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10-21-2021, 12:17 AM | #541 |
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I find it sad that after this show and the subsequent movie, we never see the full Decade cast together again after this. Natsumi, Grandpa, Kivala, and Yuusuke become completely absent afterwards, with the exception of ZvD but that's not even our Yuusuke. It just becomes Tsukasa and Kaito going forward. Which is sad, because it basically implies that after 2010, Tsukasa begins a journey all alone with a few run-ins from Kaito.
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10-21-2021, 12:22 AM | #542 |
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I find it sad that after this show and the subsequent movie, we never see the full Decade cast together again after this. Natsumi, Grandpa, Kivala, and Yuusuke become completely absent afterwards, with the exception of ZvD but that's not even our Yuusuke. It just becomes Tsukasa and Kaito going forward. Which is sad, because it basically implies that after 2010, Tsukasa begins a journey all alone with a few run-ins from Kaito.
But they can all go straight to hell, because after this story? I am 100% Team DiCade. Give me Tsukasa and Kaitou having a toxic romance across the multiverse forever.
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10-21-2021, 01:24 AM | #543 |
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And here's where the wheels just completely come off the wagon. With no more episodes left so W can have peak Christmas sales, Decade careens to a complete car crash of a finale.
I'm not sure how things went so wrong with this show. Losing the original writer obviously hurt as Aikawa either left no notes behind or Yonemura just didn't care about them. There's really no attempt to wrap up any of the plot threads that the show has established. Decade's plot has had a number of central mysteries from the start: who was Tsukasa before he lost his memory? Where did his powers come from? What is causing all these worlds to merge? Who is Narutaki? What is the deal with sea cucumber? All of those things went unanswered. Instead we spend the last few episodes running around after a brand new villain while characters continue to give Tsukasa vague orders about what he was supposed to be doing. Also, the real Kamen Riders apparently are here, too, which adds in so many questions about what the AU worlds even are that the show doesn't even pretend to answer. Everything about this feels like the writer just gave up on anything making sense so he threw out a Hail Mary and promised resolution in the movie. And that ended up so badly that it resulted in two of Decade's more infamous moments. The first is that Japanese parents were so pissed off that Toei re-edited the last episode for its repeat airing that it just finished by replaying the big fight from the first episode. The second is that we got that trailer. The trailer for the Decade movie that aired with this episode ended up being complete bullshit. By the time the film came out it was completely rewritten and re-filmed, so that not a single thing in the trailer actually appears in the final movie and nothing from the original cliffhanger is followed up on. It's such a shame that the show just completely imploded at this point, as a good, satisfying ending surely must have been possible. |
10-21-2021, 07:15 AM | #544 |
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I've come to a new appreciation to a lot of the unanswered questions from Decade.
Most of it is a headcanon but... it does make sense when you think about it. I'll get back to that when the time is right however. So expect it in like... idk, 2 or 3 years if I remember? We'll see. Now before I actually watch this since I just woke up... let's talk about cliffhangers, right? So basically, no matter how much anyone wants to tell you otherwise. No Kamen Rider series since Decade has ended like this. I don't care what people say about Ex-Aid, Zero-One, etc those wrapped up mostly everything. There were a few teases but those were basically just hooks to tell a Winter Movie story. But something concludes. Here well... despite not watching it, nothing concludes. Which is where we get the trailer. It's telling in that this is the only time Toei's been able to do this and hasn't been able to say "Okay, see how this ends in theaters!" after this. As for the trailer itself, nothing of consequence. Because as confirmed by the cast, it was just shot final day of in order to hype up the movie. I doubt a final script was penned by that point. Point is, this is a very unique phenomenon that will never happen again. No matter what people try to joke about in regards to Rider endings. Last edited by Enchilada645; 10-21-2021 at 07:19 AM.. |
10-21-2021, 08:20 AM | #545 |
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But I feel like they could've told that story and still had time for one single scene of Narutaki saying Here's My Deal? Or one scene of Actual Kenzaki saying Here's Why Decade Is Causing All Of This? But they don't, and it gets more unsatisfying the closer we get to the end credits. Quote:
So basically, no matter how much anyone wants to tell you otherwise. No Kamen Rider series since Decade has ended like this. I don't care what people say about Ex-Aid, Zero-One, etc those wrapped up mostly everything. There were a few teases but those were basically just hooks to tell a Winter Movie story. But something concludes.
Decade is not that! It's a massive, 31-episode arc that goes Hey LOOK It's The Real Kenzaki and then runs away while you're distracted. Super grateful that this was the one and only time in the 19 Heisei series I watched that someone screwed up a finale this bad.
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10-21-2021, 08:25 AM | #546 |
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Boy do I have some choice words I have to say about this finale. The Kenzaki Kazuma and too a lesser extenet Kurenai Wataru we see here in this finale are some of the worst things to come out of Kamen Rider imo.
Kenzaki Kaumza the man who fights because he loves everybody, who wouldn't sacrifice his best friend to stop the end of the world. Now in Decade is a cold sociopath who goes straight for the kill on Tsukasa. Slowly turning his friends against him all while having a deadpan expression on his face. Just wow I don't have anything that can convey how messed up this all is. And too a similar extent to Wataru as well. I know by the end of his show he become a little more cold with his King persona and I can see that he channeling that in hus peformance but it's too cold. Where the sweet anxious kid that still underneath? This is a minor complaint but Den-O here. We've establish that there is no A.R Den-O. So this is at the very least Momotaros from the show and from Decade stuff and to see him be completely silent as he attacks Decade with the other riders despite knowing Tsukasa on a more personal level then the others. Oh speaking of the other Riders this feel contradictory to what we saw in Dai-Shocker where all the Riders fought alongside and even encourage Tsukasa to continue the journey. I know movies are always kind of wonky in terms of canon. Especially Decade didn't have the time to reference the movie by the time it came out. But can you imagine continuity wise how Tsukasa feels right now. Going from fighting alongside them to atone for your sin and then the Showa and Heisei Riders encourging the one thing that gives you purpose which is your journey. To the Heisei Riders deeming your entire existence a threat and deciding to end your journey. I can't even fanthom how this came to be honestly. There another thing I wany bring up in regards to movie but I'm saving for when you watched the movie cause man this is getting long.
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10-21-2021, 08:29 AM | #547 |
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Damn, my post from earlier failed to appear. Oh well I’ll do it again.
While the finale isn’t much in terms of quality beyond Decade Complete Diend (I literally forgot the Legends of Evil were revived until I rewatched it), I can say that the story of what happened next behind the scenes is very interesting. They had a plot set up, actors booked and costumes made… then Toei saw that W was planning to do their own movie releasing on the same day and decided to merge them into one release, despite their incompatible plots. The Decade half had to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch, though still using the same cast and costumes. But rather than discuss the results now, there’s a new Fangire, and with it, a new Fact Fangire-le. Thorn Fangire True name: Perishing at the Altar, Silence from a Deep Kiss (滅びゆく祭壇に、沈黙より深いキスを, Horobiyuku Saidan ni, Chinmoku yori Fukai Kisu o) Human identity: Yuki Rank: Queen Class: Aqua Main actor: Yuria Haga |
10-21-2021, 08:40 AM | #548 |
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Man it was absolutely wild, watching the re-aired versions and then the original versions with the nonsensical Decade Final Movie trailer attached to it.
I... I kind of prefer the original version of Decade's ending... up to a point. And I feel like you could have easily edited around the final shot of Diend shooting Decade and switched it to something else. Just from what I remember of Movie War 2010, and how its set up, them repeating the beginning of the show in the re-aired version makes no sense from what I recall. Because the beginning of the show is showing us the end of it all. Tsukasa destroying everyone as Natsumi watches in horror. I do get what they were going for with these episodes sans the abrupt ending, and well, I suppose the ending doesn't pack as much a punch for me in any kind of way due to the fact that I knew it was coming. It was an inevitability for me on this journey to return to Decade. Last edited by Enchilada645; 10-21-2021 at 08:45 AM.. |
10-21-2021, 09:00 AM | #549 |
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ZATYME: I refuse to call it an ending as there's no closure even in an "The Adventure Continues" sort of way it just feels like it's a part 2 of 3
KAMEN RIDER DIE: It's a complete cliffhanger! And, worse, since it ends where the series starts, it sort of feels like the entire series is just a prologue for a movie? Quote:
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Wataru "teaming up" with the Fangires isn't even a big deal like they make it out to be, since that's literally the default setting of his world. Of course, Yonemura wasn't head writer then, so maybe he failed to do the research. Actually, Yonemura pretty much failed here in general. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: The stuff with Wataru From Kiva is the same thing to me. I wrote it off in the beginning as being an avatar of Kamen Rider Storytelling, not Wataru-the-person but Wataru-the-narrative, but here it's just nebulous and threatening and contradictory and I give up. I give up trying to find something intelligent within this Destroyer of Worlds bullshit.
So let's finally talk about that series-long plot. Kivaala reviving and brainwashing Yuusuke in to black-eyed Ultimate Kuuga to join the others in killing Decade came totally out of nowhere as well. Why did she do that and how did she do that? It doesn't make any sense! Quote:
ZATYME: yup Decade was flawed from the start as a series
only given 31 episode to ensure Rider and Sentai were offset to help toy sales for both series only having all of 4 DX roleplay toys with only maybe 2 being worth owning and having the original writer leave part way due to producers wanting to shoehorn in Showa rider stuff into a Heisei Rider anniversary season for the last 6 episodes on top of I hate to say it due to liking the 2 parter but the Shinkenger arc should of been removed to help give the actual plot room to breathe KAMEN RIDER DIE: I feel like the Dark Riders story and the Shinkenger story... they seem like the first things you'd cut, but I really feel like they're two of the best stories about Team Decade? They're about the best parts of this show: the bonds between the characters. ZATYME: unlike some other people I actually consider the AR riders a genius idea as now they don't have to scuttle any story plans and have the plot be dependent on what actors they can get back KAMEN RIDER DIE: I really did like the A.R. Riders. I liked the stories being about the feeling of the shows being homaged, rather than a celebration of how popular they were. Excavating things from the shows, rather than just pointing to them. The concept of alternate worlds is intriguing for sure. I mean, if you can't get Godai back as Kuuga, your best option is to make a New Hero for a New Legacy, which was the whole intention of Kuuga to kickstart the Heisei Rider Era. I like the idea of taking some fanfic what if concepts of different seasons and exploring them from Team Decade's perspective. Quote:
I mean, I love this cast. I love Tsukasa's deep, sibling-like bond with Natsumi. I love the way Onodera feels integral to the dynamic while rarely contributing anything measurable. I love Photo Studio Hayao Miyazaki and Kiva-la hanging out, never really losing their good-natured charm and ignorance of the plot. It's an incredibly good cast.
But they can all go straight to hell, because after this story? I am 100% Team DiCade. Give me Tsukasa and Kaitou having a toxic romance across the multiverse forever. Quote:
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I've come to a new appreciation to a lot of the unanswered questions from Decade.
Most of it is a headcanon but... it does make sense when you think about it. I'll get back to that when the time is right however. So expect it in like... idk, 2 or 3 years if I remember? We'll see. Now before I actually watch this since I just woke up... let's talk about cliffhangers, right? So basically, no matter how much anyone wants to tell you otherwise. No Kamen Rider series since Decade has ended like this. I don't care what people say about Ex-Aid, Zero-One, etc those wrapped up mostly everything. There were a few teases but those were basically just hooks to tell a Winter Movie story. But something concludes. Here well... despite not watching it, nothing concludes. Which is where we get the trailer. It's telling in that this is the only time Toei's been able to do this and hasn't been able to say "Okay, see how this ends in theaters!" after this. As for the trailer itself, nothing of consequence. Because as confirmed by the cast, it was just shot final day of in order to hype up the movie. I doubt a final script was penned by that point. Point is, this is a very unique phenomenon that will never happen again. No matter what people try to joke about in regards to Rider endings. While EX-Aid and Zero One leave some loose ends hanging for V-Cinemas to resolve, they at least have the courtesy to leave you at a checkpoint, to put it in video game terms. Decade leaves you in the middle of a fight. There's no feeling of progress here, rather it feels like going in reverse from the great conclusion to Tsukasa's world-searching subplot in the movie. Apollo Geist Fangire doesn't even feel like a final boss. He goes down way too easily. He's a joke compared to the original version.
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10-21-2021, 09:11 AM | #550 |
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I suppose you could say it wasn't the original intention but as the years go on, more pieces have been added to the puzzle to where, if you think about things. It just makes sense. I know I'm being vague but I'm trying to avoid spoilers here for future entries. Regardless, I already made a post on twitter back in that time that summed up my thoughts on it. But I had yet to watch Decade again. This rewatch has sort of given me more clarity on the bigger picture as my fanfic brain tries to take what pieces of information we have and put em together. On an unrelated note, as someone who has been working on a Kamen Rider Zi-O Crossover, rewatching Decade has been a great boon to me. Either way I need to go on a different journey before I meet up with everyone in the World of Movie Wars. Time to rewatch the first Rider I got into, W. |
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