. They could have gone Kyuranger with the plot saying they became dimension-hopping pirates that wanna take back Earth utilizing the power rangers legacy powers. As for the Goseiger suit and the non-pr sentai suits they could have said it was elseworld stuff or whatever if they just had no other way to take it out and said it was stuff they earned prior to the show while dimension-hopping.
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11-10-2017, 03:55 AM | #6 |
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I understand that everyone hates Megaforce and with people still talking about it dispite being 2 years ago, I figured I'd explain why the hate is not worth it.
Reason 1: It's the same thing as the original MMPR. Think about it, it's the same. The charaters have the same personalities, Troy's zord is the same as Rocky's, Gia's zord is the same as Trini's, Emma's zord is the same as Kimberly's Thunderzord, Gosei is a bodiless head like Zordon, Tensou has the same personality as Alpha 5, Jake has the same weapon as Zack, Troy has the same weapon as Jason, and so much more! The only real differince is the legendary powers. Quote:
Reason 2 invalid complaint #1 "The story is terrible"
Now I will say that this complaint WOULD be valid except for one big factor: It's freakin' Power Rangers! Power Rangers is NOT meant to have an extensive plot. Not even the original had an extensive plot until Alien Rangers. If you want to watch a tokusatsu with a extensive plot, go watch Kamen Rider, or Ultraman! Quote:
Reason 3 invalid complaint #2 "They explain everything terribily"
Originally this WOULD be a valid complaint, but heres the thing. Answer me this, how did MMPR explain the ninja powers, the zeo crystal, the cars, GOING TO SPACE!? They explain what it is, but thats it. Why would a robot whos not even Japanese give a couple americans ninja powers, why does the Zeo crystal have ancient egypian powers, why do they NEED to use cars, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO TO SPACE ONLY TO COME BACK A FEW EPISODES LATER!? And its not just MMPR. Why did LR need trains, why did RPM need cars to fight Venjix? And the poor explaining is still a thing. How was Keeper able to speak English when the English laguage wasn't invented yet, how did the Ninja Nexus Star fall from space when ninjas originate from Japan? And everyone still says the explaining was bad, just because of the "blitz" legendarys, and the pirates. Now, I am not hating on any of these seasons, I just wanted to get my opinion out there since it's been bottled up inside me and i wanted to express it, and if you still don't agree thats fine. Keeper speaking English prior to Earth society? Answer One: It only sounds like English for the sake of the audience. Answer Two: English derives from Space in the PR Multiverse. Answer Three: It's a show and not worth taking literally. Ninja Nexus Star: Connection to Ninjor? Ninjas from Earth interacting with Space Aliens and developing their own style and Ancient Masters with a collection of Ninja Power stored within? Ninja Power comes from Space in the PR Multiverse? Connection to Lothor and his brand of Ninja skills? Alien Spies learning from Earth Ninjas? It's a show and not worth taking literally? Pre-Zyu Legendary Powers: This seriously needs to be explained! They made a mistake by including them, but compounded that mistake by not explaining them! I can't imagine a kid who asks their parent or PR fanatic relative where these forms came from...only to be disappointed when few if any have an answer! They didn't even have figures for them! They had a chance to make something almost as big as Gokaiger was, and they dropped the ball and decided that instead of picking it up and trying again, to go ahead and put the hoop in storage and leave it be! |
11-10-2017, 06:55 AM | #7 |
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I feel like it should be said that it you enjoyed Megaforce, then that's completely ok
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11-12-2017, 09:33 PM | #8 |
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MMPR has its flaws, but it's the series that brought Super Sentai to America. For the normies, that is the one and only Power Rangers. That in itself honors MMPR respect and admiration. I for one think Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, and hell even Mystic Force are superior to MMPR in terms of story and character development.
That said these very points are the reason Megaforce fails. It's a carbon copy of the original series, and it doesn't even improve upon it. It's also adapts a very different season than MMPR. The core of MMPR is an adaptation of Zyuranger, a sub par Sentai season with character development just a hair better than its American counter part. Megaforce, aside from its half ass attempt at adapting Goseiger, is drawing heavily on Gokaiger. Gokaiger differs greatly from Zyuranger. While Zyuranger were ancient warriors hellbent on protecting humanity from evil, Gokaiger were space pirates looking for the ultimate source of power. The season was wasted opportunity. This should have reintroduced the psycho rangers, possibly in a different way, as pirates who stole the morphing grid powers and fought against an elite warrior team (Goseiger based) until they switch sides and use their new found power for good. This should have united all surviving veteran rangers sporadically through the season and at the end in the legendary war. This should have brought all pre-Zyuranger teams and zords into the Power Rangers mythos. There should have been a tv special that involved all former megazords uniting in the final battle. Instead we got MMPR season four with even worse acting. Last edited by acdcguy; 11-12-2017 at 09:37 PM.. |
11-13-2017, 01:12 PM | #9 |
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Just noticed something:
- Megaforce began with the intended Legendary Battle, showing emphasis on Robo Knight, only to reveal that it's Troy's dream. - Opener to Kamen Rider Decade with the intended Rider War, showing emphasis on Decade, only to reveal that it's Natsumi's dream! Can't say that someone hasn't noticed this already, but I feel as though someone thought they could make PR into KR with Megaforce! |
11-13-2017, 01:28 PM | #10 |
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I try to watch Megaforce and drop it at 5 episodes in. I find it to be pretty terrible for not being any original and just another boring MMPR rehash to me.
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