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04-15-2021, 06:09 AM | #741 |
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We all know the real reason that Die's this happy is that the show's back to using the original Climax Jump. For some reason.
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04-15-2021, 09:10 AM | #742 |
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The thing that gets me the most about this episode is that it’s the main time we get to see the realAiri. I love Airi and how she’s always just a little out of touch with everything going on around her, but part of that is that the version of her we’ve been seeing has basically been lobotomized via time travel shenanigans. This is an Airi who’s complete and fully aware of what’s happening and it is heartbreaking to get this small glimpse of her in her last fully lucid moments. For me, probably the standout moment of the whole episode is when the Imagin shows up in the past to attack Airi and she’s not scared or surprised; she knew exactly what was going on and was prepared for it.
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04-15-2021, 10:56 AM | #743 |
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The thing that gets me the most about this episode is that it’s the main time we get to see the realAiri. I love Airi and how she’s always just a little out of touch with everything going on around her, but part of that is that the version of her we’ve been seeing has basically been lobotomized via time travel shenanigans. This is an Airi who’s complete and fully aware of what’s happening and it is heartbreaking to get this small glimpse of her in her last fully lucid moments. For me, probably the standout moment of the whole episode is when the Imagin shows up in the past to attack Airi and she’s not scared or surprised; she knew exactly what was going on and was prepared for it.
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Sakurai and Airi planned to temporarily erase the good future the Imagin want to replace with their own, then have Ryotaro restore it later. But in the aforementioned Zero Form two-parter, Yuto gets killed before he gets involved in any of this and doesn’t get restored because “Ryotaro didn’t know him at that age”. So what happens to all the other people important to this future (as Bill and Ted Face the Music points out, two people alone can’t change the future) that Ryotaro didn’t know yet? Or never met at all? Thus, it stands to reason that the future they believe in no longer exists.
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04-15-2021, 03:26 PM | #744 |
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I know Airi is an established character in the show, but the reason of involving Sakurai here is, because, Ryotaro and Yuuto isn't the only one that has important ties to Sakurai; the former being his best friend and the latter being his future self, Sakurai has even more important ties to Airi, and of course won't spoil, but I know this isn't the most appealing part, but the Fujishiro two parter should give enough clues regarding Sakurai to Airi, with what Yuuto did there. Also... you sure... that Airi can't articulate how it matters, or defining the good? It can be that, she's only faking it, taking into the account that she knew all along about everything Rider-ish that happens based on here. And you're ok about this being someone who worries about a main character fighting? You finally indirectly acknowledge that Airi is Ryotaro's... outright mother figure by saying she raised him right. Well of course, like i said before, evil can't comprehend good as a glaring flaw; finding concepts such as friendship or love laughable and/or distractions, and believe in self-preservation and individualism above all things. Plus, while the villain may be surrounded by countless lackeys whom he keeps them in line via threats or outright violence, which Kai clearly does to other Imagins, and can lead into infightings that can put them into disadvantage, the hero has numerous companions who are willing to help them even in dire situations and enable them to defeat the baddies. Ryotaro shows about him having friendship and cooperation to push him forward. And the one that hinders the Den-O crew's progression, is actually, their competition and infighting, when the other Imagins are too absorbed of competing with each other to be Ryotaro's most valuable ally, like the struggle of Climax Form of which one controls the form. And Airi being the likely source of Ryotaro's noble qualities are real strength, the monster fights are only a tokusatsu distraction compared to the real world-like part, about normal humans, that the world is full of many people who need healing, care, love, compassion and help. and not a single tokusatsu monsters exist in the real world, where Ryotaro's main job in the DenLiner adventure, is that; helping people psychologically, where his Imagin friends fight off Imagins. I guess in the context of Den-O, Ryotaro's doing also helped to preserve the memory of humans, and perpetuate the current state of the world. Den-O isn't the only Rider series to show the value of these 2 though.
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04-15-2021, 03:47 PM | #745 |
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Though I wonder for here, is it a changed opinion of Airi now to claim you care about her or acknowledge a strength, or that's already your opinion from the beginning despite all the seemingly badmouths, like something around her such as Airimirers or Milk Dipper, or her "chemistry" with Yuuto, or her having the part of keeping the truth plot, etc.
Also, it's not a binary Good or Bad thing, a character in a show like this. Airi is delightful in comedic scenes and a pillar in dramatic scenes. She's also marginalized for a lot of her story (something this episode addressed, and I praised it for!) and lacks chemistry with Yuuto. Like, it's complicated? When the show utilizes her well, as they did here, I feel good about her as a character. When the show sticks her in emotionally inert mystery plots, or asks us to view the Airimirers as human beings, I don't feel so strongly about her. Basically, this episode made it easy to care about Airi and value her contribution to the series. Not every episode does! Quote:
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In this episode, though, there's less parity between Airi and Ryotaro, and more motherly concern (she is the most maternal she's ever been on this show), so it was a time where it was worth touching on that part of their bond.
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04-15-2021, 05:26 PM | #746 |
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Put simply, it's another instance of a character name being worked in, as the "love" (愛) and "truth" (理) in the title, if you were to put them together, get you "Airi" (愛理). And speaking of, yeah, pretty great episode for her, huh? Nice to have at least one thing in this plotline we can have some common ground on right now! ...So anyway, the other bit of trivia for this one I want to share is that your favorite character, Sakurai, actually has Eitoku for his suit actor as Zeronos, so on a meta level, Sakurai contributing to a fight scene is another important step on Eitoku's journey to playing secondary Riders full-time, as he basically got a sort of test run here. Pretty neat! (Okay, I honestly would like to contribute proper opinions on the episode too, of course, but I'm legitimately finding it difficult to do much more right now than agree with the bits I agree with, and regurgitate the same extremely subjective point about my massively different read on Time Nonsense.)
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04-15-2021, 06:02 PM | #747 |
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(Okay, I honestly would like to contribute proper opinions on the episode too, of course, but I'm legitimately finding it difficult to do much more right now than agree with the bits I agree with, and regurgitate the same extremely subjective point about my massively different read on Time Nonsense.)
So, yeah, I don't blame you for not feeling like it's productive to engage too much. Totally fair!
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04-15-2021, 09:45 PM | #748 |
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man.
what if i stopped doing these so i didn't have to shit all over the end of a show people love. not going to, writing the new post now, but goddamn. maybe that's a thing worth thinking about.
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04-15-2021, 09:57 PM | #749 |
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I mean, I love Kamen Rider, but even think they tend to be pretty bad at landing a good ending. That's not what this franchise is good about. There are some exceptions, but most Kamen Rider shows are not Blade when it comes to the ending. They just tend to hastily wrap up the plot they've been too busy doing much more fun things to worry about, then call it a day.
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04-15-2021, 10:06 PM | #750 |
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 47 - "MY LAST MOMENTS MADE YOU CRY”
I really wish this episode worked for me. I wanted it to! So badly! I tried to connect with it. I tried to find something in it that I'd care about. I just... man, nothing in this one was clicking for me. Like, at all. My enthusiasm for this show was evaporating like Kintaros. It's the death/”death” of Kintaros, and the fact that I need to cite its alleged status is maybe a giveaway for why I couldn't muster up much regret about it. There's a sweetness on the surface of Kintaros' willingness to buy Ryotaro the chance to save Airi. Kintaros sends his friend off with the consolation that, since Imagin don't really get pasts or futures, Ryotaro's friendship gave Kintaros a present worth being proud of, worth fighting to protect. That's nice. I just, boy, I just didn't care about it. It's a sweet moment surrounded by an episode that feels... forced? There's very little flow to this one. There's an Owner/Station Master scene, and then some New Year's comedy with the DenLiner crew that telegraphs its story almost as much as putting it in the episode title, and then some New Year's comedy with the human cast, and then a dual-pronged assault by Kai that takes up the back half of the episode. It's not really an episode that uses different scenes to build and relieve pressure, to cut back and forth. It's just a bunch of comedy stuff and We Are In The Endgame winks, and then a Kai attack. It feels small, and dramatically insufficient. The Kintaros versus Kai's Imagin battle, it just felt too tiny to work for me. Having it all happen in some weird corner of a building was a not-great choice, but the problems end up being larger than the staging. (The staging is bad, though! Bad choice by the director!) It's his death because the show kind of arbitrarily decided that he was dying so he'll choose to die now. It's not out of character, or anything. Kintaros is the most self-sacrificing of the Imagin, and all of the DenLiner Imagin have been very clear about their intent to die on their own terms. It happening here, though, in this way... it felt like it was happening because it was Episode 47, not because this battle needed it or Kintaros couldn't last any longer. It felt rushed, and I couldn't buy into. That was pretty much the whole episode for me. Nothing in it mattered to me, or felt like it was here for a valid narrative reason. All of the New Year's stuff felt massively out of place in a final storyline, where the cast is celebrating renewal and new opportunities a day after sending Past Airi off to be... somethinged. (Salt in the wound, there's a scene with Ryotaro and Yuuto where they specifically say they don't understand what Airi and Sakurai were doing, and just sort of shrug their shoulders at it. I loved the Airi scene for her ignoring the mechanics of the plot, but these two don't have any excuses! They should be working to solve this problem!) I get that the show wants to do a One Last Day with all of our friends (Owner directly calls it out; not a subtle episode), but it killed all of the tension coming out of the last story, so that the eventual superhero action feels too sudden, too obligatory. Watching this episode was, by far, the most bizarre experience I've had watching Den-O. I could watch this episode, but I just could not care about it. I felt like Airi, where all of my memories of Den-O were gone, leaving me to stare blankly at its characters and situations. I was so ready to be excited about this episode, after 46. But this was just weightless to me, uninspired. Sorry I couldn't find anything in it to care about. Not a fun one to watch, this close to the end. THE BAGGAGE CAR -See you tomorrow!
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