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06-28-2013, 08:19 AM | #5361 |
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That's actually how it's always been. The other Greed didn't posess people, only Ankh did that because he's just an arm. (Ankh does a lot of things regular Greed can't, but then again that's the point of him) The other Greed change into their human forms. They've never posessed people. It's only vaguely hinted that they observed humans and possibly copied/crafted forms based off what they saw, but they're not posessing anyone.
Have you seen Lost Ankh yet? Who is Lost Ankh, the other half of him? Yeah, I was really underwhelmed by him as well. TaJaDor looks AWESOME but the other half of Ankh looks absolutely ridiculous and not in a cool way. Fourze 33 doesn't leave me with a lot to say, it was a lot of fun and also completely ridiculous. I have to say that not only is Meteor Storm an ugly design, his transformation is pretty awful as well with some cheap instagram filter and that is it. It does set up some interesting things for the future though.
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06-28-2013, 08:31 AM | #5362 |
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That's deffinitely a translator flub. Likely because they misundertood that Mezool had yet to create a human form and said she hadn't "picked" one yet. Yeah, Lost Ankh is Ankh but with purple shit on his face and a purple arm.
Lost Ankh is the main issue with this show because he is what does not make sense. Ankh (who I will refer to simply as Ankh and Lost Ankh as Lost Ankh to avoid confusion the show does not) as I said is clearly an anomaly with the Greed, being nothign but an arm but maintaining his conciousness, but that's chalked up to how his arm was seperated. What doesn't make sense is Lost Ankh and why he has a personality that's supposedly, as the show will suggest later, stronger than Ankh's own. It begs questions like how the hell did Lost Ankh exist since if his core medals with his personality are in the arm then he should've just broke down. (this becomes even more confusing once we find out what "created" Lost Ankh) Another question it brings up is why have none of the other Greed split into multiple beings by having their cores removed? This explained later by showing (this isn't THAT big of a spoielr and is useful to know) that each Greed has one core medal acting as the "brain." This is how Ankh survived as an arm and how no matter how many cores are lost, the "brain" core can live on. The problem is how the hell did Lost Ankh come into being without a "brain" core? The whole running thing with the villains is that the Greed need to "evolve." This is actually rather interestingly explored with the introduction of something I don't know if you've seen and I doubt you have so I'll be quiet. That's what the whole "make a vessel for all the cores" was about. Lost Ankh doesn't really fit into that scheme, nor should he really when you consider his origin, but that really just makes him feel random and confusing. He's kind of distracting from the actual villain plot. BTW, Ryuki 20: Gai is dead. Yay, he accomplished so much in the plot! Ouja used his ridiculous rider kick to destroy his butt, then when he was fighting Ryuki got lightly bumped in the face and flew twenty feet. Yeah, okay. Venosnaker is HUGE and cool, and seeing him and Dragredder fight was neat, but they really poured on the epic imagery which sadly kind of fell flat since why was Dragredder there? He just shows up so we can get this imagery of opposing serpents squaring off but Ryuki didn't call him. What about Darkwing and the red stingray? They just stuck in traffic? Also, the contrived "time limit" rears it's stupid head after being a non-issue for, like, fifteen episodes straight. Seriously, how God-damned convenient that his time is "up" (BTW how does he even know that he didn't even know what monsters were) but no on else who went into the mirror world BEFORE him is. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-28-2013 at 08:41 AM.. |
06-28-2013, 08:42 AM | #5363 |
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Nothing about OOOs lore makes sense to me. So they wanted to create new life...through...medals (what?) but then when one medal was removed...the other nine...desired to be alive so now they...are? (what?)
And they lose different parts of themselves if their cores are removed but even if all their cores are removed they just turn into a human...even though that isn't even their real form (what?) and although they get in great pain when they don't consume cell medals, it can't actually kill them... so really I don't know what their drive is. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS.
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06-28-2013, 08:55 AM | #5364 |
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The story of the Greed is that ancient alchemists succeeded in creating life through condensing the power of animals into medals, but the medals lacked a will and a drive to acheive sentience. So one medal from each set of ten was destroyed, creating an instictual (is that even a word?) desire to become whole again, so the medals became the Greed in order to fulfill that desire. Yeah it's not the greatest backstory of the ages, but it at least makes a bit more sense. Quote:
And they lose different parts of themselves if their cores are removed but even if all their cores are removed they just turn into a human...even though that isn't even their real form (what?) and although they get in great pain when they don't consume cell medals, it can't actually kill them... so really I don't know what their drive is.
Also, cell medals are part of the Greed's body and, in large enough quantities, give them more power. I believe this is actually explored with Uva I guess later if you haven't seen it. (though cell medals are not a replacement for cores. It's just more "meat" on their bones) BTW, I have a hard time deciding who's more useless. The police of Ryuki or Ryuki himself when not in the suit. Seriously, they stop the pursuit because Ren drops a FLARE on the ground. A FLARE. Oh God don't go near it it may blow SMOKE on us. What a joke. Also, Ouja is REALLY fucking annoying with his "vexing" shit. I'm actually quite dissapointed, I thought he was gonna be this awesome character but he's just a glorified thug. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-28-2013 at 09:02 AM.. |
06-28-2013, 09:08 AM | #5365 |
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I have a feeling whatever sub your watching isn't the best as far as translations.
The story of the Greed is that ancient alchemists succeeded in creating life through condensing the power of animals into medals, but the medals lacked a will and a drive to acheive sentience. So one medal from each set of ten was destroyed, creating an instictual (is that even a word?) desire to become whole again, so the medals became the Greed in order to fulfill that desire. Yeah it's not the greatest backstory of the ages, but it at least makes a bit more sense. I never got why they changed to humans when they were missing all but one of there cores, especially since they all do that. Maybe we're just reading too much into this and they actually changed into humans simply so they coud escape without drawing attention? Also, cell medals are part of the Greed's body and, in large enough quantities, give them more power. I believe this is actually explored with Uva I guess later if you haven't seen it. (though cell medals are not a replacement for cores. It's just more "meat" on their bones) Did they even think about any of this when they wrote this or did they take a fuck load of drugs, smash a piggy bank and watch some FMA and assumed they had a brilliant story?
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06-28-2013, 09:11 AM | #5366 |
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Seriously, just look at ancient Egypt. "Yeah I could just have a humble funeral but fuck that I want my tomb to be the size of a mountain now get to work slaves." Also I guess because desire is, like, the most primal and basic instinct I think they say. Also, I think you're gettign a little to analyse-y. This is Kamen Rider, you sort of have to accept taht teh base premise is loopy. I think the fact that OOO can cover it's bases up until the very first event in it's history isn't too bad compared to, say, Wizard which barely has a plot at all. (Or Agito where "lol God-analogy did it") Alternate answer: "Nobody knows!" -Bender Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-28-2013 at 09:16 AM.. |
06-28-2013, 09:18 AM | #5367 |
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Because ancient people were dicks.
Seriously, just look at ancient Egypt. "Yeah I could just have a humble funeral but fuck that I want my tomb to be the size of a mountain now get to work slaves." Also I guess because desire is, like, the most primal and basic instinct I think they say. Also, I think you're gettign a little to analyse-y. This is Kamen Rider, you sort of have to accept taht teh base premise is loopy. I think the fact that OOO can cover it's bases up until the very first event in it's history isn't too bad compared to, say, Wizard which barely has a plot at all. (Or Agito where "lol God-analogy did it") Alternate answer: "Nobody knows!" -Bender OOO however is screaming at you to pay close attention to their lore and none of it makes any kind of sense.
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06-28-2013, 09:29 AM | #5368 |
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It's the fact that OOO seems to be so happy to explore its lore that I end up feeling so confused and frustrated with it all. Wizard may have largely no plot behind how the 'magic' in its universe works, granted, but it also never draws attention to it either so you don't really notice.
OOO however is screaming at you to pay close attention to their lore and none of it makes any kind of sense. Now that doesn't mean that you have to not-think, like the confusion behind Lost Ankh, but it seems weird that in a show where monsters and people in superhero outfits who transfom using magic you can't accept magic sentient medals with a desire to be whole. |
06-28-2013, 09:41 AM | #5369 |
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I think this where the "suspension of disbelief" is supposed to kick in. OOO lore does make sense... provided you can accept the premise of ancient alchemist creating life in the form of medals.
Now that doesn't mean that you have to not-think, like the confusion behind Lost Ankh, but it seems weird that in a show where monsters and people in superhero outfits who transfom using magic you can't accept magic sentient medals with a desire to be whole. Yeah in the 40s we had heroes being born from cosmic rays but in the seventy years since we've tried to make stories actually coherent and...actual stories. OOO is just an idea and you basically have to just accept it's just an idea and nothing else or fuck off, it seems. And that doesn't sit well with me. Especially as it seems to love drawing attention to how little it all makes sense and how little thought seems to have gone into it.
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06-28-2013, 09:47 AM | #5370 |
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It's conversations like this that make md realize how shallow i am. I love OOO more then just about anybody on this forum. And the most I got out of the entire series was boy, this show was awesome!
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