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03-14-2023, 09:53 AM | #1081 |
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Medias often deliberately not call out these kind of actions so that they can keep continue doing that as a source of comedy for audience (and not losing profits for the producers) - also bringing this up can get that person accused as having "no sense of humor". I thought other source of comedy is selective too like the goofy ones can come off as cringe instead of funny (the Sophia one isn't comedy though). Many of the audiences measure character sympathy by how entertaining or interesting they're, those who deserve to suffer are those who fail to entertain them or being too lame (being a loser, though there's a limit or that they can be liked due to their misfortunes).
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 46 - ?FAREWELL, MY DEAR HERO?
Touma and Storious are both writers. They?ve got similar origins ? talented writer gets touched by the cosmic and gains power. They?ve got similar catchphrases, which I think is perfect. They both talk about deciding how stories end, but they?re saying opposite things. Because only Touma cares about the audience. Storious wanted fame, notoriety, acclaim. When he found out that he couldn?t call himself the genius behind his poetry, he turned his back on the idea of human curiosity and endeavor. All creation was pointless because no one could receive credit for it. He wants to decide how the story ends because it represents regained control, and the chance to create something all his own. He?s an author who only writes for applause, and despises a world where he can't claim greatness. Touma only writes for his audience, to make people happy, to share a piece of himself with the world. He doesn?t care about accolades; he cares how his stories make readers think about each other, or understand themselves. His writing is a bridge between people, and he couldn?t care less if the materials of that bridge come from some magic book. The point is only ever the reaction from the readers, and the chance to see what they do with the story. He wants to decide how the story ends because everyone should get a say in storytelling, and no one should get to decide that for others. Touma's answer to this nihilistic angst? "Who cares?" I love that line, as it meets Storious' hopeless philosophy from the same angle, to show why that way of thinking is flawed. "Who cares if everything is unoriginal?" The worth of stories isn't in their originality, but in their ability to reach people's hearts and make them think about topics in ways they haven't considered before. After millennia of storytelling, all the tropes have been done and recycled over and over again, but for someone, they're experiencing it for the first time. It's original to them! Everything is derivative, but it's that derivation that give those stories meaning, allowing them to surpass the boundaries of time and reach new audiences that the writer never even imagined. That's why Touma and the others keep fighting, cause it's humans who decide the value of the world and their individual lives. Magic or not, the Omniscient Tome is a collection of pages. Pages are ephemeral. The stories don't exist only in those pages, they exist in the world, immortalized in people's hearts, where they really matter. Kamen Rider Storious' face is a book, as he can't see the true meaning beyond those pages, which is pitiful for a man who once had so much wonder in his heart. Quote:
I like this show taking a beat before the end to really delve into the concept of storytelling, and how different storytellers feel about it. Just a refreshing, unique bit of business, right up until Touma gets kicked into a pit and falls into the void, never to return.
EDIT: If you haven't already watched the ED for this episode, then I recommend you do. It's a special edition!
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03-14-2023, 11:26 AM | #1082 |
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Sophia can really be compared to Tsukuyomi (they even have a similar style) as late lady riders. But Poppy became a rider almost at the same time that Reika revealed herself as Sabella (episode 26 and 25 respectively). It's more of a problem with the show that she didn't have anything to do after being freed from Lovelica's influence she didn't find anything to do.
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03-14-2023, 11:47 AM | #1083 |
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This episode in some incredible way even manages to surpass the previous ones. An incredibly tough fight by Shindai when Reika manages to outdo her brother; the last general blow of veterans; Mei, who continues to help to the last. And, of course, the fight between Touma and Storius. A lot has already been said about their conversation, similarities and differences, so I want to write about something else.
I remember you wrote about the insufficient good performance of the performer of the role of Storius. But think about what exactly he has to work with. He has to portray a character who portrays a villain, while being a villain, but not the way he wants to appear. And at the same time, Storius is still not absolute evil and has not completely lost his humanity (which, perhaps, led him to the role of the destroyer of the world). So it's a very difficult role, especially since the show doesn't give much time to develop the character. I also remember how Storius was called a romantic fatalist. Perhaps this does not convey all the nuances, but it suits him. I will not write anything about Touma, because I save my thoughts until the next episode. I liked the fanfic a lot. |
03-14-2023, 12:19 PM | #1084 |
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Of course we still get our cool moments, what with Daishinji and Ogami pulling a Piccolo and Goku on their opponent, Reika desperately using her brother's broken blade alongside her own sword to skewer their opponent as much as she could to kill him. While I don't think both are spectacular as Ren's finisher in the prior episode, they still hold a tremendous weight to them.
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I remember you wrote about the insufficient good performance of the performer of the role of Storius. But think about what exactly he has to work with. He has to portray a character who portrays a villain, while being a villain, but not the way he wants to appear. And at the same time, Storius is still not absolute evil and has not completely lost his humanity (which, perhaps, led him to the role of the destroyer of the world). So it's a very difficult role, especially since the show doesn't give much time to develop the character.
(It also means it's WAY easier to think back fondly on stuff that wasn't anything special in the moment, which makes discussing these things from two different points in time sort of bizarre. If I rewatched this show in a couple years, I'd probably be much more generous, knowing where it all goes. Doesn't make it easier to watch it the first time, though!)
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03-14-2023, 01:22 PM | #1085 |
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 46 - “FAREWELL, MY DEAR HERO”
It’s important, in any writing, to consider the audience. Not… not in a sense of catering, or indulging, but in an awareness of the collaborative nature of storytelling. There’s what someone writes, and then there’s what the reader does with that writing. A story told to no one is just an idea; it becomes real only when it's shared. But the audience gets to decide what that story means just as much as – maybe more than – the writer. Stories get to change and grow with the size of the audience, or with time. You write something, and if you’re very lucky, someone else will read it. When that happens, your writing exists on its own, independent of anything else. It’s the best gift a writer can receive. Quote:
Storious wanted fame, notoriety, acclaim. When he found out that he couldn’t call himself the genius behind his poetry, he turned his back on the idea of human curiosity and endeavor. All creation was pointless because no one could receive credit for it. He wants to decide how the story ends because it represents regained control, and the chance to create something all his own. He’s an author who only writes for applause, and despises a world where he can't claim greatness.
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Touma only writes for his audience, to make people happy, to share a piece of himself with the world. He doesn’t care about accolades; he cares how his stories make readers think about each other, or understand themselves. His writing is a bridge between people, and he couldn’t care less if the materials of that bridge come from some magic book. The point is only ever the reaction from the readers, and the chance to see what they do with the story. He wants to decide how the story ends because everyone should get a say in storytelling, and no one should get to decide that for others.
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It’s a lovely way of weaving this franchise’s empathy into this show’s exploration of fiction. The brilliance of fiction, of any writing, is in how each reader gets to decide what to take away from it. Storious calling Touma “my hero” is insulting to Touma, because it diminishes him to a character in Storious’s narrative; it robs him of agency and perspective. The point of storytelling is to allow for endless possibilities and interpretations, not to flatten everything into your conception of the world. It doesn’t matter where a story began, because every time it’s told to someone, it changes. Where ideas come from is pointless to consider; what an idea means to you as a person is much more compelling to talk about.
Kinda disappointed that the reaction of Mei seeing Luna suddenly becoming an adult got skipped to have Mei and Luna just interact like they know each other again. Mei displays her incurable optimism again here and they seem to use "I've experienced that before" as motivation here to get someone to change. Otherwise, Mei's idea of contributing here involves her editor job of which she types something. I don't get it clear yet here, other than how she always tries her best to prove herself in a team consisting of superpowered swordsmen. Quote:
Narratively speaking, that exchange is also there specifically to illustrate Ren's growth as succinctly as possible, since he's speaking to his beloved Kento-kun like a person now, and not revering him as some idealized figure. There's really not a wasted moment in this episode. Did I mention I love how they're so dedicated to giving everyone a role to play that even the dead guys all get to show up? This show, man.
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03-14-2023, 06:11 PM | #1086 |
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Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Saber Episode 46
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And you know, when just the end credits give me that much to talk about, it's safe to say I once again have an almost endless supply of things to talk about with an episode this amazing (the "almost" might legitimately be unnecessary?), so I think I'll take a page from Die here and just focus on how much one of the great Touma speeches of all time resonated with me a ton too. The funny thing is, is that I've seen enough people react to it different ways that it proves exactly the point Die was making there. For me, though, the bit that always strikes me on a truly personal level is when Touma describes how happy it made him when Luna said she liked his writing, and how seeing her happy became his motivation to keep at it. "It wasn't ever supposed to be a thing. I didn't write a lot, generally, or participate in fandoms. I'd lurk, but I didn't really post or discuss." Those could be my own words just as easily as Die's. Despite having this account as long as I have, I wasn't all that frequent a presence on these forums until I had extremely contrarian opinions on Ghost I felt compelled to express. And Gaim, for that matter. Ninninger too! And I think it was because I was consciously realizing just how against the grain those opinions were that I felt the need to put them in writing. "I write these things for me" was definitely my attitude at first. It was simply exercise, more than anything. I figured sitting down with those thoughts and forcing myself to organize them would help those opinions become less vague. I might find out what exactly about Gaim rubbed me the wrong way, or what exactly I was seeing in Ghost that so few people seemed to. It was self-expression for its own sake, initially. But I kept up that little exercise routine, and somewhere along the line, I found people who told me they were genuinely happy to read the things I was writing. It was an odd thing to process for someone like me. That huge Ghost thread I made all those years ago, it's one absurdly long single post because I wrote the entire thing before deciding if I actually wanted to share it or not. I was honestly terrified to put it out there. But as soon as even one person told me they were glad to see a positive opinion on the show, I think I started to see a purpose in what I was doing -- one that would only become clearer and clearer the more things of that sort I wrote here. If it were only exercise -- something that only benefits me -- I highly doubt I'd have become a consistent enough presence around here for anyone to notice I was gone for a few months. If expressing my opinions on tokusatsu could brighten someone's day even a little -- if I could make someone smile -- that kind of motivation could carry me so much farther. That's part of why my signature is the particular quote from Kuuga it is. That's the simple reason that particular thread really exists. These are shows that mean the world to me, and if my writing, as amateurish and inherently niche as it is, can get somebody to find a deeper appreciation and affection for this stuff, the same way I always do myself, then that means the world to me too. So yeah, needless to say, I connected a lot with this episode of Kamen Rider Saber. With a protagonist who refuses to despair, because he knows the true joy of writing is the joy you can give to others, and what a privilege it is to play any part in that, no matter how small.
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I absolutely love Saber's end game. A final peaceful day before battle? Love it. The heroes storming the enemy fort? Love it. Heroes holding off a big threat so their teammates can push on? One of my favorite tropes. Mizuki from Ultraman Max? Always happy to see her.
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03-14-2023, 10:04 PM | #1088 |
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I absolutely love Saber's end game. A final peaceful day before battle? Love it. The heroes storming the enemy fort? Love it. Heroes holding off a big threat so their teammates can push on? One of my favorite tropes. Mizuki from Ultraman Max? Always happy to see her.
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03-15-2023, 08:53 AM | #1089 |
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Oh right, I forgot about that! It's just the three of them doing the dance routine without any of the cutaways, right? That was actually a really nice bit of detail to throw in there for the last episode that sequence gets used. I'm not sure this is a great way to describe it, but it has this sort of "look how far we've come" vibe I appreciate. Just reminding us that way back a whole year ago, those actors had to practice those steps to film that super early on, and the place it was filmed is actually of some significance if I remember right, and it's like this whole little story unto itself that we've probably been taking for granted after 40+ episodes of it, so they gave the dance one last chance to shine before the end. Again, real cool touch to throw in.
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KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 47 - “THE END OF THE WORLD, AND THE BIRTH OF A NEW STORY”
Storious’s plan was never going to work. Not really. Sure, Kento had seen any number of Ends Of The Earth, but that wasn’t really the defeat that Kento assumed. Storious thought he could destroy the world by destroying its stories, but that misses the truth that Mei and Touma always knew: we are our stories. The people we are, that’s all because of the stories we’ve read and told. You could sooner stop the sun from rising than destroy every story ever told, and even then, those stories still existed. They still shaped a life, and that life told stories of its own. We make our world out of stories, which means the world can be endlessly retold. As long as someone’s around to tell a story, it’s never really over. I liked that aspect the most, the Mei Rallies The Troops of it all. Touma was fighting to protect everyone’s love of stories, and it’s only right for those stories to save Touma in the end. It’s all over this episode, even before humanity rewrites its ending. It’s in Primitive Dragon saving Touma from an endless fall, just to find out what story he’ll tell next. Yuri’s resurrection of the guild is down to a compelling story Touma told about friendship. Luna’s dream is to be a story that’ll let Touma write more stories. It’s the only power that ever really mattered, and Touma had it even before he chose to become a Kamen Rider. Hell, it’s the reason being a Kamen Rider chose him. It’s a lovely finale, even if there’s still a Bonus Chapter to come. Everyone lives, even if it’s after a fashion. (Falchion! Tassel! The Book Club!) The world is saved, even if it’s maybe changed in ways that are yet to be explained or discovered. (I 100% saw a Humagear at Mei’s award ceremony.) There’s a generosity to this ending that exceeded my expectations, which were already elevated by the last few episodes. Touma’s lynchpin power-up is something that celebrates the many stories that allowed for victory: it’s not one narrative, it’s 10, 100, 1000, etc. The point of the success is the infinite perspectives that created unbeatable power, not the heroism of one warrior. Touma was a beneficiary of the victory, not its architect. Humanity wasn’t saved, humanity won. I literally can’t think of anything in this episode I’d change, even if it wasn’t quite as moving or revelatory as the last few. (The last few were pretty unbeatable!) This one gives us the climactic battle that feels final, and the stunning victory that feels earned. There’s nothing here to feel bad about, and there's even an epilogue that takes us back to the first shots of the opening credits. The Wonder World is Touma’s imagination, and everyone’s stories. A similar geography, but a changed landscape. A story that became a lifeline, and a hero who never stopped being a writer. It’s as good as these endings ever get, and it’s never really the end. — WRITE IT ON YOUR HEART ETERNAL STORY EDITOR’S NOTE This novel was the work of Touma Kamiyama, but he probably wouldn’t like me to put it that way. He’d rather say that his job was in letting the story be interpreted by him, rather than created by him. He viewed stories as a conversation, not a statement. This story was a conversation he had with his friends, and now he’s having it with you. Touma saved the world, but he probably wouldn’t like me to put it that way, either. It’s true, however. He may have only been the inspiration for this world to write itself out of oblivion, but Touma’s kindness and curiosity allowed us to do that. He never stopped believing in the power of stories, and he never stopped pushing people to tell their story to the world. For all that his acclaim came from writing, Touma loved listening to people more. He opened a bookshop, to better share stories with people. I asked him once, why a bookshop? Why not just write in privacy? “Mei, writing is just the thing I have to do to share a story with someone, but it’s not the only way to share a story. This store is filled with books, any one of which could mean more to someone than anything I’d ever write. It’s good to put a new story in someone’s hands. That feels nice. But do you know what the best feeling is? When they come back, and they want to share how much the story meant to them. The look in their eyes as the story is theirs now, something they can love and pass on to others. It’s the greatest feeling in the world.” It’s our profound honor as a company to share this story, Touma’s latest, with the world. We hope it will bring you the joy that Touma brought to us, and we hope you’ll pass it along to others. Stories never die, Mei Sudo Editor
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