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08-22-2021, 09:51 PM | #101 |
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Yeah, I guess the bat being a winged animal maybe has something to do with it. Personally I was expecting a battle axe or a scythe.
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08-22-2021, 11:41 PM | #102 |
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Apropos of nothing, let me announce a CONTEST I'll be running for the rest of this thread. Buried in these episode posts, I will intentionally misname characters. (It's always intentional! I don't know why you'd think otherwise!) Whoever collects the most instances of these purely intentional "mistakes", and posts them in this thread, will win a prize. Either: -For folks in the United States, I will ship out a tokusatsu prize pack. Some stuff from my store, maybe some unopened figures from my collection, probably some toku stuff made by local artists. It'll be fun, but probably nothing that's going to make you feel like I went to too much trouble. -For folks outside the U.S. or folks in the U.S. that would prefer not to have anything shipped out, you will get a digital good of equivalent value. You can't enter until I post the THREAD WRAP-UP post, and we'll let the contest run for a week so people can dig up the very carefully placed and totally known to me misnaming "errors". Fish just totally spoiled the contest by pointing out the first one, and I know for a fact there's a second one. Uh, I mean, I know exactly how many there will be! At least two, though! (These are instances where the wrong proper name is used, not when I make up some dumb name. Calling Megumi "Maya" is a valid entry. Calling Wataru "Wee Wataru" is not.) Good luck, everybody! Quote:
These episodes also have the version of Newsuke I remembered, who actually does feel like Kuuga, albeit without the serenity Yuusuke had, which really just fits the idea of a guy who's character arc is about growing into that name all the more. Really good episodes for the guy, and like with Wataru, I recall being endeared to Newsuke quite a bit thanks to this story. Running around helping some kid just because is so fundamentally Kuuga it's probably the thing that made me forget he started out as kind of a jerk.
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Kiva Arrow is also one of my favorite Final Form Rides purely because of how it functions, pulling back and the chain breaking to reveal the arrow. And also it isn't just a straight up redo of an older concept like Kuuga becoming Gouram is. But yeah I will admit, given the flash at the end of the Kuuga Arc, Kiva's ended relatively tame in all honesty.
There's also this tiny bit of comedy beforehand that I wasn't expecting. Just as Decade is about to open up Kiva's back, Kiva turns around to see what he's doing back there. There's a beat as Decade looks at Kiva, like he's been caught, and then Decade slaps Kiva's shoulder and says "Eyes front." It's this minor but crucial acknowledgement that Final Form Ride is so weird and gross. Quote:
Part of wishes they'd gone the Tiny Den-O route from that Den-O movie, but I imagine that those fights would Decade look like way too much of a dick. Funny to think about, though! And definitely not out of character for Tsukasa at this point in the show! Quote:
Two years prior to this show, Arashi Fukasawa who played Wataru/Kiva was Jan/Geki Red in Gekiranger in an episode where Geki Red became a child(and Geki Blue a Baby) due to the MOTW's attack if I recall(also, he later reprised the role in a flashback scene for a later episode). So seeing him come back was a surprise to me two years after. While I loved his portrayal as the boy king who is unsure of his position as a monarch, I do think these episodes suffer from bad placement. Reason being Onodera suddenly being this big brother figure felt a little rushed? I think if these two episodes were say 10 and 11 it would have solved that problem for me. Not bad.
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Side note, It is now confirmed that Decade's most horrible and unique ability is... have other riders experience body horror. It's kinda messed up when you think about it. He makes them twist and turn just so he can use them as weapons. I mean he does have the courtesy to revert them to their normal state after, but still, kinda messed up.
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I like the take on Weetaru (sticking with it and looking forward to seven more portmanteaus to join him and the Yusuke one I'll be dusting off soon enough). He's basically a cross between Wataru and Taiga, which is a new but recognizable spin on Kiva. There are two broad approaches that Decade takes to its worlds and I always prefer the ones that feel like they tie into the original series' plot or themes. We'll definitely be seeing some cases where the homage feels like it was written by someone who'd never watched the show they were paying tribute to.
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08-23-2021, 08:35 AM | #103 |
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Dropping in late, but when am I ever on time.
So for the first episode, as I said in my previous post, really hooked me in with how they presented Decade, then journeying through the decade (pun intended) showing us a sneak peek of what's been in each one of these Kamen Rider shows that our heroes faced, it sold me to the series as a whole, and showed off some really cool suits, those being of the Heisei mains. And might I add, the music was sensational, having that dramatic pre-apocalyptic theme, which is used every time Decade says his iconic catchphrase, to that jazzy guitar theme as his transformation theme were all fantastic. There's one more theme that sticks out to me, but I'll wait for the episode it appears in, first. The Kuuga arc, fitting how the first major arc is the first Heisei season, introduced the AR Yuusuke (or as Die might like to call him, Palmtree head), who, having recently seen the first two episodes of the original Kuuga, isn't quite as interesting as Odagiri, but is still to me, an enjoyable character on his own, and can see some of the similarities to his predecessor, he even watched all of Kuuga to prepare himself for Decade, even knowing he could never "replace" Odagiri. Tsukasa kind of felt like those stinking genius Anime protagonists here, which at first kind of bothered me, but began to warm up to with his shrewd personality, for lack of a better term. He acted like a jerk being all, "isn't it obvious," which eventually I found kind of funny, but still a little off. Now, seeing his finisher for the first time was perhaps the greatest, stupidest thing ever, seeing him jump up into the air and smash through holographic cards before blasting right through the enemy. It was that moment, I knew I was going to like this series. In context of the story, some of Tsukasa's actions feel like he read the script before arriving in the world, which isn't a trait I particularly enjoy, but getting around that, the action and worlds were still fun to explore. AR Kuuga's story was pretty well done for only two episodes, and kind of fitting for him to be the Secondary in this Anniversary, and I really enjoyed him throughout. I find the supporting cast's quirks to be between fun and "what?," Natsume (Summer Mandarin) being of the latter, acting as a moral compass to Tsukasa, to Grandpa (I don't remember his name) who sometimes bounces from one to another. The "road trip" format, is pretty clever, though mostly blends the magic painting world approach with the canvases, and I love how Tsukasa always has a weird role in the world he's visiting, complete with a makeover. I originally planned to re-watch the first two episodes to refresh my memories, but haven't had time, so I'm just taking everything I can remember about this show the first time I saw it (2017?), and I'll post my thoughts on the Kiva arc at a later date, because I don't like going on for too long. |
08-23-2021, 08:44 AM | #104 |
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There's also this tiny bit of comedy beforehand that I wasn't expecting. Just as Decade is about to open up Kiva's back, Kiva turns around to see what he's doing back there. There's a beat as Decade looks at Kiva, like he's been caught, and then Decade slaps Kiva's shoulder and says "Eyes front." It's this minor but crucial acknowledgement that Final Form Ride is so weird and gross.
Now time for some of my own thoughts about the World of Kiva and what better place to start than the surprise return of the man we all love (to hate), Kusaka! There's something familiar about stadium where Decade fights Kaixa, do you all remember? That's the same place where Kaixa first used his Kaixa Pointer to perform the Golden Smash on the Rabbit Orphenoch! I think the choice to use this set has to be deliberate as a reference to that fight. It's almost a shame that Die didn't start this thread 3 weeks later, cause then we'd be discussing this on Kaixa Day! The premise of this arc also shows how imaginative these worlds can get. The World of Kuuga wasn't too different to the original. But in the World of Kiva, there's a law that enforces equal rights between humans and Fangires and anybody who breaks that law is therefore evil. That's totally the opposite of how it was in the show. Wataru's patrilineal and matrilineal lines are also reversed, with his father being the Fangire King and his mother being a dead human. Kiva is 7/19 in my Heisei Rider Ranking and all my relevant opinions are now documented in that thread. So how does the World of Kiva compare? Well, I think [insert surname] Wataru (the wiki was no help here) is a sympathetic character, of course nowhere as memorable or present as Yuusuke. Nevertheless, he lived by his belief in the benevolent law and never succumbed to his Fangire instincts, so I think Kurenai Wataru would be proud of that. The return of Spider Fangire was nice as well, maybe he's not such a creep in this world. Unfortunately, the Wolfen, Merfolk and Franken races are extinct here since Wataru's father just committed a triple genocide, so that sucks. Other than that, it seems like a pretty good place to live. Kivat has a little sister who may or may not be exclusive to this world and I think she's a very adorable addition to Team Decade! After all my praise about Yuusuke, my only complaint about him is that he's not generous enough to indulge her a little blood sometimes. Is his heart so cold?
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08-23-2021, 12:27 PM | #105 |
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Tsukasa kind of felt like those stinking genius Anime protagonists here, which at first kind of bothered me, but began to warm up to with his shrewd personality, for lack of a better term. He acted like a jerk being all, "isn't it obvious," which eventually I found kind of funny, but still a little off.
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Kivat has a little sister who may or may not be exclusive to this world and I think she's a very adorable addition to Team Decade! After all my praise about Yuusuke, my only complaint about him is that he's not generous enough to indulge her a little blood sometimes. Is his heart so cold?
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08-23-2021, 07:00 PM | #106 |
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So, one little thing that's sort of frustrating about the Beetle Fangire's design. He absorbs the Arms Monsters into little shields on his torso and shoulders, and it allows him to transform into DoGaBaKi, but Garulu is on his chest while Dogga is one of the shoulders, which is completely backwards, and I'll never understand why they chose to do it that way. Did they just want Garulu front and center because he was the most important one?
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The show was no help to the wiki! This version of Wataru has no surname, for whatever reason. Oh, this reminds me of an entirely different thing about the episode that I felt was super Kiva-y: the death scene for Wataru's dad, with Tsukasa playing the violin and everything. The melodramatic, wistful tone of it was straight out of that show. It's not enough to die in Kiva; you have to die gloriously.
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08-23-2021, 07:45 PM | #107 |
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Oh, this reminds me of an entirely different thing about the episode that I felt was super Kiva-y: the death scene for Wataru's dad, with Tsukasa playing the violin and everything. The melodramatic, wistful tone of it was straight out of that show. It's not enough to die in Kiva; you have to die gloriously.
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08-23-2021, 07:46 PM | #108 |
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Oh, this reminds me of an entirely different thing about the episode that I felt was super Kiva-y: the death scene for Wataru's dad, with Tsukasa playing the violin and everything. The melodramatic, wistful tone of it was straight out of that show. It's not enough to die in Kiva; you have to die gloriously.
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08-23-2021, 08:14 PM | #109 |
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To be fair, maybe in the World of Kiva that is the only piece of music. Like, that's just Music, the end, full stop.
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08-23-2021, 11:11 PM | #110 |
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Now time for some of my own thoughts about the World of Kiva and what better place to start than the surprise return of the man we all love (to hate), Kusaka! There's something familiar about stadium where Decade fights Kaixa, do you all remember? That's the same place where Kaixa first used his Kaixa Pointer to perform the Golden Smash on the Rabbit Orphenoch! I think the choice to use this set has to be deliberate as a reference to that fight. It's almost a shame that Die didn't start this thread 3 weeks later, cause then we'd be discussing this on Kaixa Day!
I guess one thing I can also appreciate about the show is that even when the secondary Rider didn't actually appear in their respective AR World they did end up making cameos. Quote:
The premise of this arc also shows how imaginative these worlds can get. The World of Kuuga wasn't too different to the original. But in the World of Kiva, there's a law that enforces equal rights between humans and Fangires and anybody who breaks that law is therefore evil. That's totally the opposite of how it was in the show. Wataru's patrilineal and matrilineal lines are also reversed, with his father being the Fangire King and his mother being a dead human.
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The return of Spider Fangire was nice as well, maybe he's not such a creep in this world. Unfortunately, the Wolfen, Merfolk and Franken races are extinct here since Wataru's father just committed a triple genocide, so that sucks. Other than that, it seems like a pretty good place to live. Kivat has a little sister who may or may not be exclusive to this world and I think she's a very adorable addition to Team Decade! After all my praise about Yuusuke, my only complaint about him is that he's not generous enough to indulge her a little blood sometimes. Is his heart so cold?
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